Trucker's Convoy

Michael Hardner · January 30, 2022

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

but THAT bad at math?

I have too much faith in people I guess.

You're talking about the whole of the Canadian population now. It's actually ridiculous to expect them to be GOOD at math.

For comparison - please note that they print DO NOT EAT on silica packs that come in purchased electronics boxes.

Charles Anthony · January 30, 2022

Folks,

Avoid thread drift. Do not make me help any of you.

OftenWrong · January 30, 2022

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Did I say I didn't like it?

Protests are exercises in freedom.

Just funnin ya. You dont seem too happy.

OftenWrong · January 30, 2022

9 hours ago, sharkman said:

So it looks like the protest is spreading across Canada. Reports of most major cities experiencing rallies at their Provincial Legislature buildings. People with signs all over the place, spreading joy and solidarity. It’s great to see

There are reports of similar protests starting up in other countries.

-TSS- · January 30, 2022

Have the truckers already been called Putin's trolls? In Europe they certainly would. That is what you get called nowadays if you disagree with the government.

myata · January 30, 2022

Unchecked and practically unlimited bureaucratic overreach is a threat to democracy. What are the checks and limits, in practice? How do we, the citizens know that the measures are:

Necessary; effective; and proportional to the problem?

Some countries haven't had a single lockdown as yet and the pandemic may be approaching endemic stage. Were the drastic and unprecedented measures necessary and proportional? How effective were they (with yet another slew of all-time highs just reached)?

As the citizens, we have the right to have the answers. No, "we always know better" will not do. In a democracy, it isn't a valid answer.

Edited January 30, 2022 by myata

Michael Hardner · January 30, 2022

32 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Just funnin ya. You dont seem too happy.

I wish the machine of our democracy wasn't driven by spectacles, organized by Western separatists, in support of a minority of an industry lobby group... but hey - in an open society certain people know how to capture the public imagination and certain people don't.

Can I really be sad about that ? It's reality...

myata · January 30, 2022

I hear more is coming. A welcome sound of accountability. One way, any way independent institutional or ground level trucking way, but democracy cannot exist without accountability. It's one or the other, simple and binary.

Michael Hardner · January 30, 2022

14 minutes ago, myata said:

... democracy cannot exist without accountability. It's one or the other, simple and binary.

And yet people can post rumours and falsehoods without criticism from those who agree with their politics.

Accountability begins at home.

myata · January 30, 2022

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Accountability begins at home.

But of course. The essence of democracy is to make accountability and responsible government work, in daily reality, boring routine reality and pandemic reality, any reality. Not just copy over colonial master's handbook and hope it'll take care of everything, somehow.

Zeitgeist · January 30, 2022

2 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

I didn't say "entire", did I? I said "largely". There's a difference in meaning that natural English speakers would notice.

I see you refuse to condemn those with upside down Canadian flags, Stars and Bars, and even Nazi flags. Why is that? Pretending they aren't there or you agree with it?

Stop it. There were very few radical flags. The upside flag signifies distress.

BubberMiley · January 30, 2022

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Stop it. There were very few radical flags. The upside flag signifies distress.

It's heartening that 90% of Canadians think they are a total disgrace, but unnerving that so many would tolerate Nazi flags and March beside them.

Zeitgeist · January 30, 2022

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I wish the machine of our democracy wasn't driven by spectacles, organized by Western separatists, in support of a minority of an industry lobby group... but hey - in an open society certain people know how to capture the public imagination and certain people don't.

Can I really be sad about that ? It's reality...

I’m surprised and disappointed that you’re piling on against the protesters who clearly rely on posters like us to articulate their very valid frustrations. For God’s sake, the protest isn’t about whether or not vaccines can be a great protection against Covid. It’s about extreme and persistent government overreach that violates Charter freedoms and minority rights: freedom of movement, assembly, religion, speech, medical discretion, etc. When one of the constitution’s writers and Canada’s foremost intellectual are denouncing government measures as unconstitutional, we have damn good reason to be concerned. The convoy is trying to push back against totalitarianism, pure and simple. There’s simply no other way to put it.

Denouncing protesters as radical morons is a dangerous lie. Regular middle of the road working people and their children are trying to raise valid concerns about how much they have given up these last two years on government orders: socializing, sports, family gatherings, seeing each other’s faces, businesses collapsing, restrictions on movement and travel. How much longer can Trudeau and governments defend these measures?

sharkman · January 30, 2022

Folks, the left is experiencing fear as you can see by the posts in this thread, lashing out and such. Those of us who are the adults in the room will probably have to do some hand holding as they work through the steps from denial to acceptance of reality.

Its not going to be easy, but Canada needs you more than ever. Don’t stop believing!(old Journey song)

myata · January 30, 2022

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Denouncing protesters as radical morons is a dangerous lie.

And that's how well-meaning heart-bleeding liberals end up in totalitarian dictatorships if not checked and waken up to the reality at some point. The reason is simple; they always know best what's good for everybody else. Entitled to it, the best and absolute knowledge what's so hard to understand? And that means that anybody and everybody who doesn't want, wouldn't jump, cheer and cry for their benevolent rule is wrong by default and definition, something is wrong with them or about. It's not the matter of why, or if just just what.

Queenmandy85 · January 30, 2022

12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Bullying? You mean oppressive far-reaching restrictions and mandates that are a breach of our Charter rights?

I hear this a lot, but which charter right are we talking about?

We should never have allowed this issue to be politicized. It is not just the politicians who have used it for political advantage, it is all of us. Covid 19 is a virus. It is an organism without a brain and has no political agenda. It's only purpose is to repicate and thrive. Let's leave the decision making on Public Health up to the people who know what they are doing, or at least, know more than we do.

ironstone · January 30, 2022

This is not surprising coming from Jagmeet Singh. As mentioned above anytime the left get's nervous about any kind of pushback to their agenda they just play the racist card.

Jagmeet Singh faces backlash after accusing truckers of white supremacy | The Post Millennial

"You disgusting scumbag," said Indian Author Abhijit Iyer-Mitra. "You literally endorsed & supported the perpetrators & ideology of the biggest act of terrorism on Canadian Soil - Air India Flight 182. You’re the worst kind of ethno-religious supremacist there is."

I wonder if Jagmeet will want the police to crack down harshly on the protesters? Oh wait, I just remembered that he also hates law enforcement.

If there ever was any political leader in Canada that would actually be even worse than Justin Trudeau, it would be Jagmeet Singh.

blackbird · January 30, 2022

14 hours ago, West said:

Maybe just a small taste of what these folks have had to put up with for the past couple years? Maskers spitting on people, telling them they'll kill grandmothers, and being refused a table at a restaurant over a vaccine.

You forgot to mention that thousands of grandmothers and grandfathers have died by Covid in care homes. Sorry for the inconveniences Covid restrictions caused you. Couldn't eat in a restaurant because you wouldn't get the jab. Or had to put on a mask to go into a store. Terribly rough. So much suffering. Poor boy.

Edited January 30, 2022 by blackbird

OftenWrong · January 30, 2022

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I wish the machine of our democracy wasn't driven by spectacles, organized by Western separatists, in support of a minority of an industry lobby group... but hey - in an open society certain people know how to capture the public imagination and certain people don't.

Can I really be sad about that ? It's reality...

It's understandable but perhaps as always been thus. One voice cannot change the direction of a country. It takes large movements and that means, spectacles for the people to see. The more who get on board, the louder the voice is.

Really, it's democracy in action and it needs to be allowed, so I don't know what you're whining about.

Painful though these spectacles may be to those who are indentured to and have invested their political capital behind a leader now exposed as a divisive and mean-spirited coward. Those are not Canadian values.

Another view is, this has opened some kind of a door in society, tripped a switch, something larger than just truck mandates is behind this. Trucks are now merely a heroic symbol of freedom from larger aspects of government authoritarianism.

Maybe it's like the little dutch boy, who kept his finger in the dyke. That one weak point if allowed to open could lead to the complete collapse of the safety barrier. But by then it is inevitable, nothing can stop the outpouring of anger from a people, denied of their rights. Especially, hockey rights!

Meanwhile the Prime Minister and his family are in hiding in an undisclosed location.

OftenWrong · January 30, 2022

CBC coverage on the protest is extremely negative. Showing the Minister of Transportation long on a long rant about vaccine mandates.

One question stood out: Does the government intend to implement an inter-provincial vaccine mandate? The clear answer, after much rhetorical yammering and stammering: Yes it's in the works right now.

Now we know.

By the way, just because 90% of truckers are vaccinated does not mean they like it. What's at stake here is the requirement for CONTINUED UPKEEP of the vaccine schedule, which they would have signed onto in a new employment agreement. You want to work you have to not only be vaccinated, but accept any vaccines prescribed by some health authority. The people who decide these things on spur of the moment data.

There is no proposed vaccine schedule, it's a sliding door. Could be every year, could be be six months, three months, two. Point is they will have the right to decide for you to get these injections, not you.

Michael Hardner · January 30, 2022

20 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

1. It's understandable but perhaps as always been thus. One voice cannot change the direction of a country. It takes large movements and that means, spectacles for the people to see. The more who get on board, the louder the voice is. Really, it's democracy in action and it needs to be allowed, so I don't know what you're whining about.

2. Painful though these spectacles may be to those who are indentured to and have invested their political capital behind a leader ...

3. Another view is, this has opened some kind of a door in society, tripped a switch, something larger than just truck mandates is behind this. Trucks are now merely a heroic symbol of freedom from larger aspects of government authoritarianism.

4. Meanwhile the Prime Minister and his family are in hiding in an undisclosed location.

1. I think I said what I was whining about.
2. Mistaken to think political capital is invested in a 'leader' but rather in a democratic approach.
3. Authoritarianism - if we had this then there's no way that trucks would be allowed to drive around breaking the law with F*** Trudeau banners. Hysterical reactionism calls our way of live authoritarian, and it denigrates all the work it took to put this country together.
4. Well, yeah, they have been threatened and attacked before. Again, if it were authoritarian then the trucks would be flat under tank treads.

The event was a success, and like I say - popular dissent is an exercise in democracy, nothing to whine about there. Given the success if it it's kind of baffling why you continue to call our great nation an autocracy...

Michael Hardner · January 30, 2022

19 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

CBC coverage on the protest is extremely negative.

I want to show you how fair I am: I listened again to a report today and I concur that the coverage was very negative - one or two good points followed by half-a-dozen very negative points.

Zeitgeist · January 30, 2022

I can’t believe how backwards our federal government is. The US has lifted indoor mask mandates in all but 5 US states. Meanwhile we still have parts of Canada in lockdown. So sad what’s happened to Canada.