Moonbox Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 I think you have an overly optimistic view of how AI is going to affect politics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, Contrarian said: you will be surprised what it can be achieved, I'm open to it. Perhaps it sits at the nexus of the question of how it could help humanity. Do we need something brand new, which I presume would come from a human, or do we need a synthesis of current thinking ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Technocrats, professionals across different industries who are not necessarily political, can start using AI, @Moonbox, I know you don't use it, so not too sure why you judge a product before you tried it, however, technocrats can start using AI, different versions, they can even use AI to detect other AI trolls which are manipulating information, etc, and also come together for solutions and innovation. I have used it, (and I suspect long before you ever did). One of my best friends is also a Microsoft AI engineer and easily the wealthiest person I know. I'm not arguing against the usefulness of AI, but rather how it's going to be abused by the ultra-powerful. AI learning is very much a matter of resources and processing power, and the folks who control the means are going to be the ones that are going to have an advantage in everything. Robust rules and guidelines couldn't be more important, and we're already at a point where AI's are solving problems that humans never had before, and teaching people to do things that they really shouldn't. See: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/17/22983197/ai-new-possible-chemical-weapons-generative-models-vx On a lark, researchers asked the AI to come up with ideas for chemical weapons compounds, and in six hours they AI came up with 40,000 suggestions. 😐 Edited July 25 by Moonbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: In many ways the Marxist critique of class struggle underlying our problems holds up. It’s the resolution that’s problematic, as the oppressed seem to inevitably become the oppressors after the revolution. Democracy is the only way and we do need to maintain some order, but when governments insult protesters and paint them all with the same deplorable brush, freeze bank accounts, etc., you can’t expect everyone to go along to get along. I just hope the public turfs the current clowns out of office in the next election. We don’t have many options in terms of opposition. The most worrisome part in all of that is that our media was in lock step with our gov't's disinformation and fascist actions all the way. Aren't they supposed to be one of the key checks and balances protecting our democracy? Isn't that why they enjoy "freedom of the press"? They just saw one guy with golden socks and threw journalistic integrity right out the f'n window. "Normally we hate fascism, but I'd spend a month in that guy's gulag for telling the truth 😍 ." How is it possible that no one at CTV, CBC or Global News noticed that vax promises have back-peddled all the way from "the vaccines will be/are safe and effective: if you take the vaccine you don't have to worry, and you can't give covid to granny", to "the vax kills some people who are healthy enough that they didn't even need a vax if it worked, and tens of thousands of Canadians have died of covid after being multi-vaxed"? What we call a 'vax' now is such a watered-down version of what we were sold that we'd take that crap right back to Best Buy if we had bought it there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Did you use AI to write that? 😑 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Don't hate. Is Human-AI collaboration, some AI, human root though. You quoted me and provided a three-paragraph response that didn't even remotely touch on anything I'd just said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 4 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Did not remotely touch? I gave you arguments how AI can change politics, how technocrats can use it to bring forward ideas in politics and gain a stronger voice. No, because none of that had anything to do with my post, which concerned the dangers of AI being abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Everyone wants this, but in their own way and all too often in a way that gets in everyone else's. You don't, you vote for them and then defend them here online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 (edited) On 5/21/2023 at 12:44 PM, blackbird said: That post was a long time ago. I am not entirely against the convoy. I understand Trudeau was or is a kind of dictator. I am very much opposed to Trudeau's liberal ideology, globalism, and progressivism to begin with and I do sympathize with some of the protester's beliefs. The polling basically showed that most people felt that way - disagreed with the protest or what they were doing but had sympathy for their issues. The thing is - people need to understand that when you make peaceful revolution impossible you make violent revolution inevitable. Trudeau woudlnt' even acknowledge their concerns, he'd be referring to them as bigots and mysoginists and wastes of space that maybe shouldn't be tolerated. He refused to meet with them or look for compromises. He even refused to say what conditions would have to look like to reverse his position. It certainly appeared to be entirely punitive, they had no other avenues to plead their case, and then this happened. It was entirely avoidable, and it was entirely a result of his weaponizing vaccinations for political points. Edited July 25 by CdnFox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 6 minutes ago, Contrarian said: 1. You used it, daily? Or he just showed you a demo? I use both ChatGPT and Baird here for this hobby, other hobbies, etc, what was your exposure to this AI from the Microsoft AI engineer? 2. I disagree, AI in the free market is a revolutionary force driving innovation. We are already in the pockets of the ultra-powerful, on the media and political side. So why not let Big Tech have a try on your mind? It can't be worse than the brainwashing politicians and the media have done all these years on us. Are those convoy trucks diesel powered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: You don't, you vote for them and then defend them here online. Perhaps the caricature of me that your mind has created for you has but as for me, you've written me off as a liar - so how the hell would you ever know what I mean or say or tell you? The state of suspended disbelief you've chosen to exist in cripples your ability think straight about anything. I think Trudeau is the bestest PM in the whole world. You do disbelieve everything I say right? Edited July 25 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 2 hours ago, Contrarian said: 1. You used it, daily? Or he just showed you a demo? I use both ChatGPT and Bard here for this hobby, other hobbies, etc, what was your exposure to this AI from the Microsoft AI engineer? My friend works on teaching the AI. He doesn't show us anything, but he's explained how it learns to us (and a lot of it is just feeding it indescribable mountains of data). As for my use, other friends and I have run chat bots and image bots on telegram and discord etc for various channels/projects we've run in the crypto space. They are not nearly as sophisticated as you seem to think they are (yet). 2 hours ago, Contrarian said: 2. I disagree, AI in the free market is a revolutionary force driving innovation. We are already in the pockets of the ultra-powerful, on the media and political side. So why not let Big Tech have a try on your mind? It can't be worse than the brainwashing politicians and the media have done all these years on us. Have you ever tried actually having a debate with one of these chat bots? Do you understand how they learn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Perhaps the caricature of me that your mind has created for you has but as for me, you've written me off as a liar Perhaps you're just a liar Lots of others have commented on it as well over time as i note. And frankly it became pretty apperent when you went back and edited things you'd said after i pointed them out to try to look less stupid. Quote - so how the hell would you ever know what I mean or say or tell you? Because you're not very good at it. And it's not that hard to tell when you're lying. Also - nobody cares about what you say or think at the best of times so its not like it matters. You're not thought of as an insightful person around here - you're the comic relief. Quote The state of suspended disbelief you've chosen to exist in cripples your ability think straight about anything. Nope, it's pretty easy. Quote I think Trudeau is the bestest PM in the whole world. You do disbelieve everything I say right? Nope - but as a low intellect leftie i can see how you'd equate knowing someone is a frequent liar to blindly disbelieving everything they say. A child WOULD think like that, and so would childish people. But no, that's not how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legato Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 2 hours ago, eyeball said: I think Trudeau is the bestest PM in the whole world. You do disbelieve everything I say right? Well yes he most certainly is. But wish it was was. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Perhaps you're just a liar Lots of others have commented on it as well over time as i note. Cite. Plural that is...lots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 3 hours ago, eyeball said: I think Trudeau is the bestest PM in the whole world. You do disbelieve everything I say right? You may have been telling the truth there. You have got that sarcastic tone again, like your doing it on purpose. Double-whammy... ==== Ain't it funny how no one will fess up to being a Trudeau supporter, yet the man was re-elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 49 minutes ago, Contrarian said: 1. Yes, this is why the communists in China are hoping their surveillance and strict control of the population can provide them enough data to pass the US, they wish this, in the long run. Is easy for them to pass laws for authoritarian purposes like data collection, there is no ACLU there. 2. AI is a rapidly evolving field. 3. Debate, like a political debate? Not really, my aim is to scan information, summarize data so I can read it quickly, and provide answers quickly instead of wasting time, also grammar works great, so maybe you have a point that because it worked so well for me, I have BIAS. I am learning so many of these political terms, processes, and legislation, so fast, of course, I check them with other sources, I am not a blind follower, it made me do this hobby, and is nothing better but to enjoy a hobby. Also, for folks using it, do check your information, especially when it provides a link, and don't be like this lawyer: The truckers convoy showed Canada what a weak coward Justin Trudeau is . . . . perhaps a good topic/thread? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Perhaps you're just a liar Lots of others have commented on it as well over time as i note. And frankly it became pretty apperent when you went back and edited things you'd said after i pointed them out to try to look less stupid. Because you're not very good at it. And it's not that hard to tell when you're lying. Also - nobody cares about what you say or think at the best of times so its not like it matters. You're not thought of as an insightful person around here - you're the comic relief. Nope, it's pretty easy. Nope - but as a low intellect leftie i can see how you'd equate knowing someone is a frequent liar to blindly disbelieving everything they say. A child WOULD think like that, and so would childish people. But no, that's not how it works. When I see monkeys flinging poop at the zoo I don't get involved. I don't read/respond to posts from eyeball, exflyer, moonbox, etc either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Yeah, I've had my ass kicked by eyeball, exflyer, moonbox etc too. Didn't CdnFox lay a couple beatings on you too? And look at you guys now getting along like peas and carrots. What's that all about anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 28 minutes ago, Contrarian said: I can agree that passing the Emergency Act and running in the arms of your ideologues in your team, the comfort of folks that think just like him, is a sign of weakness. So, why don't you start it? how under pressure Trudeau ran towards polarization instead of reaching out to reasonable folks in this convoy and have a conversation? Instead he focused on Pat King and fringe elements making the issue bigger. Then the media ran pictures with 1 controversial flag making the issue even bigger. So, yes, weakness under pressure, agreement there. AI is so much more important/relevant in this 'Trucker's Convoy' thread. It's quite generous of you to demonstrate your Artificial Intelligence with your every post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 6 minutes ago, Contrarian said: So, now, your response is to manipulate quotes? I think changing someone's quotes is below the belt regardless of whom he is. Please, brother. What on Earth are you talking about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 1 minute ago, Contrarian said: Changing of the quote of the covid-19 conspiracy troll to: Yeah, I've had my ass kicked by eyeball, exflyer, moonbox etc too. That's a fake quote to gain the upperhand. Nothing personal, fight with honour is my preaching. It's a joke not a fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Cite. Plural that is...lots. Oh everyone knows it, including you. It's pretty chronic. Sorry kiddo. You've built a reputation for yourself. You don't need to cite common knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 Just now, CdnFox said: Oh everyone knows it, including you. It's pretty chronic. Sorry kiddo. You've built a reputation for yourself. You don't need to cite common knowledge Liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, eyeball said: It's a joke not a fight. It's actually pretty common for you, and often you try to pass it as a joke when you get called on it - but it's not. And if pressured you go back and erase it and lie about it ever being there. It's what you do. Just now, eyeball said: Liar. Sure kid I'm more than happy to let our respective reps stand for themselves LOLOL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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