Michael Hardner

1. What? Why are you on a web forum if you can never be convinced of anything in this regard? This is a forum for discussion, not pushing an agenda. 2. Pushed? But there's a public forum in each democratic country where there's lots of pushback. So essentially you're against the ideas. But you also say that you're not going to accept them, you'll never be convinced. Hard to square all of that with your assessment of fascism. 3. Embedded in this is the possibility that a public can be convinced. Which wouldn't happen if we were in a fascist authoritarian state. Your claims don't align, sorry. You admit that you're closed minded on these topics, then accuse open democracies of shutting down opposition. Please just address that meta point this time if you reply. I don't want you to waste your time with another long post restating your opinions.

As I pointed out, the environmental programs are happening across the West more than in China even and certainly not places like Russia and North Korea. You're confusing ideas and practices that are discussed in the public sphere, with fascist ideas that are pushed down on people who do not have electoral or human rights. I don't think I can convince you anyway.

1. That one should be easy for you to cite. Just post budgets from 2016-2021. 2. You're letting your personal feelings get in the way of analysis. I can accept the assertion of bias but not exaggerated claims. 3. You didn't mention the economy. You don't think that that is a factor? 4. And you actually think that CBC (and CTV) have that kind of influence? No, you're wrong there. 5. It won't happen in Quebec and the North. Radio is still viable and hugely popular in Toronto, other parts of Canada. I don't want either one of us to waste time on this. I asked you for a few cites, let's see where that goes.

The next step of this would be for me to find a link where they actually did talk about the story or didn't. So you're saying that WE was in the news and CBC didn't mention it? Or SNC Lavalin during that election? That would be pretty good evidence of them being grossly unfair. Is that your claim? And if I found evidence otherwise, you would retract this claim and say you were wrong?

Where did you get that number? It's a fraction of their annual budget. Your last sentence is a gross exaggeration. You're going to need some parts of the CBC, even Poilievre is saying so. I stand by my assertion that their biases are less extreme than most on here say. According to insiders they're very aware of this part of their reputation.

1. True enough. I left that out on purpose. Nothing to do with with the context that you mentioned which doesn't apply anyway because corporate alignment isn't even the key part. The rest of your post is about climate policy... Which is a tangent. I would say climate policy has a good level of support which is why democracys are acting on it. But it's a drift in the best case...

I mean they ARE liberal. They're not 'left wing' but they're liberal. We need to come up with a framework that perhaps separates the classical terms from the current context. liberal = believes in freedom of expression and enterprise Right Wing = long term belief in business rights, individual rights, law and order, nationalism Left Wing = belief in unions, social contract, collective rights Marxist = an adherent of Karl Marx's philsophies Fascist = an adherent of strong police state totalitarianism Now need terms to explain today's drifting ideologies and stay away from MAGA, Chud, Globalist, Woke ... Populist seems to fit. But I can't think of any more

Are you saying that we don't need "news" ? It's an interesting point, if so. I'm not sure how I would approach that position. I'd have to think on that.

Well, news has always been a loss leader so... you can see what is happening with it now. Nobody really wants it - and I know "nobody" is overstating it. My point is that a major building block of rational policy since the early 20th century, a bridge between government and the public will be lost. The last time we were in that state we didn't have universal suffrage I would guess.

Keep in mind though that "stamping out" means not streaming THAT Disney movie but only streaming THE OTHER Disney movie. This is what amounts to revolution in consumer culture with kids today

I agree with you about what constitutes bias. My beef is simply with the word cheerleading

I can't add to any conversation that tries to submit that everybody is left.. or everybody is right. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmedia_Network Post media owns 90% of Canadian daily papers, and is itself 66% owned by a company close to the Republican party. If you don't agree with some opinion they expressed, or don't find it right leaning enough, it doesn't mean that Canadian newspapers are left wing overall. And to say there's a radical bias in MSM, meaning electronic and press media, that would mean they are promoting radical leftism... Leftism... Which necessarily includes nationalization of businesses. It doesn't make sense to use absolute terms like radical left, but to actually be referring to your point of view. Marxist s do the same thing when they say everything is right-wing because it promotes private ownership. There's just no way to pin a public discussion when we're talking about definitions that's in one person's head, versus public definitions

1. I don't see it. Also again we're talking about the written press, which is almost all conservative and or right wing.. 2. Leaving politics out of it, we are in unfortunate position where nobody wants to pay for news anymore and yet it's an essential service. The Liberals are coming up with a not very imaginative solution. The Conservative leader may be considering just having his own party provide news content. In which case the Liberals and NDP would do the same, and we would be back to late 19th century American media model. 3. Not sure who they is in this context. The big social media Giants are so huge that they barely care about Canada. CBC, television and radio are different animals, Canadian Network and niche television are different too. It's complex a landscape... All we will know is that any one of them will except a government payoff, especially if the National Post does.

Yeah, Truman was President before Nixon was VP. Marxism is dead and I'm not in favour of reviving it as a contemporary bogeyman... Wokism, culture war, etc. etc. we've already talked that to death. Nothing more to add. Hopefully I explained why Trump can be seen as classically right-wing. Have a great day yourself...

Well it IS liberal biased to the same degree that University graduates vote leftish from what I have seen. Ideology will come through in the reporting... and that is indeed small l liberal at least.