Trucker's Convoy

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

You people use language the way the nuttiest Marxists and leftists if the 70s did ?.

So...

 

'Forced vaccination' is now defined as 'you are not allowed in Chuck E. Cheese'..

 

No wonder mainstream Canadians are getting sick of these zealots...

 

Please find someone who will agree to consume WestCanEnglish... I use the real English

Get real.  For some people travel is a necessity.  Vaccine passports for children to travel and enjoy basic freedoms is fascist.  

[Queenmandy85]

13 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Get real.  For some people travel is a necessity.  Vaccine passports for children to travel and enjoy basic freedoms is fascist.  

So, you wouldn't vaccinate your child against diptheria, polio, covid-19,influenza or rubella to protect them? To travel to many countries, you need to get your shots.

Edited January 30, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So, you wouldn't vaccinate your child against diptheria, polio, covid-19,influenza or rubella to protect them? To travel to many countries, you need to get your shots.

False equivalence.  First of all, I don’t have to present my immunization records to eat in a restaurant or travel by plane or train from London, Ontario to Ottawa.  The C-19 vaccines offer some protection and there is no decisive science on their value in very young children.  For many months we were told most unvaccinated kids are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms.  Some countries aren’t supporting the vaccination of children in their public health policies.  How many vaccines would you have required on kids’ passports and how frequently would they need to get them?

This is slavery to public health puritanism that isn’t even on solid scientific ground.  It’s unethical.  I actually can’t believe that this wasn’t at the core of a Charter challenge, but I think many challenges are coming.  What a mess.

I will tell you this, federal and provincial governments, law suits are coming.  Your governments and you personally will share in the liability.  

Edited January 30, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[WestCanMan]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You people use language the way the nuttiest Marxists and leftists if the 70s did ?.

So...

 

'Forced vaccination' is now defined as 'you are not allowed in Chuck E. Cheese'..

 

Being shut out from society is actually a serious thing. If you shut people out because of their skin colour or religion you'd understand, but you are vaxed so you think that this is ok. 

It's not just Chuck E Cheese, it's life.

My son was invited to play in a baseball tournament in Las Vegas this winter and we had to say no because he wasn't vaxed. It's a very big deal. 

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No wonder mainstream Canadians are getting sick of these zealots...

 

Please find someone who will agree to consume WestCanEnglish... I use the real English

Please grow up, and learn to speak like an adult. 

[Queenmandy85]

2 minutes ago, West said:

Not if said vaccine posed a greater risk to my child than the virus itself. 

You are mis-informed. The vaccine is far safer than the virus.

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So, you wouldn't vaccinate your child against diptheria, polio, covid-19,influenza or rubella to protect them? To travel to many countries, you need to get your shots.

You used the word vaccinate correctly in that sentence, because you referred to actual vaccinations. IE, shots that give immunity to a disease.

The covid shots don't give immunity at all, they only give slim to moderate protection. 

You're also comparing covid, which killed 20 kids in two years, after 10M Canadian kids were exposed to it, to disease with very high mortality rates.

You might as well be comparing the need for seatbelts in a dragster with the need for seatbelts on a big wheel tricycle. 

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Being shut out from society is actually a serious thing. If you shut people out because of their skin colour or religion you'd understand, but you are vaxed so you think that this is ok. 

It's not just Chuck E Cheese, it's life.

My son was invited to play in a baseball tournament in Las Vegas this winter and we had to say no because he wasn't vaxed. It's a very big deal. 

Please grow up, and learn to speak like an adult. 

Yes and this is the blindness of our zealous governments.  They have a list of requirements that people who were born here with citizenship now have to meet in order to enjoy the rights of citizenship.  You must carry a vaccine passport with mandatory shots to live freely.  What’s more, as an unvaccinated person you will be vilified and mistreated.  Instead of racial purity it’s public health purity that our government is pushing at all costs.  Our Charter protections are routinely ignored.  

[EastCanada90]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You used the word vaccinate correctly in that sentence, because you referred to actual vaccinations. IE, shots that give immunity to a disease.

The covid shots don't give immunity at all, they only give slim to moderate protection. 

You're also comparing covid, which killed 20 kids in two years, after 10M Canadian kids were exposed to it, to disease with very high mortality rates.

You might as well be comparing the need for seatbelts in a dragster with the need for seatbelts on a big wheel tricycle. 

 

they help you by giving you a higher chance to stay out of hospital which is good enough reason to take it so go get vaxed.

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are mis-informed. The vaccine is far safer than the virus.

No one is keeping you from getting a vaccine.  You are coerced into having all family members except infants vaccinated.

I’m triple-vaxed by the way.  My concern is entirely about medical discretion and other critical civil rights that are currently being violated.

Edited January 30, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[sharkman]

You probably heard that our beloved PM went into hiding at an undisclosed location.  Well apparently he has also taken the cagey move of disguising his appearance.  I know I never would have guessed it’s him.

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

as an unvaccinated person you will be vilified 

By the rhetoric of our PM, no less. 

"Unvaxed people are very often racists and misogynists, they're taking up space, and we need to think about whether or not to tolerate them." 

What a piece of shit he is. 

The MSM likes to ignore the fact that Trudeau's own comments are a big part of the reason that so many people are involved in the convoy. For sure people are mentioning it when they're interviewed, but those comments will never see the light of day on Global, CTV and CTV. Those guys are just fishing for the weakest comments they can find. 

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, EastCanada90 said:

 

they help you by giving you a higher chance to stay out of hospital which is good enough reason to take it so go get vaxed.

You just used the word 'vaxed' incorrectly. At best it's 'slightly boosted'. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

You made your point - now time to go home.

It was one thing to oppose vaccine mandate but it is another thing to oppose mask mandate. crowd of protesters entering shopping malls and restaurants in downtown Ottawa refusing to wear masks overwhelming the security people by their huge numbers unable to enforce the rules. This is unacceptable. Refusing to wear masks endangers everyone including innocent bystanders.

Edited January 30, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

By the rhetoric of our PM, no less. 

"Unvaxed people are very often racists and misogynists, they're taking up space, and we need to think about whether or not to tolerate them." 

What a piece of shit he is. 

The MSM likes to ignore the fact that Trudeau's own comments are a big part of the reason that so many people are involved in the convoy. For sure people are mentioning it when they're interviewed, but those comments will never see the light of day on Global, CTV and CTV. Those guys are just fishing for the weakest comments they can find. 

Yeah he’s a phoney.  Flowery language coupled with totalitarian policies.  Discredit the opposition and hide when the going gets tough.  

[Winston]

 

54 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

'Forced vaccination' is now defined as 'you are not allowed in Chuck E. Cheese'..

The entire argument has nothing to do with vaccinations, it has everything to do individual consent. Threating the individual in order to get the desired response is not consent. Do we not care about an individual consent anymore? Should consent no longer be an ethical position we hold?

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You made your point - now time to go home.

It was one thing to oppose vaccine mandate but it is another thing to oppose mask mandate. crowd of protesters entering shopping malls and restaurants in downtown Ottawa refusing to wear masks overwhelming the security people by their huge numbers unable to enforce the rules. This is unacceptable. 

Almost all US states have ended mask mandates indoors.  You’re just so used to them.  Normalization of restrictions.  Mask mandates should be abolished immediately.  

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, West said:

Not in children. More at risk of myocarditis from the vaccine. 

The point is, if there’s any substantive question about their value for children, they should NOT be mandatory.  Of course!!!   Why do people now think this is even a question?  What the hell happened to Charter protections?

[West]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

The point is, if there’s any substantive question about their value for children, they should NOT be mandatory.  Of course!!!   Why do people now think this is even a question?  What the hell happened to Charter protections?

Dr. Christian, a physician in Saskatoon for more than 20 years, was fired for saying this exact thing. 

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, West said:

Dr. Christian, a physician in Saskatoon for more than 20 years, was fired for saying this exact thing. 

Yup, people losing their jobs over reasonable concerns.  This is what we’ve come to in Canada.  Incredible.

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Winston said:

 

The entire argument has nothing to do with vaccinations, it has everything to do individual consent. Threating the individual in order to get the desired response is not consent. Do we not care about an individual consent anymore? Should consent no longer be an ethical position we hold?

At the beginning of the pandemic, when there was only covid in China, we were told that "H2H transmission isn't occurring" and not to wear masks, not to block travel from China. Our MSM supported all of that and acted like Trump was a loser for going against them, and then when the facts came out on Trump's side the apologies never followed. 

A week after they shut down the airports here the assaults on our own freedoms started. We weren't even allowed to walk outside in provincial parks in BC at first, then schools were closed, gyms and restaurants were closed, now there are vaccine mandates and blatant hate mongering against the unvaxed.

Covid has been a mismanaged debacle from the very start and the contradictions are endless but the one thing that has been consistent from the start is that we have always been railroaded towards vaccines as the only possible treatment. 

Everything else was declared "dangerous and ineffective" before it was even tried, and the vaccines were always considered to safe and effective, both before they went through trials and after people started suffering extremely serious side effects. 

Our government believes that they can lie to us over and over and still expect us to believe them. Sorry Mr Trudeau but we're not all lefmmings.

[Winston]

5 minutes ago, West said:

What matters now is liberal feelings. Even if something clearly doesn't work what matters is their virtue signaling. 

I would leave political ideologies aside. 

Focus on the major issue, do we wish to loose the idea consent? In the real sense, is extortion okay?

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Almost all US states have ended mask mandates indoors.  You’re just so used to them.  Normalization of restrictions.  Mask mandates should be abolished immediately.  

There are 5000 new Covid cases in Ontario alone and over 300 Covid related deaths every day and this is a total underestimate. The true number is likely 3 times that much. With numbers so high it is not time to end mask mandates. It is generally viewed masks especially N95 would significantly protect transmission of the respiratory illnesses. Removing mask mandate would be a disaster now.  American had also had close to a million deaths. I don't wish same for Canada.

Edited January 30, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

You didn't say "asymptomatic." You said "unhealthy." You were more accurate before you backtracked. Vaccinated would be more likely to self-deal because they'd feel they could and as you pointed out even if that's not the case the numbers would demand it. Also, as I understand the asymptomatic versus argument can ask where the line starts of symptoms appearing or not yet still being contagious. Then there's the 2 weeks after the jab were you're jabbed but listed as unjabbed. Wouldn't your "easy math" still apply?

I referred to unhealthy people in the sense that people with co-morbidity still need to live their lives and be able to do stuff, too, but unvaccinated people make it more dangerous to do so.  There was no back-tracking.  You're making up my arguments and points for me as you see fit.  

The 2 weeks period for after-jab is supposedly because you're not protected (properly) until the period is up.  If that's the case, how does that change the math?  

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Get it yet, or would you like to use the next few pages having it explained to you? How about you Mikey the math whiz? Need some more help? You guys are much more likely to infect us.

Sure.  You're more likely to come in contact with vaccinated people than non-vaccinated people, considering they're 90% of the population.  Thank you for that brilliant insight.  You're still more likely to get infected and to infect others without the dose, especially if you're hanging out with a bunch of other unvaccinated people.  This is what Michael was talking about when he questioned general math skills.  You're so off target with this reasoning it's hard to even begin to correct you.  

[Winston]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

At the beginning of the pandemic, when there was only covid in China, we were told that "H2H transmission isn't occurring" and not to wear masks, not to block travel from China. Our MSM supported all of that and acted like Trump was a loser for going against them, and then when the facts came out on Trump's side the apologies never followed. 

A week after they shut down the airports here the assaults on our own freedoms started. We weren't even allowed to walk outside in provincial parks in BC at first, then schools were closed, gyms and restaurants were closed, now there are vaccine mandates and blatant hate mongering against the unvaxed.

Covid has been a mismanaged debacle from the very start and the contradictions are endless but the one thing that has been consistent from the start is that we have always been railroaded towards vaccines as the only possible treatment. 

Everything else was declared "dangerous and ineffective" before it was even tried, and the vaccines were always considered to safe and effective, both before they went through trials and after people started suffering extremely serious side effects. 

Our government believes that they can lie to us over and over and still expect us to believe them. Sorry Mr Trudeau but we're not all lefmmings.

If I may suggest, simplify the argument. We can talk about all the other issues, but the argument becomes blurry. Leave political, racial or class systems aside. 

What is the exact issue? Pick only one point and move forward. What is the primary problem with the mandates? Only one major point. 

If we want to solve the mandates, please pinpoint and focus on one objective at a time. 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

And if 5 times as many people are walking around feeling confident with borderline or noticeable but mild conditions, we of the numerical minority who won't comply with authoritarian rule are 5 times as likely to get it from you Covid Mary's as we are from each other. It's easy math.

We need vaccine passports to keep you safe by keeping you away from places where you can become infected.