Trump shot at his own rally

[Deluge]

4 hours ago, cougar said:

It was a gun loving republican who shot him!

If they had put him in jail where he belongs, he was going to be better protected.

Wrong. 

It was a registered Republican who donated to at least one democrat cause. That tells us that deep down he was a democrat but didn't take the time to officially register as a democrat. Clearly he was too busy plotting the assassination after being influenced by Biden's and the media's anti-Trump rhetoric. 

[User]

13 hours ago, Hodad said:

"Everything" isn't. But a coup certainly is. 

What coup? How would that work?

You can't explain that. 

 

[impartialobserver]

I have yet to read anything that clearly proves the shooter's motives. 

 

[Nationalist]

17 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I have yet to read anything that clearly proves the shooter's motives. 

 

Ya that and a number of other inconsistencies are beginning to bother me.

They say they have the guy's cell and computer, but know nothing from them?

People were telling police about the guy with a gun on the roof well before the shooting, but nobody did anything.

This is starting to smell like rotten fish.

[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya that and a number of other inconsistencies are beginning to bother me.

They say they have the guy's cell and computer, but know nothing from them?

People were telling police about the guy with a gun on the roof well before the shooting, but nobody did anything.

This is starting to smell like rotten fish.

I hate to tell you but when you take  a suspect's phone and computer into custody.. you do not get a press release giving the full details of those item in a few days. Some of it is the time it takes to sift through all of the clutter (real or digital) in a person's life and then the bureaucratic food chain. It is extremely unlikely that he wrote some simple manifesto that laid out when he was going to do it, how he was going to do it, and why. The bread crumbs do not always lead in a straight line. I do fraud investigation and why someone chooses to be fraudulent sometimes can take a few days/weeks. 

 

After Stephen Paddock's rampage in Las Vegas.. the conspiracy theorists came out by the truckload. In the weeks to come.. it was found to not be nearly all that interesting. He was apolitical, nonreligious, and just simply an A-hole. The same people were getting suspicious when 3 days after it.. we did not have the entire story out in the open. 

Edited July 16 by impartialobserver

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, cougar said:

It was a gun loving republican who shot him!

If they had put him in jail where he belongs, he was going to be better protected.

Nope - donated money to biden's pac. Democrat. 

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, Deluge said:

Wrong. 

It was a registered Republican who donated to at least one democrat cause. That tells us that deep down he was a democrat but didn't take the time to officially register as a democrat. Clearly he was too busy plotting the assassination after being influenced by Biden's and the media's anti-Trump rhetoric. 

Exactly.

If I was planning to assassinate someone in a political party I wouldn't openly identify myself as being against them, because that would limit your proximity to them. 

If you join their party then you get more access, plain and simple. 

Would an assassin rather be serving beverages at an event where there intended victim was showing up, or be banned from the premises like everyone else who wasn't a member?

Clearly that kid was motivated, because he put his life on the line for what he believed. He must have known that he only had a small chance of surviving. I think he was on the path to that spot for years: it wasn't spur of the moment.   

[WestCanMan]

29 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I hate to tell you but when you take  a suspect's phone and computer into custody.. you do not get a press release giving the full details of those item in a few days.

It depends.

The recent pattern shows that when it's a conservative there's a race to get the lurid details of their social media & personal notes out, but when a trans shooter goes to a HS and shoots a bunch of people or a muslim drives over 20 people with a van, the details of their social media, etc, never gets released. There's just one tidy statement from the family's lawyer and that's it.

Don't forget - the FBI is in charge of this investigation now: no roads will lead to the Dems or MSM. The shooter could have a video montage of 1,000 clips showing "Trump is Hitler, Trump is evil..." from CNN, MSNBC, Joe & Jill, etc, and the FBI could figure out that he has watched it 10,000 times... we'll never hear about it if that's the case.

If the situation was reversed, the FBI would be tripping over themselves in their haste to get the details out. "THIS GUY WAS A MAGA CONSPIRACIST!!! HE CLICKED 'LIKE' ON TWELVE TRUMP TWEETS BETWEEN 2019 AND 2024!"

[CouchPotato]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nope - donated money to biden's pac. Democrat. 

 

It's quite possible he registered as a Republican to vote against Trump in the primaries. Still though, I think it's probably wise at this point for either side to avoid this game of trying to turn him into a rabid leftist or a gun-toting republican. He may just have been a guy who is not all there. Sometimes people like that are a mixed bag.

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

It depends.

The recent pattern shows that when it's a conservative there's a race to get the lurid details of their social media & personal notes out, but when a trans shooter goes to a HS and shoots a bunch of people or a muslim drives over 20 people with a van, the details of their social media, etc, never gets released. There's just one tidy statement from the family's lawyer and that's it.

Don't forget - the FBI is in charge of this investigation now: no roads will lead to the Dems or MSM. The shooter could have a video montage of 1,000 clips showing "Trump is Hitler, Trump is evil..." from CNN, MSNBC, Joe & Jill, etc, and the FBI could figure out that he has watched it 10,000 times... we'll never hear about it if that's the case.

If the situation was reversed, the FBI would be tripping over themselves in their haste to get the details out. "THIS GUY WAS A MAGA CONSPIRACIST!!! HE CLICKED 'LIKE' ON TWELVE TRUMP TWEETS BETWEEN 2019 AND 2024!"

I guess.. we shall see. Stories like this take time. The shooting was on Sunday, July 15 and today is only tuesday, July 17.. seems like you want a full documentary that lays out every detail out on Netflix already. 

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I guess.. we shall see. Stories like this take time. The shooting was on Sunday, July 15 and today is only tuesday, July 17.. seems like you want a full documentary that lays out every detail out on Netflix already. 

True.  It always takes time for all the facts to come out. Everything's a mess for the first week or so 

[Boges]

False Flag! 

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

I have yet to read anything that clearly proves the shooter's motives. 

 

He did post a video stating his hatred of both Trump & Republicans.  Maybe that's it?

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

He did post a video stating his hatred of both Trump & Republicans.  Maybe that's it?

Did his video echo any of the over-the-top rhetoric from Joe, Jill, Madcow and co?

[sharkman]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

I guess.. we shall see. Stories like this take time. The shooting was on Sunday, July 15 and today is only tuesday, July 17.. seems like you want a full documentary that lays out every detail out on Netflix already. 

Well, here’s what we know at this point.  There was a counter sniper team on the roof of the building behind the stage.  This two man Swat team, a Pennsylvania State or city force, watched Crooks as he crawled across the other building roof and into position.  They never fired on him as he settled into position and took aim.  Their public statement is that their Swat rules of engagement are to never fire until fired upon.  

But I’m pretty sure they would have reported the appearance of a sniper to their superiors.  The question is, what did their superiors do with this info? If they didn’t pass it along to the Secret Service, then they are guilty of the murder of the innocent bystander.

If they did report it, but the Secret Service didn’t act on it by immediately removing Trump, then the Secret Service are guilty of all kinds of negligence at the least.

Its clear that Trump was not moved prior to the shooting.  So  either the Swat team, or their superiors, or the Secret Service were at fault for that.  Because Maga crowd goers started reporting a guy crawling across the roof a full 20 minutes before the shooting started.

The question is not what Crooks’ motives were, but the State or city Swat member motives(or their superiors) for not reporting a clear and present threat to the Secret Service.

I just can’t see the Secret Service leaving Trump in harm’s way if they were told of a nearby sniper.  But I could be wrong about that.

 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

He did post a video stating his hatred of both Trump & Republicans.  Maybe that's it?

Goddess...I smell a rat. Now we here that Iran had assassination plans. https://www.wilx.com/2024/07/16/iran-threat-prompted-increased-protection-trump-saturday-attack-appears-unrelated-officials-say/

Please...

I hope I'm wrong but...over the last decade, I've learned I have to do some reading between the lines...if you will.

I don't think Iran actually convinced some lonely kid to go down in infamy, more I smell a cover-story. One of two things have to be true.

1. The Secret Service is incompetent.

2. Someone decided that rooftop was out of bounds...for some reason. Held communications back so there could be no advance actions taken on the day of the shooting.

Do I believe the SS is incompetent? Meh...short tubby women who can't find their holster in a crisis? I think the point is, those shots should never have happened in the first place.

Again...I do hope I'm wrong but...

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

I hate to tell you but when you take  a suspect's phone and computer into custody.. you do not get a press release giving the full details of those item in a few days. Some of it is the time it takes to sift through all of the clutter (real or digital) in a person's life and then the bureaucratic food chain. It is extremely unlikely that he wrote some simple manifesto that laid out when he was going to do it, how he was going to do it, and why. The bread crumbs do not always lead in a straight line. I do fraud investigation and why someone chooses to be fraudulent sometimes can take a few days/weeks. 

 

After Stephen Paddock's rampage in Las Vegas.. the conspiracy theorists came out by the truckload. In the weeks to come.. it was found to not be nearly all that interesting. He was apolitical, nonreligious, and just simply an A-hole. The same people were getting suspicious when 3 days after it.. we did not have the entire story out in the open. 

Ya I know all this. There's something odd about this though. That rooftop had a clear line of sight...perhaps the best line of sight...to the stage. The police...at very least...had been notified about Crooks on the roof 20 minutes beforehand. The reaction is a local cop peers over the edge, has a gun pointed at him, descends and the shots ring? There were cops IN the building at the time? Something strange about this...

It sounds like putting a square peg in a round hole. Now we hear about an Iranian plot? Hmmm...

[cougar]

11 hours ago, Deluge said:

Wrong. 

It was a registered Republican who donated to at least one democrat cause. That tells us that deep down he was a democrat but didn't take the time to officially register as a democrat. Clearly he was too busy plotting the assassination after being influenced by Biden's and the media's anti-Trump rhetoric. 

Or it was someone who was neither a republican nor a democrat.  Someone who wanted to prevent Americans from electing a convicted criminal for a president?

Whatever.  I am happy he was not successful.    I do not want to see Trump go down like some sort of a fallen hero who fought for American people.   I want to see him go to jail , disgraced and exposed for what he is.

 

Edited July 16 by cougar

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, cougar said:

Or it was someone who was neither a republican nor a democrat.  Someone who wanted to prevent Americans from electing a convicted criminal for a president?

It was a democrat supporter. 

And if he killed someone because of their background then that would be because the dems have been saying he's satan and hilter's love child and the world will end if he's elected. it's the dems who've been stoking those flames. 

[herbie]

Not surprised watching all his former critics bend the knee and repeat his lies swearing their Oath of Fealty to the Overlord at the Coronation while "the importance of unity" seeps out the corners of their mouths.

More like the POP, Party of Pussies than Grand Old anything

[User]

9 hours ago, herbie said:

Not surprised watching all his former critics bend the knee and repeat his lies swearing their Oath of Fealty to the Overlord at the Coronation while "the importance of unity" seeps out the corners of their mouths.

More like the POP, Party of Pussies than Grand Old anything

So, it's pretty much politics every election cycle. Heated primaries turn into support for the eventual nominee. 

The only issue here is that you only seem to care about this because it is Trump while ignoring that Democrats do this too. 

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

It's quite possible he registered as a Republican to vote against Trump in the primaries. 

That's possible, but seeing as he tried to kill the GOP presidential candidate, I think it's highly likely that this guy identified as an assassin for some time. Being on the inside of the GOP would just give him more info and more access. 

The idea of killing Trump became glamorous and cool among leftists when he was in middle school.

Apparently he was bullied in school, so maybe he also identified his bullies as Trump supporters. 

If that's the case, then he was motivated by the perceived glory of killing and Trump plus the added bonus of getting back at his bullies at the same time. 

[User]

30 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's possible, but seeing as he tried to kill the GOP presidential candidate, I think it's highly likely that this guy identified as an assassin for some time. Being on the inside of the GOP would just give him more info and more access. 

The idea of killing Trump became glamorous and cool among leftists when he was in middle school.

Apparently he was bullied in school, so maybe he also identified his bullies as Trump supporters. 

If that's the case, then he was motivated by the perceived glory of killing and Trump plus the added bonus of getting back at his bullies at the same time. 

Well... the other thought here is that you can be a registered Republican and hate Trump. 

There are plenty of Never Trump Republicans who despise him, many that did flip to being Democrats too. He might have been registered Republican for any number of reasons that make sense... 

This is why I asked who does he support and what does he support, and what we do know is that he gave money to the left. 

 

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, cougar said:

Or it was someone who was neither a republican nor a democrat.  Someone who wanted to prevent Americans from electing a convicted criminal for a president?

Whatever.  I am happy he was not successful.    I do not want to see Trump go down like some sort of a fallen hero who fought for American people.   I want to see him go to jail , disgraced and exposed for what he is.

No, it was someone who bought into the left-wing bullshit. 

But it's all good now. The shooter is in the next life, and the former President of the United States is preparing to wrap up his second winning campaign. 

Edited July 17 by Deluge

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, User said:

So, it's pretty much politics every election cycle. Heated primaries turn into support for the eventual nominee. 

The only issue here is that you only seem to care about this because it is Trump while ignoring that Democrats do this too. 

No, this is another gaslighting attempt to normalize behaviors and relationships that were once unthinkable. 

People who are generally aligned by party platform, but who have policy disagreements can have a heated primary but come back together once the primary voters have weighed in on a direction. 

People who proclaim that their opponent is an utterly unqualified amoral monster who cannot, under any circumstances, be trusted with a position of power, SHOULD NOT be able to simply come back together. Those things don't change after the primary. It's not a policy concession. No person of value or integrity should be willing to make those concessions.

I feel particularly sad for people of principle like Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney, who were willing to fight for the soul of the party, only to discover through the primary process that the party has no soul left for which to fight.