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I understand exactly what the order meant. It means that for lack of alternative, the person is legally allowed to remain and work in the US indefinitely. That IS his legal status. Such a person is not hiding. They are checking in with a case manager the same way a parolee does. They get jobs. They pay taxes. They have families. All done legally. Above board. He wasn't a fugitive. He was living and behaving legally, remaining here with the full knowledge of the legal system. That is the goddamn status he was granted. The Trump administration broke the law by unlawfully renditioning him to El Salvador. A district judge said it was unlawful and ordered his return. The farking SCOTUS said that it was unlawful and that the administration had to facilitate his return--unanimously, 9-0. And you're in here pretending that it wasn't illegal because the cult must over the Orange Overlord in all things. It's embarrassing.

You've "shown" me a lot of shit you don't understand. Withholding of removal is a legal status to remain here indefinitely. That's why the let him go. That's why they let him stay. That's why they gave him a work permit. You think that they are giving work permits to those who are here illegally? They want people to work if they are going to stay. They didn't make him a citizen. They didn't grant him asylum (because he missed the application deadline). But they DID give him a legal status to remain in the US indefinitely. Even if the administration had deported him to a different country (which is pretty bizarre) there is no cause to send him to a supermax nightmare prison. Again, no crime, no trial, no conviction. Just a dude driving with his kid--> straight to CECOT.

Back to Hegseth the clown. Good thing he's here to root out all the softness from the military. Tough as nails! (Well manicured and painted nails.)🤭 Hegseth orders makeup studio installed at Pentagon

WTF? You just tried to argue that there is only one component to the legal system: trials. Give yourself a well deserved and vigorous facepalm. He was living here legally. He was deported illegally. And the government authority to scoop people off the street and imprison them in foreign gulags without trial is exactly what you've been arguing this entire farking time. That's what happened. You say it's right. You support it. Jeebus.

You're just getting more vapid as you repeat this crap. Yes, the first immigration judge did indeed say that. As acknowledged multiple times. That does NOT make something proven nor it it conviction of a crime. Jeebus. It was not a trial. There is no explicit standard of evidence. The judge just decides if someone can stay or go. That's it. Yes, someone with a withholding of removal status is here legally. The legal system, legally and explicitly, said that they can remain in the country. They are issued a work permit. And you end with some epic bullshit there. He's not a proven gang member, but rather accused of being in a gang with very thin evidence. And there's no evidence whatsoever of him being involved in raping or killing women or girls, you asshat. He was just a guy with a job and a family, legally living in the US. -- Despite the accusations of being in a gang, in all the years he's been in the US (and on the planet) he's never been accused, tried or convicted of a crime. Even with all the scrutiny and regular check-ins (never missed) for his immigration status, never a whiff of him doing anything criminal. And again, whether he's the world's most super secret gang member when he's not at work or with his family, is irrelevant. Even people who ARE in gangs get a trial. They are not scooped up off the street and sent to prison in farking El Salvador. You are arguing that it's fine to scoop people off the street and just send them to a foreign prison. No need for a trial even! That's pretty goddamn monstrous--and about as unAmerican as it gets--but there you are.

Jeebus. You are just full to the brim with crap. He has never had a criminal trial, let alone a conviction. 1. He was interviewed for loitering (day labor line at Home Depot) in 2019. He was not charged with any crime whatsoever and was instead referred to immigration because he was in the country illegally. 2. He was accused of being in a gang, but denied it. The evidence of him being in a gang is pretty thin, but Judge 1 --at hearing, not trial--found it plausible and was willing to deport him. He was then granted an order of withholding and was released with a work permit. At that point he is legally in the country and able to work. No "proven" gang membership because there was no trial. A judge simply found it believable at a hearing--which is a WILDLY different standard of evidence than a criminal trial. So, for five years he's fine, legally living and working in the US with a good job and a family. No trouble. No crime. No trial. No conviction. And then one day he gets pulled over, detained, put on a plane and shipped to a prison in El Salvador. AGAIN, without any trial or conviction. Just plucked out of a normal life and shipped to a gulag in another country. It's beyond farked up. It's insane that you people think this is justice or is a precedent we should set. I don't care if you believe deep down in your shriveled heart that someone has gang ties, in America we don't just grab that person off the street and send them to prison. Due farking process.

Of course I read it, weirdo. That's why I'm asking you to dust of your rotten old brain and think for a moment about what's actually happening. Hence the questions. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Tariffs are taxes that raise prices on targeted goods to shift demand elsewhere. Does that apply to a pharmaceutical market in which consumers have a) no earthly idea of prices, b) unabating need, c)little alternative? Oh, and meanwhile generics from China and India are targeted for even heavier tariffs. This is not about tariffs shifting demand. It's about Trump's deal to repeal the negotiated drug prices in the IRA. Trump continues to throw Americans under the bus to create a smoother ride for his rich buddies.

Jeebus. El Slavador has imprisoned the people we sent there because we paid them to imprison the people we sent there. It's not like they showed up in El Salvador and had a trial. The Trump administration literally just renditioned people to a third-world gulag and then is pretending it's out of their hands. No criminal record. No cause or evidence for being detained. No trial here. No trial there. Just pulled over while driving with his kid, detained, put on a plane and sent to prison. It's insane.

I didn't change anyything. I said the government broke the law, as adjudicated in court. You said they didn't, because Bondi could "overrule an immigration judge WRT withholding. But a) she didn't do that, and b) it's not an immigration judge that ruled that the administration broke the law, it's a district court judge. This is not hard. They broke the law. The district court said they broke the law and had to bring him back. The SCOTUS affirmed that they broke the law and had to facilitate his return. You now want to argue that he's safer in some El Salvadoran nightmare prison than he was living a regular life with his wife and 3 kids? GTFO. This is just next-level dishonesty. -- A man who was legally in this country, working a steady union job to support his family, without any criminal record in this country or any other was suddenly snatched up, put on a plane, flown to a foreign country and put in prison. Think about how farking insane that is. That's nothing remotely resembling justice. That's third-world dictator shit. And you're loving it. You're disgusting.

Has been addressed. Not my fault you can't follow a conversation. The vast bulk pharma revenue is from drugs that are protected, and in many cases don't have 1:1 replacements. The US pays about 3x as much for the same drugs as they do in other countries. And it's NOT because they are being manufactured less expensively elsewhere. So who is Trump trying to help by threatening to tax our already overpriced meds and offering to repeal drug price negotiation provisions? Big Pharma has Americans over a barrel because people like Trump protect their Big Pharma buddies. If he really wanted to help the middle class he'd fight to get us the same prices that they pay in other countries instead of making a deal to protect their lucrative situation.

To understand the world, you'd have to actually stop and THINK for a moment. 1. Your "champion of the middle class" threatened to add a 25% tax on people's medication 2. Do you think a 25% price increase has any meaningful impact on demand for medicine? Do you imagine these are recreational drugs? 3. Do you have any idea how much your medication actually costs? Do you know anyone who is paying for medication out-of-pocket? There aren't many markets less likely to be affected by tariffs. So what are the Big Pharma companies actually negotiating for? Oh, that's right, Trump has promised them to repeal drug price negotiation provisions in the IRA. To, again, raise the price of medicine and protect Big Pharma profits. Something like 90% of the generic medication is made in India and China. The price for generics will go up, while Big Pharma can continue to set exorbitant prices for brand name medication. Quite the windfall for Big Pharma. They also need Trump to protect the patents of their money factory. You sure have a funny idea of "helping the middle class."🤪

As much as you despise data, the numbers are the numbers. Trump is helping the middle class by whimsically multiplying the costs of the goods they consume while tanking their 401Ks? Soooo helpful. Your fantasy that investment is up based on tariffs that keep being put "on hold" is laughable. Investment has been up based on IRA and CHIPS incentives. The on-again-off-again tariffs haven't had any impact on real investment. Nobody is investing based on schizophrenic policy. The only things tariffs have accomplished is to scare the shit out of the markets, alienate allies, devalue the dollar, and drive trade to other companies. Pure destruction. There is no upside.

Gaffes or no gaffes, we successfully rebuilt the economy under Biden, going from Trumpster fire to the envy of the world. And now Trump is back in office, mashing buttons and yanking levers he CLEARLY does not understand, and we're tanking.

No, exactly as I said, district court judge Paula Xinis ordered his return. The administration has broken and continues to break the law, as affirmed by the SCOTUS. This is the United States of America, not yet Trumpistan. A court order is a court order, and the executive can't ignore it and the AG can't overturn it or retroactively deem actions legal. Whatever bullshit you read on Twitter, this is reality.

Sure, just keep on pretending that what's been confirmed by multiple independent new outlets didn't happen. You weren't IN the chat so there's no possible way for you to gain information about it. No dignity. A. Bondi did not refer the case for reversal or appeal or change of status or anything else. They simply scooped up a man who was legally living and working in the United States and shipped him to a prison in El Salvador. The exact same due process that protects every American citizen applies to Abrego Garcia. And if he can be disappeared to a foreign gulag then anyone can. There is no question that they broke the law. B. The order to return him is NOT from an immigration judge, but from a district court judge. In no way, shape or form can the AG overrule a district court judge. Again, not even in the same branch of government. They are breaking the law. C. The SCOTUS has confirmed that the administration is breaking the law, upholding the district court ruling but asking for clarification of one word. The administration is refusing to comply. They are breaking the law. They ignoring the SCOTUS. We are watching a constitutional crisis unfold in real time.