Question for Trudeau Haters....

[herbie]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Canadian voters are straddling the centre line

And the more the Cons pander to their extreme right, the more voters they drive away. Just like when Harper loosened his grip and let the moron candidates explode in anti-immigrant rage and it got Trudeau his first win.

[Queenmandy85]

29 minutes ago, ironstone said:

With his history of ethics violations, blackface, groping

The ethics violation was a visit to the head of one of the world's great religious movements who was also a family friend. The blackface incidents occurred before that activity was seen as an offence. I too, wore black make-up in a school play. There was no groping incident, just an unfounded accusation made by a reporter, which the alleged victim firmly denied. If you want a real scandal ridden government, just cast your mind back to Mike Pearson's government when there were five separate scandals going on at the same time or the 1925 customs scandal. There are valid criticisms that can be directed the policies of the government but the stuff like the trumped up stuff in the passage I quoted is pitiful. 

[-TSS-]

What's your opinion? Is the Canadian system of parliamentarism better or worse than the American system of strong presidential power?

In the American system you can't remove the President in the middle of the term  unless you can claim that he has broken the law and that is a complicated process.

In the Canadian system and in every parliamentary system you can remove the PM if he is useless and you believe someone else can do a better job.

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

What's your opinion? Is the Canadian system of parliamentarism better or worse than the American system of strong presidential power?

In the American system you can't remove the President in the middle of the term  unless you can claim that he has broken the law and that is a complicated process.

In the Canadian system and in every parliamentary system you can remove the PM if he is useless and you believe someone else can do a better job.

it is in essence the same system, the Americans have simply gone to tripartite separation of powers

the American Executive is given its own branch of government

in the British system,  the Executive is nested in the legislature

both systems however, trace back the Parliamentary Supremacy & the English Bill of Rights, in 1690

the founding Fathers of America were after all highly educated land owning Englishmen

they brought William of Orange over to the colonies on the boat with them

the English land owning class in America, led by the shareholders of the Virginia Company

raised a Continental Army & made an alliance with the French

defeating the British Army & Royal Navy head to head, forcing the surrender of Cornwallis at Yorktown

 the United States is really just the British Empire under new management

with an elected rather than hereditary king

Edited July 26, 2022 by Dougie93

[ironstone]

5 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The ethics violation was a visit to the head of one of the world's great religious movements who was also a family friend. The blackface incidents occurred before that activity was seen as an offence. I too, wore black make-up in a school play. There was no groping incident, just an unfounded accusation made by a reporter, which the alleged victim firmly denied. If you want a real scandal ridden government, just cast your mind back to Mike Pearson's government when there were five separate scandals going on at the same time or the 1925 customs scandal. There are valid criticisms that can be directed the policies of the government but the stuff like the trumped up stuff in the passage I quoted is pitiful. 

You're really sugar coating this stuff.

The "family friend" line was false.

Trudeau had no personal interaction with this close family friend of his for 30 years, until, coincidentally I’m sure, he became the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada.

Except for his father’s funeral in 2000, the last time before 2013 Trudeau saw the Aga Khan was when he, as a 12-year-old boy, accompanied his father, then-prime minister Pierre Trudeau, on a family vacation in Greece.

Yet after one encounter in 30 years, Trudeau and his good buddy holidayed together thrice in two years — once as Liberal leader in 2014, and twice as prime minister in 2016, when the ethical lapses occurred.

It’s undeniable that the Aga Khan, whose foundation has received more than $300 million in Canadian government money since the 1980s, has a business relationship with Canada that is relevant to the prime minister’s work. Even if they were genuinely friends, that’s all the more reason to clear the trip through Canada’s ethics channels.

As for the groping incident. The allegation was in fact very credible.

In 2018, a newspaper piece from 2000 emerged: A reporter alleged that Trudeau, who was 28 at the time, was at the Kokanee Summit in Creston, B.C., raising money for a charity. An editorial in the local paper said Trudeau was accused of “groping” and “inappropriately handling” a female reporter during the event.

Reached by CBC in 2018, the woman said “The incident referred to in the editorial did occur, as reported. Mr. Trudeau did apologize the next day. I did not pursue the incident at the time and will not be pursuing the incident further. I have had no subsequent contact with Mr. Trudeau, before or after he became Prime Minister.”

SNC Lavalin.

WE Charity.

[ironstone]

32 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

is it really even the left tho ?

because they've lost the working classes

they've replaced the working classes with this ivory tower academic & managerial elite

the Liberals & NDP have become the parties of the establishment ruling class

that doesn't seem like the left to me

That's a good point. It's up for debate as to what left-wing means these days. At one time they claimed to be the only one's looking out for the working class but I don't think that's the case now. I'm not sure what they call themselves now, progressive or leftists or perhaps both. I think of them just as woke and out of touch. 

[Queenmandy85]

36 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

crypto fascist puppets of the managerial elite

filthy disgusting cowards, sycophants, cronies & traitors

who stand for nothing, fight for nothing

Come on, Doug. Don’t sugarcoat it. Tell us how you really feel. 😉

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, ironstone said:

That's a good point. It's up for debate as to what left-wing means these days. At one time they claimed to be the only one's looking out for the working class but I don't think that's the case now. I'm not sure what they call themselves now, progressive or leftists or perhaps both. I think of them just as woke and out of touch. 

this is why I say

when the fiscal & economic crash comes

there will have to be whole new parties formed

because there is no left wing party in Canada anymore

all the left wing parties have joined the crypto fascist elites, including the "Conservative" party

the working class needs a new party, to represent the real blue collars

Trucker Party

let's roll

[Dougie93]

Just now, Queenmandy85 said:

Come on, Doug. Don’t sugarcoat it. Tell us how you really feel. 😉

if any Canadian wants to take it up with me face to face

I welcome that confrontation

sow the wind, reap the whirlwind

[Dougie93]

you know how great the truckers are ?

all my American family & friends look to the Canadian truckers for inspiration

they are all put to shame

they wish they were as bad ass as the Canadian truckers

you ever heard of Americans saying they wish they were as bad ass as anything Canadian ?

well I have

the truckers are not the fringe

they got over one hundred million American conservatives right behind them

this trucker party is international, both sides of the longest undefended border in the world

the Liberal NDP regime is going down in flames with the Democrat traitors to the republic

then its gonna be payback time

free all the slaves everywhere, or die trying

death to the plantation aristocracies

Edited July 26, 2022 by Dougie93

[Queenmandy85]

It is important to focus on policies, not personal attacks. When we see some one promoting the policies of Socialist Credit, we attack the policies of government confiscation of private corporations, corruption, and funny money, not Premiers Manning and Bennett.

We criticized governments like the grits under Pearson, for taking money from the mafia and  being a tool of the CIA in the  1963 election, but we never attacked Mr. Pearson personally or called him names. 

 

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

It is important to focus on policies, not personal attacks. When we see some one promoting the policies of Socialist Credit, we attack the policies of government confiscation of private corporations, corruption, and funny money, not Premiers Manning and Bennett.

We criticized governments like the grits under Pearson, for taking money from the mafia and  being a tool of the CIA in the  1963 election, but we never attacked Mr. Pearson personally or called him names. 

 

I agree, which is why Trudeau shouldn’t have called the mandate protesters names.  

[Dougie93]

Just now, Queenmandy85 said:

It is important to focus on policies, not personal attacks.

not so

it's all about culture

the enemies of our history, culture & Commander-in-Chief deserve no mercy

they should be hunted down, and rooted out as the traitors that they are

they think they are in the majority ?

I don't think so

let the treasonous elites & their cronies on the internet come

working class Canadian boys have faced it all

  Second Ypres

Baumont-Hamel

Regina Trench

Passchendeale

Messiness Ridge

Hong Kong

Dieppe

Ortona

Juno Beach

if these urbane elites in Canada want to try to crush us

let them come

come & take

we dare them

 

[OftenWrong]

12 hours ago, Boges said:

My question is. What is your long-game here? Are you satisfied being on the fringe?

You sound like you're getting impatient with JT as well, Boges. Why don't you liberals admit it, you don't like what you see either. Come clean for once. This man is an incompetent jackass, and jackass is the best word for him. By that I mean, one who is both naive and flippant. Callous, arrogant, and a liar.

But he's also dangerous because he is such an empowered jackass.

I can give policy reasons, it hardly matters. Like someone recently said leadership is not a political party or even a platform, it's an individual with attitude and vision. I would even take another Liberal as PM over JT.

It's not that I oppose liberalism carte-blanche. Canada is a liberal country and I have felt proud of it in the past, but not since JT took over. His mission is to bring shame on Canada, to make Canadians feel ashamed of their country. In order to make Canada a post-national state, you have to kill the culture. To do that you have to make young Canadians hate the country. Hate its history, hate the great people of its past, by telling deceptive half-truths, and by using his bully pulpit and big spending to send out that divisive message across the country. Trudeau is in fact a hate-mongerer, which is entirely un-Canadian, making him the most un-Canadian prime minister of all time.

[Zeitgeist]

30 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You sound like you're getting impatient with JT as well, Boges. Why don't you liberals admit it, you don't like what you see either. Come clean for once. This man is an incompetent jackass, and jackass is the best word for him. By that I mean, one who is both naive and flippant. Callous, arrogant, and a liar.

But he's also dangerous because he is such an empowered jackass.

I can give policy reasons, it hardly matters. Like someone recently said leadership is not a political party or even a platform, it's an individual with attitude and vision. I would even take another Liberal as PM over JT.

It's not that I oppose liberalism carte-blanche. Canada is a liberal country and I have felt proud of it in the past, but not since JT took over. His mission is to bring shame on Canada, to make Canadians feel ashamed of their country. In order to make Canada a post-national state, you have to kill the culture. To do that you have to make young Canadians hate the country. Hate its history, hate the great people of its past, by telling deceptive half-truths, and by using his bully pulpit and big spending to send out that divisive message across the country. Trudeau is in fact a hate-mongerer, which is entirely un-Canadian, making him the most un-Canadian prime minister of all time.

Yeah I didn’t think he could be so bad.  Mostly I think he’s in over his head with this job.  He can’t get out of his in-group and reach across to all or even most Canadians. He fared better when the good times were rolling because of past fiscal prudence and smart policy-making.  Even then I knew we were in trouble when he stole the NDP platform to get elected.  He never shifted back to centre and has in fact incorporated the NDP within the party.  It always seems like he’s trying to impress his mom’s circle of friends with his feminism and pro choice ness.  It’s always about patriarchal colonial Canada and its victims and the associated endless apologies.  It’s maudlin and insulting to the countless achievements and genuinely hard work of the Canadians who built this country under much harsher conditions.  Yes some groups were mistreated but there was plenty of toil and suffering to go around.

It was clear how disconnected Trudeau is from the frontline workers, such as the farmers, truckers, and military during  the mandate protests.  He made no effort to understand or come across to the people who actually put food on our table and protect our freedoms.  In fact he insulted them and brought the harshest tools to bear against them.  Freeland looked like a fascist fanatic.

Having come back from Florida to this mess, which still persists in our airports, was a huge wake up call.  There’s a significant portion of the country that’s totally disengaged from this federal government, irreparably so.  

[OftenWrong]

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yeah I didn’t think he could be so bad.  Mostly I think he’s in over his head with this job.  He can’t get out of his in-group and reach across to all or even most Canadians. He fared better when the good times were rolling because of past fiscal prudence and smart policy-making.  Even then I knew we were in trouble when he stole the NDP platform to get elected.  He never shifted back to centre and has in fact incorporated the NDP within the party.  It always seems like he’s trying to impress his mom’s circle of friends with his feminism and pro choice ness.  It’s always about patriarchal colonial Canada and its victims and the associated endless apologies.  It’s maudlin and insulting to the countless achievements and genuinely hard work of the Canadians who built this country under much harsher conditions.  Yes some groups were mistreated but there was plenty of toil and suffering to go around.

It was clear how disconnected Trudeau is from the frontline workers, such as the farmers, truckers, and military during  the mandate protests.  He made no effort to understand or come across to the people who actually put food on our table and protect our freedoms.  In fact he insulted them and brought the harshest tools to bear against them.  Freeland looked like a fascist fanatic.

Having come back from Florida to this mess, which still persists in our airports, was a huge wake up call.  There’s a significant portion of the country that’s totally disengaged from this federal government, irreparably so.  

Anyway what would Mr. Trudeau even know about being Canadian? Having lived in a ivory tower all his life, protected, never having to face the challenges of life of ordinary citizens. Far more removed than his father. He is the quintessential rich man's son, pampered, elitist, and terribly naive. Then he inherits the company and wrecks it in a mere few years. We've seen this story played out enough times already to know how it goes.

[PIK]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The ethics violation was a visit to the head of one of the world's great religious movements who was also a family friend. The blackface incidents occurred before that activity was seen as an offence. I too, wore black make-up in a school play. There was no groping incident, just an unfounded accusation made by a reporter, which the alleged victim firmly denied. If you want a real scandal ridden government, just cast your mind back to Mike Pearson's government when there were five separate scandals going on at the same time or the 1925 customs scandal. There are valid criticisms that can be directed the policies of the government but the stuff like the trumped up stuff in the passage I quoted is pitiful. 

Why was his teaching career cut short? My understanding the G & M have the story, but not allowed to publish  the details.

[sharkman]

14 hours ago, Boges said:

And don't get me wrong. I don't particularly like Trudeau either. Though make harsh value judgements about the type of person that puts a "Fuck Trudeau" sticker on their Truck. 

Trudeau has won three elections in a row. Last two he's lost the popular vote, but that's mostly due to voting saturation out West. A Riding won with 80% of the vote is still only worth one seat. 

My question is. What is your long-game here? Are you satisfied being on the fringe?

I'll give Erin O'Toole credit, he tried to make the CPC more appealing to the masses, then he got kicked out. PP only proves to further that polarization. 

PP has no hope of winning the 905. Those are the seats that tilt any Federal campaign into one column or the other.  

This is so obviously trolling.  If this is the best defence an anti conservative can come up with for voting for Trudeau, then the end is near for the pervert.

[herbie]

4 hours ago, -TSS- said:

In the Canadian system and in every parliamentary system you can remove the PM if he is useless and you believe someone else can do a better job.

YOU (the general public) can't, the PM's party can. Just ask Boris...

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

all my American family & friends look to the Canadian truckers for inspiration

The Flu Trucks Clan are the inspiration? The Canadian Diet Pepsi of Jan. 6th? More like the other way around, same ilk. Same level of political ignorance. Same save our freedom by undemocratic overthrow of the government. Same belief in utter lies. Same hypocrites who worried about Communists violently overthrowing the gov't in the 1950s-60s.

[OftenWrong]

11 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The ethics violation was a visit to the head of one of the world's great religious movements who was also a family friend. The blackface incidents occurred before that activity was seen as an offence. I too, wore black make-up in a school play. There was no groping incident, just an unfounded accusation made by a reporter, which the alleged victim firmly denied. If you want a real scandal ridden government, just cast your mind back to Mike Pearson's government when there were five separate scandals going on at the same time or the 1925 customs scandal. There are valid criticisms that can be directed the policies of the government but the stuff like the trumped up stuff in the passage I quoted is pitiful. 

Apologetics. Horse crap. 

“We must believe them, except when it’s me.”

A hypocrite and liar cannot lead. 

That’s why it is personal.

[Boges]

9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Anyway what would Mr. Trudeau even know about being Canadian? Having lived in a ivory tower all his life, protected, never having to face the challenges of life of ordinary citizens. Far more removed than his father. He is the quintessential rich man's son, pampered, elitist, and terribly naive. Then he inherits the company and wrecks it in a mere few years. We've seen this story played out enough times already to know how it goes.

You could say that about a lot of leaders. Trump for example. 

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

You could say that about a lot of leaders. Trump for example. 

Ok, we are to compare Trump to Trudeau there are many similarities. However, like it or not Trump was/is a business man and has far more experience than JT. Justin never had a job before he was vaulted to the highest office in the country.

And no, being a drama teacher or whatever does not count, for shee-it.

in my opinion...

 

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, Boges said:

I'm not Left-wing. I think a lot of what the Left does is pointless and I don't personally like JT either. But it takes a special kind of hate to have a profanity on your bumper sticker. 

I'm a prog and I think a lot of what the Left does is pointless too. That said I don't vote Liberal because I think they're as right wing as Conservatives - the result being power still gets concentrated as unequally as wealth.

 

[eyeball]

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yes, you are, you said it yourself. it's like calling yourself a conservative but voting liberal...own it, there is nothing wrong with it...

What's really odd is why conservatives became right wingers in the first place, especially when you realize the original term right wing had way more to do with the way power was distributed in a political system than anything else.

This is especially curious given the great fear conservatives have of government over-reach.

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Ok, we are to compare Trump to Trudeau there are many similarities. However, like it or not Trump was/is a business man and has far more experience than JT. Justin never had a job before he was vaulted to the highest office in the country.

And no, being a drama teacher or whatever does not count, for shee-it.

in my opinion...

 

You are right with clarification.

Trump was a business owner, as opposed to businessman. He dictated his companies. My way or the highway in all ventures.

He is mart but not necessarily effective or successful.  Bankrupt 6 times and said "we used certain laws that are there".  So when thing did not go well, he used American laws and bailed out on everything and everyone.  He was/is smart in that he has all his ventures separated so any one of them can go bankrupt without it affecting the others.

"Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, which means a company can remain in business while wiping away many of its debts. The bankruptcy court ultimately approves a corporate budget and a plan to repay remaining debts; often shareholders lose much of their equity.

Trump’s Taj Mahal opened in April 1990 in Atlantic City, but six months later, “defaulted on interest payments to bondholders as his finances went into a tailspin,” The Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow found. In July 1991, Trump’s Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. He could not keep up with debts on two other Atlantic City casinos, and those two properties declared bankruptcy in 1992. A fourth property, the Plaza Hotel in New York, declared bankruptcy in 1992 after amassing debt.

PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard during the 2008 recession.

Why the discrepancy? Perhaps this will give us an idea: Trump told Washington Post reporters that he counted the first three bankruptcies as just one."