Charlie Kirk shot!

[Aristides]

Just now, gatomontes99 said:

You are justifying the Kirk shooting by mischaracterizing the MN shootings as a "they do it to" shooting. What you are doing is sick. 

I'm not justifying anything. I just wonder why you can't apply the same standard to both.

[paxamericana]

Prayer for the Kirk and Robinson family who both lost their son to our divisive discord. Your thoughts and prayers is the antidote we need in this turbulent time. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Are you seriously ^this dense?

The TWO sides were the neo-Nazis (torch marchers) and those protesting neo-Nazis.

Fine people ON BOTH SIDES means neo-Nazis were find people. Duh

It's no wonder you don't understand the issue, because I wasn't talking TO YOU.

"In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally."

Why must you be so damn absent?

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Primarily a group.  

If the group is 'the left' then it's amorphous, which is a barrier to progress IMO.

[Shady]

When leftists show you who they are, believe them.

 

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

When leftists show you who they are, believe them.

 

Good. She has no business being a civil servant.

 

Edited September 12, 2025 by Aristides

[gatomontes99]

20 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I'm not justifying anything. I just wonder why you can't apply the same standard to both.

Because I am operating in  reality. The reality is the shooter in MN was a nut job. He thought Tim Walz was talking to him and asking him to take out perceived opponents. He wasn't a right winger. He was just crazy. 

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

Because I am operating in  reality. The reality is the shooter in MN was a nut job. He thought Tim Walz was talking to him and asking him to take out perceived opponents. He wasn't a right winger. He was just crazy. 

He was both.

[gatomontes99]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

He was both.

And you are trying to justify the Kirk shooting. Just stop. 

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, Aristides said:

And people like you look at someone who is black or female and assume they are there because they took someone else’s job without knowing a damn thing about their experience or qualifications. How would you feel if you were judged that way because of your colour or sex, because for hundreds of years people were denied jobs because they weren’t white or male.

Ya people like me...your grasping at straws here you know nothing about me....All that matters is skill level and job knowledge, and who has the most of all that, your the one that brought in skin color, as a necessary option....in my profession it is pretty easy to tell who has been promoted or in a job without the necessary job knowledge or skills...And it does matter peoples lives are on the line....

All kinds of people are judged for something, color, age, religion, height, weight etc.etc....And somehow you the social justice warrior is going to fix that i mean come on..........that's some deep liberal thinking.........Your assuming everyone does it, that no one can be trusted to find the best qualified person...... now you have this uncontrollable desire to correct all these wrongs by passing over people that are white straight male...and your free to hire anyone you want, as long as you don't get discovered as discrimination is against the law and that's exactly what this is......A law that was put in place to prevent discrimination in hiring practices...

now if you don't want to hire the best qualified person, because of skin color that's on you, it serves no one , not your company, and in no way is it going to make amends for things in the past...in reality your doing the same thing wronging a person you have not even meet and basing their job performance on skin color and some need of justice for wrongs in the past...

[herbie]

Know what's truly shocking and disgusting?

Scores of school children get shot and they get thoughts and prayers. One minor darling of the right does and he gets a Vice Presidential escort and the White House flags at half-mast.
And everyone goes on pretending access to guns isn't the problem.

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What?

 

Don't act surprised. That is exactly what you're doing. 

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

Know what's truly shocking and disgusting?

 

Yes we do. scumbags who try to defend the killiing of an innocent man by trying to pretend he had it coming by faking things he said and lowlifes who try to blame the weapon not the shooter. 

We know very well what's shocking and disgusting. We're happy to educate you. Do you have a mirror at all?

[User]

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

Know what's truly shocking and disgusting?

Scores of school children get shot and they get thoughts and prayers. One minor darling of the right does and he gets a Vice Presidential escort and the White House flags at half-mast.
And everyone goes on pretending access to guns isn't the problem.

OMG, the same stupid thoughts and prayers BS criticism. That is not all those children got. You are such a sick depraved person using dead children to make disgustingly untrue political points. 

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, Aristides said:

There you go again. Among  other things Kirk was anti trans, thought the Civil Rights act was a mistake and black people were better off under Jim Crowe, said black women didn't have the mental capacity to do responsible jobs and that empathy was bullshit.

Empathy: The ability to identify with or understand another's situation or feelings:

I have sympathy for his family but why would I have any for someone who can't have empathy.

The guy was an assh0le but didn't deserve to die for it. 

Your a ret#rd.....a man was killed by some whack a doddle on the left and all you can do here is defame HIM in order to defend your position in an augment on a public forum and charlie is the a$$hole........ ...This is proof that the left does not tolerate anything that is not in their play book, including the use of deadly force to exterminate that message and messenger...No wonder we can't not have any discourse on any topic on this forum without YOU people resorting to screaming into the wind,,,,

Maybe you could back up some of those accusations you've made about Charlie with hard sources, i know the left does not like the use sources, but give it a try tough guy....

[Army Guy]

15 minutes ago, herbie said:

Know what's truly shocking and disgusting?

Scores of school children get shot and they get thoughts and prayers. One minor darling of the right does and he gets a Vice Presidential escort and the White House flags at half-mast.
And everyone goes on pretending access to guns isn't the problem.

He was killed with a bolt action rifle, access to hunting rifles is not a problem , you are part of the problem...

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-shooting-weapon-mauser-bolt-action-rifle/86110091007/

[User]

17 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Your a ret#rd.....a man was killed by some whack a doddle on the left and all you can do here is defame HIM in order to defend your position in an augment on a public forum and charlie is the a$$hole........

And I am not sure one person on the left here like him has the humility, decency, or integrity to ever admit they were wrong and apologize. 

[West]

Looks like the shooter grew up in a stable Christian home but like so many youngsters was radicalized to by the University system. Such a sad waste of TWO lives here. 

[gatomontes99]

Looks like the roommate might be an accomplice. Maybe an after the fact accomplice. 

[Army Guy]

On 9/10/2025 at 10:05 PM, Aristides said:

Seriously? He didn't say more guns equals more violence, he said more guns means more shootings. There is no doubt about that.

Homicide rate per 100K population

Japan  0.233

Canada  2.273

USA  5.763

How do you explain Switzerland were there is an abundant of firearms, and yet homicide rate per 100000 is only .070 much lower than Japan's, one could also go the other way where there is less firearms but extremely high homicide rate... neither give any credence to your theory...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359178924000776

 

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Other estimates place the number of privately held firearms upwards to a high total of 4,500,000, giving the nation an estimate of 54.5 guns per 100 people in 2017.^[18]

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

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4.1. Guns, homicide, and mass shootings

Given the differences in population size between the USA and Switzerland, any comparison has to be based on homicide rates, which indicate the number of homicides per 100,000 persons. Although not everybody who considers committing a homicide ends up doing so, and even though some homicides may never be discovered, these rates give an indication of the proportion of inhabitants of these countries, who intended to commit homicide. The US homicide rate is 5.54,³ whereas the Swiss rate in the same year is 0.70. Thus, in contrast to suicide, the Swiss appear to have lower homicide completion rates; when they do perpetrate a homicide, they use firearms in approximately 30 % of the cases.

 

 

[Venandi]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

FAR FROM IT. YOU REMOVED THE CONTEXT and that is THE TRUTH. Duh

The moronic poster I've been quoting has this to say about that:

Why do you keep believing you have answers and then display your complete IGNORANCE?

[Aristides]

17 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

How do you explain Switzerland were there is an abundant of firearms, and yet homicide rate per 100000 is only .070 much lower than Japan's, one could also go the other way where there is less firearms but extremely high homicide rate... neither give any credence to your theory...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359178924000776

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

 

Well if you read their regulations they have almost nothing in common with the US. 

Last I looked 0.597 is more than 0.233

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Firearms per 100 population

US 120.5

Switzerland 27.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

More than guns themselves it is the US wild west culture that surrounds them. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

"In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally."

Why must you be so damn absent?

I'm NOT "absent," I JUST KNOW BETTER than to believe the PATHOLOGICAL LIAR doing CLEANUP.

Just like when he tried to pretend it was sarcasm, AFTER he was reminded how ILLEGAL it was to ASK RUSSIANS to HACK Hillary's emails.

I'm not FOOL ENOUGH to believe anything Trump says LIKE YOU DO.

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, Venandi said:

Nonsense.... but let's assume for the moment it's all true. Please explain how that makes his execution (somehow) OK, or understandable, tolerable, acceptable, justifiable or defendable in any way, shape or form on any level? While I think provocations are unwise, polarizing and even potentially dangerous when absorbed by weak minded fools like Robo, the person poking the bear certainly isn't guilty of anything that comes remotely close to being punishable by summary execution. 

Try this: find any politically motivated assassination in the US that MAGATs (right here on this forum) are unwilling to condemn without caveat or inclusions. Please feel free to centre me out on it because I can't think of a single one I wouldn't be willing to condemn out of hand.

There are places in the world where freedom of speech actually does come with a death sentence and after perusing some of the posts here it occurs to me that authors (such as yourself) have never been there.  

The deflections and justifications over what he said, how he said it, or vacant ideas that somehow it was a 30.06 bolt action rifle that did the killing all ring pretty hollow to anyone over the age of 12. The reason I know that is because I asked my granddaughter. The only thing worse IMO is cheap Robo hot air bluster and name calling; it impresses no one, it intimidates no one and it convinces NO ONE of anything.  

Even though I despise bullies, I would defend Robo's right to say what he wants even if what he says qualifies as a personal attack at a personal level resplendent with grade 3 level insults. That's simple rudeness and it's not the same as true hate speech, uttering threats or inciting violence against any person or identifiable group... we have laws to cover that and let me capitalize the important concept here and the entire point of this post....

IT ISN"T A CAPITAL OFFENCE WORTHY OF EXECUTION.

As soon as freedom of speech doesn't extend to things you find offensive (or things you disagree with), then freedom of speech ceases to exist and we all become the poorer for it. 

Do you know what Trump said when he was told that Putin kills journalists?

Asked about Putin, Trump says U.S. isn't 'so innocent'

PBS

https://www.pbs.org › newshour › politics › asked-puti...

 

Feb 5, 2017 — President Donald Trump said he respects Vladimir Putin, and when an interviewer called the Russian leader “a killer,” Trump said the United States has many of ...

 

Trump on Putin's alleged killing of journalists: 'At least he's ...

Politico

https://www.politico.com › trump-praises-putin-216929

 

Dec 18, 2015 — Donald Trump hesitated on Friday to criticize Russian President Vladimir Putin for allegations the Kremlin has killed high-profile journalists critical of the ...

 

 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

YAY! Thought CRIME punishable by VISA revocation. 🤮  🤮  🤮  🤮  🤮  🤮  🤮  🤮 

[Chrissy1979]

Turns out the shooter is a registered Republican. Why am I not surprised?