Charlie Kirk shot!

[User]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

College dropout. No wonder he hated smart black women.

Another disgusting lie. You people are pathetic. 

[gatomontes99]

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Melania who?

Michelle Obama

Bachelors degree from Princeton

Law degree from Harvard.

 

Charlie Kirk

College dropout. No wonder he hated smart black women.

You didn't address the context. You just attacked Charlie and you abandoned your own premise. He is saying she, by her own actions, is unqualified and that she is admitting it. 

By the way, a degree does not equal qualified. Qualification is a state of ability, not a degree on a resume. 

[Aristides]

33 minutes ago, User said:

Another disgusting lie. You people are pathetic. 

So where did he get a degree?

I think hate was too strong a word but it doesn't surprise me he would be envious of black women who were far more qualified for cabinet jobs than he.

[CouchPotato]

Just now, Aristides said:

I think hate was too strong a word but it doesn't surprise me he would be envious of black women who were far more qualified for cabinet jobs than he.

He isn't lamenting the fact that they got cabinet jobs and he didn't. To be fair, I don't know what their qualifications all are or whether or not I agree with him in each of those cases, but it doesn't make him racist. I mean, I think Kamala as VP was definitely a DEI hire. 

[Aristides]

45 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

But DEI is what he is referring to here. It doesn't generally apply to white people. You can disagree about whether or not all those people are stupid if you like. 

Another quote you will find people trashing him for is with regard to black pilots. But he isn't saying black people cannot be pilots. He points out that because of DEI there were less qualified pilots hired over more qualified ones specifically because of race and that it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in black pilots when you know this.

I've flown with black pilots and all I can say is f*ck him. He doesn't no shit.

[CouchPotato]

The violent response from the conservatives....

 

[CouchPotato]

Just now, Aristides said:

I've flown with black pilots and all I can say is f*ck him. He doesn't no shit.

He never said black pilots are unqualified. He merely pointed out that DEI means that in some cases there are people hired where race is prioritized over merit. When it comes to airline pilots or air traffic controllers this is more than just unfair, it's really stupid. That's not racist.

[Aristides]

Just now, CouchPotato said:

He never said black pilots are unqualified. He merely pointed out that DEI means that in some cases there are people hired where race is prioritized over merit. When it comes to airline pilots or air traffic controllers this is more than just unfair, it's really stupid. That's not racist.

No one is hired unless they are qualified. Maybe they got preference because of their colour or sex but they were just as qualified as any other applicant. That is something you know nothing id!i0ts need to understand.

[CouchPotato]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No one is hired unless they are qualified. Maybe they got preference because of their colour or sex but they were just as qualified as any other applicant.

Well that's not true. I am not saying they aren't qualified, but once you make a quota at some point you have to be passing over people with higher qualifications in order to fill it. If you have enough of one group, then you have to start rejecting any applications of anyone from that group that would be more highly qualified. There is no way around that. You don't create equality by enforcing outcomes from the top down.

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Well that's not true. I am not saying they aren't qualified, but once you make a quota at some point you have to be passing over people with higher qualifications in order to fill it. If you have enough of one group, then you have to start rejecting any applications of anyone from that group that would be more highly qualified. There is no way around that. You don't create equality by enforcing outcomes from the top down.

It is true whether you want to believe it or not. 

[Aristides]

53 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You didn't address the context. You just attacked Charlie and you abandoned your own premise. He is saying she, by her own actions, is unqualified and that she is admitting it. 

By the way, a degree does not equal qualified. Qualification is a state of ability, not a degree on a resume. 

 

Got no qualifications, just demean those who do. 

Well, we know you MAGA's think education is an impediment to returning to the 19th century. 

[CouchPotato]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It is true whether you want to believe it or not. 

No. You are just arguing from emotion now. If you have a quota at a workplace and you need to hire a certain percentage of one people and a certain percentage of another, at some point you will be forced to reject any applications from more qualified individuals of a certain group in order to favor the other. That is just logical reality. There is no way around that. 

[CouchPotato]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Got no qualifications, just demean those who do. 

He wasn't trying to be an air traffic controller or a pilot though. He had all the qualifications he needed to talk to other human beings on a piece of paper called the Bill of Rights. 

Look let's say you run a hospital and you already have filled your quota of green people but you still need some purple ones. You have a job opening for a brain surgeon. This guy is going to be performing life or death surgeries that require a great deal of skill. Two people come in for the job. One is green, one is purple. Both are qualified. But the green surgeon has higher qualifications and a better resume. Who would you prefer? That's up to you, I guess. But no matter what you cannot hire the green guy. Those are the logical implications of DEI.

Edited September 12, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Aristides]

Let't talk about the women Kirk named

Michelle Obama   degrees from Princeton and Harvard

Joy Reid Harvard grad

Sheila Thompson Lee.. BA and Law degree

Ketanji Brown Jackson.  Harvard grad

 

 

Charlie Kirk. Harper College dropout.

4 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

He wasn't trying to be an air traffic controller or a pilot though. He had all the qualifications he needed to talk to other human beings on a piece of paper called the Bill of Rights. 

Look let's say you run a hospital and you already have filled your quota of green people but you still need some purple ones. You have a job opening for a brain surgeon. This guy is going to be performing life or death surgeries that require a great deal of skill. Two people come in for the job. One is green, one is purple. Both are qualified. But the green surgeon has higher qualifications and a better resume. Who would you prefer? That's up to you, I guess. But no matter what you cannot hire the green guy. Those are the logical implications of DEI.

He was an ignorant pr!ck persuing his agenda. 

Edited September 12, 2025 by Aristides

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Let't talk about the women Kirk named

Michelle Obama   degrees from Princeton and Harvard

Joy Reid Harvard

Sheila Thompson Lee.. BA and Law degree

Ketanji Brown Jackson.  Harvard

 

 

Charlie Kirk. Harper College dropout.

Cool. You are free to think Charlie is stupid and unqualified. No one is going to vilify you for that. The same way Charlie is free to think they were unqualified.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

Cool. You are free to think Charlie is stupid and unqualified. No one is going to vilify you for that. The same way Charlie is free to think they were unqualified.

I've never disputed that. 

It wouldn't matter if the black guy was the most qualified, you would still say he was a DEI hire. At least be honest enough to admit it.

[CouchPotato]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

He was an ignorant pr!ck persuing his agenda. 

You know what I think that was. I think he wanted to start promoting more right wing/conservative ideas at colleges and among younger voters. I think he wanted to be able to argue them with kids himself instead of have liberal professors and the media tell them what right wing people think. I think he was well with in his rights to do so. If anyone thought he was unqualified, they could have just ignored his events and not talked to him. I also think he was successful at what he did. I don't think he always made the best arguments for his positions. But he was successful. He went out there and was able to win votes for the Republicans. 

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

I've never disputed that. 

It wouldn't matter if the black guy was the most qualified, you would still say he was a DEI hire. At least be honest enough to admit it.

I never said anything that would remotely suggest that, and now you are just making stuff up. Racism is alive and well, but it's nowhere near what it used to be, and most people don't really care if someone is black or white, they care about merit. if I needed brain surgery, I would want the most qualified guy... black or white. 

[Aristides]

One of the black guys I flew with was an ex USAF Lt. Colonel but he must have been a DEI hire. Right? A couple of others were ex Air Jamaica. Great guys, fun to fly with and competent as hell.

[CouchPotato]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

One of the black guys I flew with was an ex USAF Lt. Colonel but he must have been a DEI hire. Right? A couple of others were ex Air Jamaica. Great guys, fun to fly with and competent as hell.

Now you are just being emotional. No one said any specific black pilot was unqualified, but once you start having quotas you have created a reality where you are going to have some people with more merit passed over for racial preference. That is the undeniable reality. At some point you have to start rejecting applicants based on race even if they have higher qualifications. There is no way around that.

I am sure the guy you flew with was an excellent pilot and far more qualified than I could ever hope to be at picking my nose. If that is the case, there is no reason he can't be a pilot without DEI. When Kirk makes that argument he is not saying that it's scary to have black pilots, it's the policy itself that reduces confidence. Once you know race becomes a preference, at some point it has to take precedent over merit. 

Edited September 12, 2025 by CouchPotato

[gatomontes99]

26 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

Got no qualifications, just demean those who do. 

Well, we know you MAGA's think education is an impediment to returning to the 19th century. 

You are just going right down my rules, in order.

[gatomontes99]

Same guy? 

The guy in purple failed a run for city council and was a member of the DSA.

[Aristides]

6 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Now you are just being emotional. No one said any specific black pilot was unqualified, but once you start having quotas you have created a reality where you are going to have some people with more merit passed over for racial preference. That is the undeniable reality. At some point you have to start rejecting applicants based on race even if they have higher qualifications. There is no way around that.

I am sure the guy you flew with was an excellent pilot and far more qualified than I could ever hope to be at picking my nose. If that is the case, there is no reason he can't be a pilot without DEI. When Kirk makes that argument he is not saying that it's scary to have black pilots, it's the policy itself that reduces confidence. Once you know race becomes a preference, at some point it has to take precedent over merit. 

No.I know what I am talking about and you don't. 

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Disgusting

 

 

Nope , no hate here, all hugs and kisses....

[CouchPotato]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No.I know what I am talking about and you don't. 

That's one hell of an argument, there.

Charlie Kirk may not have been college educated but he understood the logic here far better than some highly educated liberals.

Look, if you have a company with two many white people in it, then at some point you have to start rejecting applications from them for certain jobs even if those people are more qualified for a certain job. It's no longer a choice. DEI mandates in that case that you prioritize race over the qualification. That's not saying that white people are better or more qualified, but it's just a reality of hiring to fill racial quotas. At some point you will inevitably have to reject someone more qualified. Might not be a white guy either. Could be an Asian.

Edited September 12, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Army Guy]

24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Let't talk about the women Kirk named

Michelle Obama   degrees from Princeton and Harvard

Joy Reid Harvard grad

Sheila Thompson Lee.. BA and Law degree

Ketanji Brown Jackson.  Harvard grad

 

 

Charlie Kirk. Harper College dropout.

He was an ignorant pr!ck persuing his agenda. 

I think he already discussed this point at great length, one does not need to go to Harvard and spend mountains of money to get an education...He clearly outclassed his university students he debated with...how do you explain that...i mean clearly he was not as dumb as you paint him to be...

What was his agenda ?...