Charlie Kirk shot!

[CouchPotato]

 

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, User said:

This is a lie: "No wonder he hated smart black women."

You are a liar. 

You are just playing dumb now, this has been pointed out repeatedly to you. He was not talking about "black women" in general and that was a fabricated quote. 

He specifically referred to four black women who I named and listed their education background. Captain obtuse strikes again.

[User]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

He specifically referred to four black women who I named and listed their education background. Captain obtuse strikes again.

He did not say "black women" in the quote you provided. That is a lie. It completely changes the context from making it look like he was talking about "black women" in general when he was not. 

YOU ARE A LIAR

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You guys are such flaming hypocrites. People get jobs all the time because of connections and who they know that have nothing to do with their qualifications compared to others. Every now and then you see an article about captain so and so with such and such airline flying with his son as first officer. No doubt the kid is qualified and may be a fine pilot but if you don’t think his father being a captain at the airline had anything to do with him getting hired, you really are naive. We accept these things as matter of course and it’s only a problem when they don’t look like us/

So, you are admitting you not only support racism, but are a racist yourself?

You are here advocating for hiring based on race. 

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

You guys are such flaming hypocrites. People get jobs all the time because of connections and who they know that have nothing to do with their qualifications compared to others. 

No doubt. There are all kinds of arguably unfair things that no doubt happen. But when the government comes in and micromanages who you can hire, they are actually mandating that these unfair things happen. The idea that you can look at numbers and create equality by changing outcomes is based on a huge logical fallacy. Things do not always even out. That is not always evidence of some societal injustice. I think I read somewhere recently that men make up over 90 percent of the prison population world wide. I don't think that is a societal injustice.

But as for people being hired for connections or other unfair advantages that may exist, I think is preferable the some unfairness occurs based on free choice, rather than government actually mandating it occur.

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

He specifically referred to four black women who I named and listed their education background. Captain obtuse strikes again.

He was talking about DEI. He wasn't going to bring up straight white males.

[gatomontes99]

Press conference starting now

[Aristides]

45 minutes ago, User said:

He did not say "black women" in the quote you provided. That is a lie. It completely changes the context from making it look like he was talking about "black women" in general when he was not. 

YOU ARE A LIAR

So, you are admitting you not only support racism, but are a racist yourself?

You are here advocating for hiring based on race. 

He specifically referred to four black women. 

So you and CouchPotato agree that favouritism in hiring happens all the time but it is only a problem for you if they are black of female.

Somehow that makes me the racist. 

[User]

Just now, Aristides said:

He specifically referred to four black women. 

So you and CouchPotato agree that favouritism in hiring happens all the time but it is only a problem for you if they are black of female.

Somehow that makes me the racist. 

Sure, but he did not say "black women" in the quote as you said and continue to defend. YOU ARE A LIAR.

The clear context of that quote as presented is a LIE. 

 

Just now, User said:

Somehow that makes me the racist. 

What makes you a racist is that you support hiring people based on race. 

[Aristides]

Just now, User said:

Sure, but he did not say "black women" in the quote as you said and continue to defend. YOU ARE A LIAR.

The clear context of that quote as presented is a LIE. 

 

You are an obtuse fool.

[User]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

You are an obtuse fool.

No, you are a pathetic, disgusting liar. You know what you did, you know what that false, lying quote was saying, and you refuse to back down. 

[gatomontes99]

On the bullets:

- Notices bulges, OWO what's this?
- Hey Fascist! Catch!
- Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao
- If you read this you are gay LMAO

If you used the words "fascist", "Nazi", or "Hitler", you contributed to his evil. You helped him justify it. You have a responsibility here. Change your tone. 

[gatomontes99]

The governor of Utah is framing this as an attack on democracy. It is a very powerful and undeniable message.

[Aristides]

This shooting has a lot in common with the assassination of MLK. Both shot from a distance with a rifle while addressing a crowd and expressing their opinions. Regardless of what we think of those opinions, neither is more acceptable than the other.

[paxamericana]

10 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

The governor of Utah is framing this as an attack on democracy. It is a very powerful and undeniable message.

Because it's true. This public rhetoric of giving endorsement and permission to violence is how democracy dies. Our society is flirting with it's own destruction and it's not coming from just the left either. There is already a right wing violent backlash to this unfolding public tragedy. The killing of Charlie Kirk is deepening the violent spiral, whipped up by partisan hatred and extremism

Edited September 12, 2025 by paxamericana

[gatomontes99]

Everyone that ever called a conservative or republican a fascist, Nazi, Hitler, zionist, racist, sexist, etc, helped to radicalized this evil young man. You are an accomplice. You have Charlie Kirk's blood on your hands.

You can make amends though. We are forgiving. But you have to start with an apology and then you have to agree to, and follow through with, ending the hate filled rhetoric. Failure to do so is not an option. 

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

Everyone that ever called a conservative or republican a fascist, Nazi, Hitler, zionist, racist, sexist, etc, helped to radicalized this evil young man. You are an accomplice. You have Charlie Kirk's blood on your hands.

You can make amends though. We are forgiving. But you have to start with an apology and then you have to agree to, and follow through with, ending the hate filled rhetoric. Failure to do so is not an option. 

You just have to keep it going. Should you apologize for the rhetoric that motivated the Minnesota shooter? There has been enough name calling on both sides. Time for every one to step back and take a sanity break.

[Deluge]

22 minutes ago, Aristides said:

This shooting has a lot in common with the assassination of MLK. Both shot from a distance with a rifle while addressing a crowd and expressing their opinions. Regardless of what we think of those opinions, neither is more acceptable than the other.

Only MLK was over 50 years ago and this was 2 days ago, so it's so much more fresh on everyone's mind.

Nice retreat to the past in order to diminish what happened to Charlie Kirk. 

[Aristides]

Just now, Deluge said:

Only MLK was over 50 years ago and this was 2 days ago, so it's so much more fresh on everyone's mind.

Nice retreat to the past in order to diminish what happened to Charlie Kirk. 

I was doing the opposite of deminishing it. You have a national holiday named after King. 

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Remember all the people here defending Luigi Mangione or the Tesla arsonists. They have no issue at all with violence from their side.

By they same token, they are all ready to condemn the people like the truckers as terrorists and a national security threat. 

not to mention the ones who reveled in the death of the exec from the medical insurance compnay

[User]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I was doing the opposite of deminishing it. You have a national holiday named after King. 

No, you have been demonizing him the last day now with lies. 

[BeaverFever]

13 hours ago, User said:

Yeah, you already pushed this BS before. I called you out repeatedly, showing you all the examples of left wing violence, and every time you ran away. 

LOL you had to resort to citing antiwar protests from the 1960s and things that were barely associated with the left to compare to the violence that right wingers increasingly advocate and called BS on that.   To imply that anyone who rioted in response to George Floyd or Rodney King etc is a “leftist” and card-carrying Democrat supporter and that Obama, Biden and Democrat politicians are ideologically 100% the same as those rioters is ridiculous. 
 

13 hours ago, User said:

Not exactly what he was saying there, nor can you find anything from him elsewhere explicitly saying gay people should be put to death. But hey, looks like you got the left-wing talking points today to parrot mindlessly. 

What else could he be saying?

Pretend an islamist said that exact same statement about Jews instead of gays.  You wouldn’t be arguing that there was a hypothetical non-violet meaning  He routinely railed against homosexuality and advocated for marginalizing them in public life he maybhave only rarely suggested wink-wink-dog-whistle that it be taken to such extremes doesn’t make it any less true  Maybe he didn’t truly believe it but just was attempting to appeal to a particular audience but that’s always how these hateful ideas start before they spread  

Secondly if you’re going to attribute every one-off incident statement and actions of an individual person to the entire left then you can take a dose of your own medicine   

 

[User]

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LOL you had to resort to citing antiwar protests from the 1960s and things that were barely associated with the left to compare to the violence that right wingers increasingly advocate and called BS on that.   To imply that anyone who rioted in response to George Floyd or Rodney King etc is a “leftist” and card-carrying Democrat supporter and that Obama, Biden and Democrat politicians are ideologically 100% the same as those rioters is ridiculous. 

Another outright lie, my examples were recent to the last decade and I clearly showed how they were associated to the left. 

But this is the dishonest practice you engage in. You run away from those discussions like the cowardly liar you are and then lie about them again later. 

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

What else could he be saying?

I don't have to prove what else he was saying to point out the context here and show you what he has not said. 

He has said many times since, things just like this, the simple fact is that you are a liar, you are here mindlessly parroting lies, and don't have enough decency or integrity to own up to it. 

Stephen King got played yesterday with the same lies you did, but he had enough decency to admit it:

 

 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2025 by User

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 

hat else could he be saying?

Pretend an islamist said that exact same statement about Jews instead of gays.  You wouldn’t be arguing that there was a hypothetical non-violet meaning  He routinely railed against homosexuality and advocated for marginalizing them in public life he maybhave only rarely suggested wink-wink-dog-whistle that it be taken to such extremes doesn’t make it any less true  Maybe he didn’t truly believe it but just was attempting to appeal to a particular audience but that’s always how these hateful ideas start before they spread  

Secondly if you’re going to attribute every one-off incident statement and actions of an individual person to the entire left then you can take a dose of your own medicine   

 

 

 

For god's sake have you even watch the clip? He gave it as an example of where the bible shouldn't be taken 100% literally and needs to be in context.

It was directly in response to a woman who quoted a section of the bible that said you must love your neighbor no matter what. He pointed out that that doesn't mean that you have to excuse or accept their bad behavior and he then went on to point out that the very same section of the bible she was quoting also says that gays should be stoned to death, this is god's law according to the bible and basically went on to say do we want to take that literally

If anything he was pointing out how ridiculous it is interpret the bible to mean that people actually should be stoned to death

But you want to twist it and lie about what he said to try and make yourself feel like less of a bad person by making him seem like more of a bad person. All it does is make you look like a worse person and you should absolutely feel terrible about yourself for that

[Aristides]

19 minutes ago, User said:

No, you have been demonizing him the last day now with lies. 

I have been critical of his opinions and will continue to be. No one deserves what happened to him.

[Michael Hardner]

37 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

 But you have to start with an apology.

Is this directive for a specific person or ?

Because both sides are citing extreme claims as evidence that something is "wrong" ... with the OTHER side.

I don't think expecting an amorphous collective of types is going to band together specifically to apologize to you or anyone.  

But your heart is in the right place as you (and others) are looking to de-escalate  Maybe we can act locally ?

Like how about folks on here agree to not mock or diminish physical violence against their opponents, agree that that is unacceptable and will not post on the topic hot after it happens ?  Just a thought.

I WAS going to include violent language but let's get real.

[gatomontes99]

36 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You just have to keep it going. Should you apologize for the rhetoric that motivated the Minnesota shooter? There has been enough name calling on both sides. Time for every one to step back and take a sanity break.

Minnesota shooter claims Walz asked him to kill Klobuchar and others in letter to FBI

How now brown cow?