Trucker's Convoy

[Dougie93]

ah, look, Zeitgeist

here come the Americans now

Old Glory waving in the sunshine

 

[Accountability Now]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The last election cost 600 million, how much do you want to spend on national referendums? We elect governments to govern.

Adding a few questions to the election ballot would cost peanuts. You are now claiming that I’m asking for a referendum which is not what I said and therefore makes your argument a straw man argument  

As usual, you’re not actually listening to what I’m saying. You acknowledge that things have changed since the election yet the Liberals are standing by their claim that Canadians voted for them hence they want these claims. 
 

1. Even at the time, only 32% of Canadians voted for them. Not even the largest amount

2. Things have changed yet they don’t acknowledge the change and hold onto an election platform that is clearly outdated because they think they speak for Canadians.

[bush_cheney2004]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

25% of Canada's trade with the U.S. comes across the Ambassador bridge and about 400 million dollars of goods per day.  It is one of the largest trade routes in the world.  So a small group of protesters has had a huge effect on thousands of jobs and businesses.

 

OK, but Canada is not shut down, despite rhetoric to the contrary.   Government Covid measures have had a much greater impact than a blockaded bridge.   How is that Gordie Howe International Bridge project going ?   Is it blockade proof ?

Michigan is not shut down either...Detroit traffic map just shows a closed Ambassador bridge.   The world is not ending for workers on either side of the border.  Its a peaceful protest...is suppose to be a pain in the ass by design.

[Dougie93]

On 2/12/2022 at 1:26 AM, Zeitgeist said:

I’ve never seen anything like this in Canada.  Alarms sounding among our veterans. 

 

Indeed, this was the turning point for me

once I knew that the truckers were being led by professional RCMP & CAF officers, they had my support

but this was the call for help from the brotherhood

this is where I had to come and join them in the field

 stand to, stand to

[Dougie93]

although, ultimately, it is Christ who compels me

Jesus of Nazareth

He calls me to stand with the downtrodden against the tyrants

as he stood against Tiberius Caesar

Saul becomes Paul on the road to Damascus

rise up, yonder Christians

 

 

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Michigan is not shut down either...Detroit traffic map just shows a closed Ambassador bridge.   The world is not ending for workers on either side of the border.  Its a peaceful protest...is suppose to be a pain in the ass by design.

It's over $300M/day in trade being blocked/rerouted/closed down.  

Your right to protest (or to be a pain in the ass) in Canada, the US or pretty much anywhere else, is not to do it wherever you want, whenever you want and for however long you want.  A protest blocking a major trade artery like the Ambassador Bridge isn't just a protest anymore.  It's a malicious attempt at coercion and by design meant to cause max economic pain.  The Courts thankfully consider the rights of Ontario workers to fairly earn a living take priority over the rights of a circus of deluded morons to demonstrate in the most harmful way they can think of without outright being violent.  

 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

It's over $300M/day in trade being blocked/rerouted/closed down.  
 

 

So what ?   The trucking freight and other services are just delayed or re-routed.   Ontario has not been "shut down".   If closing one bridge brings Canada to its knees, then there is another serious problem that goes far beyond weeks of protests.

 

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Your right to protest (or to be a pain in the ass) in Canada, the US or pretty much anywhere else, is not to do it wherever you want, whenever you want and for however long you want. 

 

Protests are perfectly legal...actually a Charter right.   A judge had to grant an injunction to stop them...after the fact.   Nothing new about protests...even in Canada.

[Dougie93]

Joint Task Force Two Special Operations Assaulter's joining the protests now

even the National Mission Force is with us

facta non verba

bravo zulu

when Canadian Delta Force turns on the politicians, then you know your government is totally illegitimate

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/2-special-forces-members-under-230530549.html

 

 

[West]

14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So what ?   The trucking freight and other services are just delayed or re-routed.   Ontario has not been "shut down".   If closing one bridge brings Canada to its knees, then there is another serious problem that goes far beyond weeks of protests.

 

 

Protests are perfectly legal...actually a Charter right.   A judge had to grant an injunction to stop them...after the fact.   Nothing new about protests...even in Canada.

Trudeau has already said it's illegal because he doesn't agree with it. Moonbox is just parroting his Supreme leader as he can't think for himself. 

[Dougie93]

it's been interesting to compare the police forces during the last couple of weeks

the Ottawa police are pathetic

the Mounties are mostly cowards

Toronto Police have been highly professional tho somewhat aloof

but the OPP I found to be the best cops, genuinely decent Canadian folk

 

[Moonbox]

38 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

So what ?   The trucking freight and other services are just delayed or re-routed.   Ontario has not been "shut down".   If closing one bridge brings Canada to its knees, then there is another serious problem that goes far beyond weeks of protests.

Pretty sure the legal argument was never "Ontario is shut down".  It was, "$300M of trade crosses this bridge daily and it's being blocked".  That's a bit of a straw-man.   

38 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Protests are perfectly legal...actually a Charter right.   A judge had to grant an injunction to stop them...after the fact.   Nothing new about protests...even in Canada.

Sure.  Now the bridge will open and a bunch of angry goofs got arrested.  This is the Way.   

[Dougie93]

look at this pathetic display

Canadian police acting as goons,

led by the cowardly Mounties

crushing Canadian freedom on behalf of a foreign power

Joe Biden says jump and the Canadian cops obey

 

[Dougie93]

you know a lot of these cops are going to end up alcoholics & drug addicts on way to an early grave

crushing your own people under jackboots for Joe Biden & Xi Jinping

that's the sort of thing that comes back to haunt you

deep down, you know you are a filthy disgusting coward and traitor

maybe you can lie to yourself for awhile, but that's how serious addiction issues tend to come about

and over time it hollows you out, you become suicidal,  self destructive, they will start self medicating

Edited February 14, 2022 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Pretty sure the legal argument was never "Ontario is shut down".  It was, "$300M of trade crosses this bridge daily and it's being blocked".  That's a bit of a straw-man.  

 

So Ontario/Canada have not been shut down because of the blocked bridge.   And only a portion of that total trade volume (both directions) has been impacted because some has been re-routed.   The economic hyperbole from protest critics only give the protesters more power.

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

A lot of people are asking that question right now.

Some people have solutions that will render the question moot, perhaps sooner than we think.

Automated trucking, a technical milestone that could disrupt hundreds of thousands of jobs, hits the road

[bush_cheney2004]

Yay !   The Ambassador Bridge is now open again (sort of) and Canada is saved from economic doom.  

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/windsor-ambassador-bridge-police-protest-1.6350120

[Moonbox]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

So Ontario/Canada have not been shut down because of the blocked bridge.   And only a portion of that total trade volume (both directions) has been impacted because some has been re-routed.   The economic hyperbole from protest critics only give the protesters more power.

Right, so you're offering a straw man.  There's not a person in all of Canada that thought that the Ambassador bridge blockade could shut down the Canadian economy, so thank God we also had you here to clear that up.

I got a good chuckle out of your hyperbole comment though.  Thanks.  In that regard, the protestors have dug themselves so deep into the abyss that they'll never be able to claw their way back to credibility. 

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I got a good chuckle out of your hyperbole comment though.  Thanks.  In that regard, the protestors have dug themselves so deep into the abyss that they'll never be able to claw their way back to credibility. 

 

Well, it a good thing this serious "existential threat" to Canada's economy has been dealt with and auto parts can more easily flow again.   We don't know how much longer Canada could have survived !

[DogOnPorch]

43 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Well, it a good thing this serious "existential threat" to Canada's economy has been dealt with and auto parts can more easily flow again.   We don't know how much longer Canada could have survived !

 

The problem is the Left's inability to properly convey the real joy that comes from living in an autocracy where the individual and their rights mean nothing. If we could just see freedom as they do...ie you have no freedom except what the state allows...I'm sure we could reconcile.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

OK, but Canada is not shut down, despite rhetoric to the contrary.   Government Covid measures have had a much greater impact than a blockaded bridge.   How is that Gordie Howe International Bridge project going ?   Is it blockade proof ?

Michigan is not shut down either...Detroit traffic map just shows a closed Ambassador bridge.   The world is not ending for workers on either side of the border.  Its a peaceful protest...is suppose to be a pain in the ass by design.

Wow!    Thousands of people thrown out of work and countless businesses affected, but you say Canada is not shut down.  That is the dumbest comment I've heard in a while.  What reality do you live in?  Guess you're not affected when your neighbour's house burns down; so you would be ok with it.

Edited February 14, 2022 by blackbird

[blackbird]

Bring on the tear gas.  Paris knows how to do it.  Cleared them out in a hurry.

[myata]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

crushing Canadian freedom on behalf of a foreign power

This pandemic turns out a great mirror on our reality. That is splashing over the worlds' screens in place of a smiling industrious beaver with a dancing mountie. And how else would we have known?

[bush_cheney2004]

27 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Wow!    Thousands of people thrown out of work and countless businesses affected, but you say Canada is not shut down.  That is the dumbest comment I've heard in a while.  What reality do you live in?  Guess you're not affected when your neighbour's house burns down; so you would be ok with it.

 

Canada was not shut down by the protests...there is far more economic impact from Covid restrictions...for almost two years !

[Zeitgeist]

Yes and I’m saying this with the greatest sincerity:

Canadians are living under fascist dictates that are a denial of Canadians’ Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

However, this is perhaps just the start of a concerted attempt to control populations to a degree we’ve never seen before.

I believe we’re in a battle for human dignity against totalitarianism.  Harari called it digital totalitarianism, humans versus algorithms.

Digital vaccine passports and government-mandated behavioural controls, supported by surveillance and the turning of government over to unelected data analysts is our living proof.  Each day we watch the statistics and strive for impossible public health purity.  Impurity becomes the justification for endless suspension of rights and oppression.

The people are exhausted, depressed, mentally and social-emotionally damaged.

We’ve forgotten what normal healthy behaviour is. Families and friends are alienated from one another. Education is a shadow of its former self.

We have two new castes of people who have replaced Canadian citizens: 

1. Those who adhere to the government-mandated health program and have reduced rights.

2. Those who don’t follow the program and have even fewer rights.

Note that all current government-mandated behaviours can be adjusted at any time to allow more or fewer freedoms.  The Charter protections are gone.

The veterans and many active members of our military and police forces know that all of this is happening, even if they can’t articulate it.  Only some are willing to risk speaking out, because people have families to feed and bills to pay.

I understand that not everyone believes in God or that we are spiritual, not just physical beings.   I believe we’re in a very real spiritual battle that does threaten the innate desire and need for freedom in all of us.

Don’t buy into the messages of fear from some of the pro-totalitarian voices on here and elsewhere.  The media are mostly bought and selling the same mandated behavioural messages we get from government.

There is a segment of the population that really thinks that the small unvaccinated minority are the reason we continue to live under restrictions and mandates.  They don’t see that even if everyone was vaccinated we’d be in much the same place we are now, except that the means used to make the unvaccinated get vaxxed would be even more totalitarian than our digital passports and mandates.

Our current pandemic measures are completely unjustifiable.  They don’t meet the burden of proof required to suspend Charter freedoms.

You’ve seen the signs of those who want the unvaccinated to be completely alienated or even killed.

Significant figures on the US left —yes, liberals— are calling out Justin Trudeau’s vilification and alienation of the unvaccinated.  His words and policies are not what Canada stands for.

Calling the truckers goons or morons or racists is wrong. These people have been our essential workers throughout the pandemic. Don’t insult them.  They’re taking a necessary and important stand.  Thank God because no one else has offered an effective challenge.  I hope that our constitutional freedoms are restored but nothing is guaranteed.

End all mandates immediately.

Edited February 14, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

Could there be a class context here? There's a section of the society, especially in some cities, for which this pandemic has not been so bad. It's used to slicing and cutting public budgets however it likes with little oversight and control. It pays itself whatever it thinks fair to pay itself including annual rises tied to inflation, unlike the rest of the country. It feeds on crumbs dropping here and there, subcontracting, commissions, reports and studies. At the first whiffs of an epidemics, after two decades on spending public cash on preparation, it fortified itself to the envy of any impregnable fortress and threw out little crumbs for subsistence of the pueblo outside.

It could go on like that for a long time, as long as necessary and why not?  And now its whole model of existence has been questioned. What do you mean, we cannot just take and cut it, as we like? Why shouldn't we rule by edict, for as long as necessary? What is transparency and accountability, we never had it, a scandal and horror!

Perhaps this perspective could explain some or much of what we see?

Edited February 14, 2022 by myata