Trucker's Convoy

[Aristides]

36 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The thing I don't understand is why government levels did not have a better plan/contingency to protect what is arguably the most important transportation link(s) in the country.   Wasn't somebody smart enough to point out this vulnerability years ago and plan for what to do ?

A lot of people are asking that question right now.

[Michael Hardner]

27 minutes ago, Aristides said:

A lot of people are asking that question right now.

On a political level... how many votes are the Liberals going to lose in Ottawa, Toronto and Windsor due to this ?  At this point I would say the answer is 'negligible amounts'.  Public convenience has been high at a local level but overall safety has not been at risk.

The economic impact has been potentially large, but also not highly visible unless you are involved in logistics management in Southern Ontario.

I am being cynical ?  

[Accountability Now]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Vaccine mandate was clearly an election platform and the nation voted for a government with that platform and the elected government implemented what they promised not something they hided during the election.

Keep in mind, the winning party was actually second place in the popular vote and only had 32.6% of voters actually vote for this platform. Hardly the nation, as is the case with most Canadian elections. With that said, even if the Liberals had 51% of the vote it does not automatically mean they were voted in for that reason. People often vote for one key issue that matters to them and don’t really care about the rest. 
 

I’ve often said that when voting, people should also provide answers on 3-4 major issues. This way the elected leaders can see what the voters really want rather than assuming each of their voters wanted EVERYTHING in their platform 

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

On a political level... how many votes are the Liberals going to lose in Ottawa, Toronto and Windsor due to this ?  At this point I would say the answer is 'negligible amounts'.  Public convenience has been high at a local level but overall safety has not been at risk.

The economic impact has been potentially large, but also not highly visible unless you are involved in logistics management in Southern Ontario.

I am being cynical ?  

Borders have been blocked in Alberta and BC as well. The economic fallout may run much deeper than you think but we won't know that for awhile.  How much it hurts the Liberals will depend a lot on how attractive the Conservatives can make themselves to the mainstream. One can only hope.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Counter protests by Ottawa residents against uninvited mandate protesters are growing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/covid-19-counter-protest-trucker-protest-1.6349936

They started Saturday morning with hundreds marching through Ottawa streets and continued Sunday as groups of fed up residents blocked a major intersection to prevent vehicles joining the anti-mandates protests downtown. The roughly 20 residents blocking the intersection quickly grew into 200 within hours at the intersection alone. Some carrying signs saying GO HOME.

 

 

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Certainly a better execution of organized, non-violent protest than seen in many other nations, including the USA.   The current protester strategy has been effective because it is non-violent and appeals to a large minority of Canadians weary of Covid restrictions as well.

The economic impact is supposed to be very painful...to prompt change.   It is a methodic, more peaceful approach than maybe looting and burning down cities.

The police still haven't done anything to remove the occupiers in Ottawa.  They have become more entrenched and more determined.  We will see how they react when they are removed by force in the coming days or weeks.  I wouldn't count on all of them being peaceful.  There may be a few seriously bad characters among them who are willing to burn down the house so to speak.  Some have said they are willing to die for the cause.

We also don't know how the blockaders in southern Alberta will react when they are removed by force.  They are a different kind of crowd than the Ambassador bridge crowd which were mainly city folks from the Windsor area.  The Alberta crowd include as lot of red neck radicals kind of like Trumpsters from the deep south.

Edited February 13, 2022 by blackbird

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

Keep in mind, the winning party was actually second place in the popular vote and only had 32.6% of voters actually vote for this platform. Hardly the nation, as is the case with most Canadian elections. With that said, even if the Liberals had 51% of the vote it does not automatically mean they were voted in for that reason. People often vote for one key issue that matters to them and don’t really care about the rest. 
 

I’ve often said that when voting, people should also provide answers on 3-4 major issues. This way the elected leaders can see what the voters really want rather than assuming each of their voters wanted EVERYTHING in their platform 

Since WW1 there have only been four elections where the winning party has had 50% or more of the popular vote. 50.0% in 1984, 53.7% in 1958, 50.0% in 1953 and 50.1% in 1949. 

[Zeitgeist]

51 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The police still haven't done anything to remove the occupiers in Ottawa.  They have become more entrenched and more determined.  We will see how they react when they are removed by force in the coming days or weeks.  I wouldn't count on all of them being peaceful.  There may be a few seriously bad characters among them who are willing to burn down the house so to speak.  Some have said they are willing to die for the cause.

We also don't know how the blockaders in southern Alberta will react when they are removed by force.  They are a different kind of crowd than the Ambassador bridge crowd which were mainly city folks from the Windsor area.  The Alberta crowd include as lot of red neck radicals kind of like Trumpsters from the deep south.

You’re so full of assumptions about what horrors these people could commit.  Of course none of it has happened.  If police try to physically remove them, then some will be easier to remove than others.  The police are the ones who are armed and in riot gear.  They will be fine.  It seems like you’re hoping for pushback so the cops can really sock it to ‘em.

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re so full of assumptions about what horrors these people could commit.  Of course none of it has happened.  If police try to physically remove them, then some will be easier to remove than others.  The police are the ones who are armed and in riot gear.  They will be fine.  It seems like you’re hoping for pushback so the cops can really sock it to ‘em.

It's a valid question. If they don't leave voluntarily, eventually they will have to be removed by force. This can't go on forever.

[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It's a valid question. If they don't leave voluntarily, eventually they will have to be removed by force. This can't go on forever.

It’s already happened in the removal of the blockade from the Ambassador Bridge.  So once these trucks are removed and the horns are silenced, what, Trudeau gets his smug win and his fascist policies continue?  You get your win and Canadian government gets solidly more similar to China.  Is that your hope?  The issue of mandates and vaccine passports is definitive of whether or not our government still honours constitutional rights. So far Trudeau is saying that his government does not, that we are not a pluralistic society where people can make their own decisions about healthcare with the assurance of protected citizens’ rights (The Charter of Rights and Freedoms).

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s already happened in the removal of the blockade from the Ambassador Bridge.  So once these trucks are removed and the horns are silenced, what, Trudeau gets his smug win and his fascist policies continue?  You get your win and Canadian government gets solidly more similar to China.  Is that your hope?  The issue of mandates and vaccine passports is definitive of whether or not our government still honours constitutional rights. So far Trudeau is saying that his government does not, that we are not a pluralistic society where people can make their own decisions about healthcare with the assurance of protected citizens’ rights (The Charter of Rights and Freedoms).

 

No, once the blockade is removed the country gets back to business. Your cause isn't so righteous that you get to hold the whole country ransom or ignore any laws you please.

[Army Guy]

On 2/10/2022 at 11:41 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

So in the future gangsters can break the law and get away with it because no one should be hurt. So why bank robbers should be jailed? If they rob banks in a strong group of armed gangsters then law enforcement should stay clear and let them get away with it?

These protests will come eventually to an end and they will return to their homes, however, the protesters and organizers should be marked by police intelligence and cameras and then pursued by law enforcement and punished according to the law on charges ranging from unlawful blockages, unlawful disruptions, disregard to public safety, receiving illegal foreign funding, to acting against national interest and sedition.  No one should be able to openly break the law and then get away with it. No amnesty of any kind for these law breakers,

Here is the problem, cities have steadily decreased police budgets for years, until we get to this point, it becomes a flashing red light when a major city can not control a couple thousand people...police know exactly waht is going to happen they will have to use force on 3/4 of these protesters, and it is going to get real ugly real fast...and the only people that are going to pay for that is the police, and their will be more cut backs... who is to blame well the politicians but thats not who is going to wear it, the people are also to blame for allowing them to get away with it...instead of fancy trains that were over priced they should have put that funding into policing and other protective services...

The same thing that happened in BLM protests, felons had broken the law clearly, and when they did used force their were riots in every city, passive shouts to defund the police and use that money some where else, like building parks for under privilege ethic kids, or more social programs ... And we can all sit back and say fuc*ing police not doing anything, becasue it is a catch 22 they will be screw in all their holes for doing something or not doing something...

that would be great if everyone had to face the law from everything they have done, but thats not what happened to the Indigenous blocking roads and rail tracks, not what happened to any BLM riots or protests... the precedence has been set.. of course these guys are white racists so they should be treated different.. I did not say it was right but thats what happened, and we are on the same page everyone breaking the law should face consequences.

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No, once the blockade is removed the country gets back to business. Your cause isn't so righteous that you get to hold the whole country ransom or ignore any laws you please.

The business of living under totalitarian policies?   No thanks.  

[Michael Hardner]

Army Guy makes a statement in line 1 without a cite.

 

https://assets.tvo.org/prod/s3fs-public/media-library/recommended_net_operating_budget_for_police_approved_by_council_000s_2.jpg?U2adJQFs.KEjGe9iqmxE6H1L2Z8JtBUj?fid=22112

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No the majority of people in Canada are lunatics as per your post. You and your kind who break the laws, harass and intimidate neighbors, blockade illegally vital roads, put people out of work are the only sane ones!!!!!!

You do know there are people who live in Ottawa that are delivering fuel offering protesters showers, places to sleep, food...Not all of the people are against this.  

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The business of living under totalitarian policies?   No thanks.  

Well, in future when you see environmentalists blockading pipelines or other resources or infrastructure projects don't complain because they aren't being any more self righteous than you.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Well, in future when you see environmentalists blockading pipelines or other resources or infrastructure projects don't complain because they aren't being any more self righteous than you.

I can say whatever the fuck I want.  

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

I can say whatever the fuck I want.  

Sure you can, you just can't do anything you want

[Aristides]

But why would you complain, they aren't doing anything you don't claim the right to do>

Edited February 14, 2022 by Aristides

[Army Guy]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Army Guy makes a statement in line 1 without a cite.

 

 

Yes i did, and while your graph does show a steady increase over 10 years, technically Michael is right but when we take in count for inflation, wear and tear of equipment, new equipment  pay increases for police officers some creative accounting what do you think is left of all those raise, do you think there is much room for more police officers , what does a ottawa police officer make per year... ,... 

And if they are growing the budget every year , why do they need 1800 more police officers, that would be a red flag for me, at one point there was only 300 max in downtown, 

[DogOnPorch]

Nobody is going anywhere until Canada is returned to the way it was before authoritarians messed all over it in a big ol' fascist wet dream. Good luck making them leave...you'll only look like a goon. 

[West]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

Nobody is going anywhere until Canada is returned to the way it was before authoritarians messed all over it in a big ol' fascist wet dream. Good luck making them leave...you'll only look like a goon. 

Trudeau and his supporters are sick enough to push the country to this point over a vaccine. 

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, West said:

Trudeau and his supporters are sick enough to push the country to this point over a vaccine. 

 

Well it's all about that darn Great Reset, n'est pas?  What was once a wild conspiracy theory of power mad globalists trying to subvert populations, became an all too real reality with Canada playing the leading role. 

 

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by DogOnPorch

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re so full of assumptions about what horrors these people could commit.  Of course none of it has happened.  If police try to physically remove them, then some will be easier to remove than others.  The police are the ones who are armed and in riot gear.  They will be fine.  It seems like you’re hoping for pushback so the cops can really sock it to ‘em.

Oh..  just ask the Ottawa police why they didn't clear them out.  They said repeatedly they are concerned some of these occupiers could potentially be violent.  That's why they haven't tried to remove them or done much.  Where have you been hiding?

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, blackbird said:

Oh..  just ask the Ottawa police why they didn't clear them out.  They said repeatedly they are concerned some of these occupiers could potentially be violent.  That's why they haven't tried to remove them or done much.  Where have you been hiding?

 

I think the protesters have more to worry about in terms of you getting violent...since you approve of the use of force on regular Canadians.