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And just to close the book on this, the cases against Comey and James by Trump’s unqualified hack prosecutor have been thrown out. It turns out that the prosecutor jobs usually performed by the top criminal lawyers in the country can’t be filled by random MAGA twits with zero criminal law experience who make serious procedural errors. Who knew? What’s funny is how the MAGAs rant about “qualifications” and “merit” when it comes to unfounded accusations about DEI etc but then will gladly hire any unqualified slob based on their devotion to Dear Leader.

That's because Libbies dont care about people. Its all about the party line for them.

Agreed, the two issues are completely separate and using one to dismiss the other is horrible. Even if crime is down and improving, there can still be a flaw in the system that allows crimes that could be prevented and should be addressed. But the liberal solution is always to avoid dealing with it. IF crime is down they would argue as above "Hey, overall crime is down, why don't you focus on the big picture!!" And if crime is getting worse (as it is) then it's "we can't be solving this on a case by case basis, we have to look at the root causes and try to address the big picture." And the big picture is always we need to let them out of jail and spend more money on social programs. Meanwhile the 'big picture' doesn't mean much to the poor woman who's emotionally scarred for life and will never be the same again after the attack.

What a monstrous position to take. This crap is happening daily. And no matter what your Libbie rags tell you, crime is not down.

Read my post again. You don’t want to talk about either this crime or the statistics. You throw statistics out so you can dismiss this, ignore it, and obfuscate. You don’t need statistics to simply look at this issue, analyze it, and understand it what went wrong. I have played this dumb game with you before, I have explained it to you before, and you don’t engage. Your position isn’t logical, it’s a dishonest tactic to avoid having to discuss the issue. If one person dies on a construction site, gets run over by a dump truck backing up, because the back up alarm wasn’t working, we don’t need to sit around saying we can’t care about this, because statistics! Sorry, until about 1,000 more people die from failed backup alarms, can’t talk about this!

Gtfoh. We're not the courts. He's openly confessed to doing it, all on video. You had absolutely no issues with legacy media tainting the Chauvin trial.

No one "CONVICTED" him by pointing out who this man is and his criminal past. But you are totally cool with all the other victims out there, like the one he beat to unconsciousness, damaging her optic nerves...

Manufacturing-Consent_Final.pdf From the report: The report details how the Impact and Innovation Unit (IIU) in Ottawa is increasingly using sophisticated behavioural psychology, such as “nudge theory,” and other message-testing tools to influence the behaviour of Canadians. Modelled after the United Kingdom’s Behavioural Insights Team, the IIU was originally presented as an innocuous “innovation hub.” In practice, the report argues, it has become a mechanism for engineering public opinion to support government priorities. With the arrival of Covid, the report explains, the IIU’s role expanded dramatically. Internal government documents reveal how the IIU worked alongside the Public Health Agency of Canada to test and design a national communications strategy aimed at increasing compliance with federal vaccination and other public health directives. Among these strategies, the government tested fictitious news reports on thousands of Canadians to see how different emotional triggers would help reduce public anxiety about emerging reports of adverse events following immunization. These tactics were designed to help achieve at least 70 percent vaccination uptake, the target officials associated with reaching “herd immunity.” IIU techniques included emotional framing—using fear, reassurance, or urgency to influence compliance with policies such as lockdowns, mask mandates, and vaccine requirements. The government also used message manipulation by emphasizing or omitting details to shape how Canadians interpreted adverse events after taking the Covid vaccine to make them appear less serious. The report further explains that the government adopted its core vaccine message—“safe and effective”—before conclusive clinical or real-world data even existed. The government then continued promoting that message despite early reports of adverse reactions to the injections. The report urges: Parliamentary oversight of all behavioural science uses within federal departments, ensuring elected representatives retain oversight of national policy. Public disclosure of all behavioural research conducted with taxpayer funds, creating transparency of government influence on Canadians’ beliefs and decisions. Independent ethical review of any behavioural interventions affecting public opinion or individual autonomy, ensuring accountability and informed consent.

Well, it’s just an incredibly awful response on so many levels. Like, what is he saying here, that if crime is down overall, we shouldn’t care if crazy criminals are still left roaming the streets killing and brutally raping/attacking women on the subway? like, sorry, sorry we let this guy go and don’t care that he was arrested 70 times and beats up women and gets right back out, but here look at the stats, you can see crime is down 1% this year!

Commie lieberals! Clever! You forgot to say your bit about Prime Minister Carnage and something about Marxist Fascists though.

As I’ve been saying for months, PP is the new Jagmeet Singh and is going to prop up the Carney government for now. The only thing I got wrong was that I underestimated the extent of the theatrics and smoke and mirror shenanigans they would go through to maintain plausible deniability. I thought the conservatives would actually have no choice but to vote in favour. But the games are amusing

Holy shit you are one of the most fundamentally dishonest people on this forum. We don’t need universal healthcare to lock criminals up or to lock up the criminally insane or to commit people involuntarily. This has absolutely nothing to do with universal healthcare. The fact that you are making my excuses for this man being in the street to beat women up and victimize women is the problem. People like you are why this man is a problem. You don’t care.

Canada must absolutely go with the F35s. As has been mentioned previously, the F35s are the best of the best. When leaders like Putin and Xi Jinping decide to infringe on our Arctic sovereignty, AND THEY WILL, we will need to scare them out and away with our capabilities. The Gripens may not be enough to do so. But they are 100% scared of F35s. We need to show them us landing F35s in Iqaluit and Alert, and show them we are there, and strong. Can a Gripen land in places like that? I doubt it. F35s can. The purpose of a fighter jet is to defend the state it belongs to. A Gripens deal may be a better for the Canadian economy, but what good is an economy if its nation-state is susceptible to invasion? With the F35s there will be no risk of that. I hope the F35s deal can be amended to allow us full right-to-repair and technological control and sovereignty over the aircraft.

It is absolutely insanely hilarious that has their final last-ditch attempts the liberal supporters are attempting to suggest that all of the problems that Canada face are because the conservatives pointed it out. Like, if we had just kept our mouths shut none of this terrible stuff that is a direct result of liberal policy would be happening. The sad reality is there's not a lot of good things to point to when it comes to Canada right now. The liberals have essentially eroded almost every aspect of our society be it economic, food security, housing security, Down to even how close we are as a nation. It is a sad truth that trump did more for Canadian Unity than the liberals have in the last 11 years, and even that only lasted briefly. But of course, none of that would be true if I hadn't just mentioned it. It's all my fault because I brought it up, otherwise we'd be fine

Minnesota taxpayer dollars funneled to Al-Shabaab terror group, report alleges This is a long article with a lot of details. For brevity: A program designed to help kids with autism was used by Somali groups to funnel tax payer money to Somali families and then send it to Somalia were a terror group took a cut. Effectively making so MN tax payers were funding the terror group. DJT, in response, ended protective status for all Somalis. This is why we need a department like DOGE. The US budget did not explode from $800B a year to $2T+ because of need. It did that because there is a tremendous amount of fraud, waste and abuse in our budget and every level. This can not be fixed in one term. It will take time.

Cons help out the Libs. But lie about it. They hid behind a curtain! After it became apparent the budget was going to pass thanks to two NDP abstentions but also two other Conservatives sitting this one out, Scheer and Reid told the Speaker they wanted to vote against the budget but couldn't due to technology troubles inside Parliament. The Speaker allowed it. While diametrically opposed to the Liberal budget, sources say Conservative Party top brass don't want an election so soon after the last one — especially as polls suggest Carney is generally the preferred pick for prime minister over Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservatives-helped-pass-carney-budget-9.6983603

I’m not attracted to shiny objects. Americans are out to screw Canada. Here’s a great rundown:

America's industrial capacity dwarfs Sweden's, and until the planes actually arrive in Canada, all we're talking about is "What fighter planes will they be able to give us in 3-8 years?" If anything major happens within that time frame, it's not unlikely that Sweden or the US would say "These aren't available for sale abroad right now because we need them ourselves." (I'm pretty sure that we reneged on a deal to give the Saudis some armoured vehicles at one point recently) America's larger standing air force and greater capacity means that they might be able to spare at least a few aircraft or increase production more dramatically than Sweden can. Also, 1) America's planes are more battle-tested, and real-world effectiveness is light years past theoretical effectiveness, plus 2) any new systems that are built by American contractors like Raytheon, etc, to upgrade fighter planes' capabilities, will be designed so that the first iteration of that system fits the F-35. It will probably require some re-sizing or tinkering to implement that same system on other NATO fighters. It seems like an afterthought right now, but the F-18s that we currently have were upgraded many times over their decades of service, and no doubt the next batch of fighters we get will have to last us 40 more years. The easier, cheaper and quicker it is to update them, the better. A last addition to that thought, any shortcomings that develop over the next few years with the F-35's capabilities, as adversarial aircraft, weapons systems, detection systems, etc grow stronger, will probably be brought to light sooner because they will be in action more than the Grippens - America's nose is always in something, Sweden's, not so much. If Grippens don't see a lot of battle, it could take them longer to find out which ways they're lacking, so upgrading them might lag by a generation. It only takes one chink in the armour to bring down a plane, or squadron, and we can't afford that.

If the Grippen is better on all fronts, why do you think the Canadian military wants the F-35s?

More spam from the spam bot. At this point, you might as well be kicked off this forum too. This is literally you just creating worthless thread to spam the forum now:

Archive.ph is your friend Lets you post links too. I have to say the one thing I haven't really heard in this entire debate online or in the media is it clear definition of the role that our air force is supposed to play. Like, what's its mission specifically? What are we expecting to encounter in the next 20 years that these fighters, whatever we buy, will be expected to address? It kind of feels like what we're looking for is canada protection and the ability to intercept and patrol on one hand and the ability to operate jointly with Americans in conflict away from our country on the other. And honestly if that's the case it just really seems to me like a two plane solution makes the most sense. For patrol, intercept, protecting our own country it would seem to me that we don't need the latest and greatest fighter, but we definitely need a decent number of them. We were talking about buying 50 or 60 at 35, it doesn't seem possible that you could cover all of Canada with that few. It would be better if we went with something less sophisticated but we had enough of them to guard our country. I haven't seen any actual analysis saying exactly how many we need to do a good job of patrolling and protecting our own borders against incursion. Currently we can't even shoot down a balloon It also would make sense based on that that we had a small group of f-35s so that if we have to participate in a conflict with NATO or the Americans we can do so seamlessly. The away team if you will. And we do have to consider the other elements as well. Politically it makes no sense to be dependent on America anymore. Even if it's the best fighter it doesn't make sense. China might have the best fighter but I wouldn't suggest we would buy it from them. We just have to accept that reality And there's the jobs. SOB is offering to bring a hell of a lot of jobs to Canada. A stronger economy means more revenue and money to buy more military systems and provide more training and hire more pilots. The military does not exist in a vacuum. Maybe we would see less cuts to military in the future if it employed more people. But at the end of the day I just have never heard any military or other expert sit down and say this is how many fighters we need, this is what we're expecting those fighters to do for us, this is the threat we want to eliminate, and therefore this is why we think this fighter or that fighter or a combination of them are the best

Obfuscation is Mike's specialty He's always posting things that strongly suggest his opinion, but leave him enough wiggle room to pretend that's not necessarily his opinion later when he gets called on it. Mike- "It could be said that trans people have every right to use whatever bathroom they want even if it puts women at risk". Everyone else " that's terrible, putting women at risk is wrong! You're terrible!" Mike: Hey, i didn't say -I- felt that way, i just noted it could be said by someone. Why are we even talking about this?

A few days ago Trump said: ""I threw him out of my club many years ago because I thought he was a sick pervert.". He 'threw him out' in 2007. So he knew what Epstein was doing but did nothing about it? Didn't contact the police, let the abuse go on. Just on emore reason why Trump should be in jail.

Your "sense" is not "common" just because it's what YOU BELIEVE.

Locking up the criminally insane is literal the only solution. There are 2 purposes of prison: rehabilitation and protection. We need to restore prison so that the public is protected.

Mike Johnson said that, then recanted. Get your facts straight. You're naive enough to think Trump didn't know what he was poaching young girls for? "I hardly knew Epstein at all" / "I hardly knew Epstein": This phrase has been used by Trump more recently to downplay the extent of their friendship, particularly after Epstein's 2019 arrest on sex trafficking charges. You probably belive that too, despite the facts showing otherwise.

Dude, you're overreacting

I am always sad to keep saying this, but let's be honest here. Canada is f--c-ed period. Whether the lieberal party has a minority or a majority, they will not do a bloody thing too try and make Canada great again. Carnage is a WEF Zionist Marxist globalist pos and his only soul purpose and aim as the dictator of Canada is to try and destroy that old Canada that we all once knew and loved and try and turn Canada into a Marxist globalist 3rd world hell hole. The only people that like the way Canada is going are the communist lieberals and the NDP that want to see the old Canada die and disappear for good. We ain't seen nuttin yet as to what the commie lieberals have in store for Canada in the next few years. If you like communism and no freedom than the new Canada is for you. Alberta must go and separate to help save our conservative culture values and traditions. That way the rest of Canada will soon follow and that will be the end of Canada and then may Canada go RIP. Just my opinion of course. Yes/no?

Flyboy has already lost it a long time ago. Poor little lieberal troll. Do you feel sorry for the troll?

Of course the cooch grabbing, pay for sex misogynist pig knew about what was going on with Epstein. How could you be so damned thick headed you'd even doubt it?

You do not seem to grasp the cost of hot doing away with burning fossil resourses. I am curious to know what you physics prof told you about the ramifications of rapid climate change?

"When Canada sends it's people, they're not sending their best people..."

F-35...everything else favors the F-35 a gen 5 aircraft with capabilities the Gripen could only dream off....it's sensors can spot enemy aircraft well beyond their own radar coverage, shooting first is a wining strategy and killing at distance is the F-35 domain...It has been battle tested by Israel and the US.... We only have 3 more years of trump....are we going to be that petty as to depriver our pilots defending this country by flying the best aircraft on the market right now....

Your source is dated 2019....and is very outdated, It does not have issues in cold weather, they operate out of Alaska, all the time and there is no palm trees there... https://www.eielson.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/3591523/f-35-lightning-ii/ https://breaking-news.com.ua/en/news/world-en/defense-express-compared-the-operating-costs-of-the-gripen-with-other-fighter-jets/ A mixed fleet is the way to go according to you, and yet Many of the commanders of air command don't see it that way , maybe you can give us a source on what your basing this opinion on....or maybe like the other posters on here it is based on nothing really. Yes Gripen is more cost efficient to fly, one could also say the spitfire would also be more efficient to fly and maintain, but lacks everything the F-35 offers, your comparing a 4.5 fighter to a 5 th gen fighter it is not apples to apples ...Canada has a long history of keeping equipment for 40 plus years...the world is working on gen 6 aircraft now....and god knows what they will be working on in 40 years....SO why invest in a fighter that is outdated already.. If it is all about saving money then like i said buy spitfires....I find these comments funny because Our own military pilots have chosen the the F-35 in 3 separate competitions. each one of these competitions found the Gripen placing at best 3 rd place because 2 European competitors dropped out... Nobody is even bringing that point up....why would we pick a fighter that does not even place in the top 5.. Are you suggesting that OUR politicians know better than the men and women that fly these machines....or maybe we don't value their Live's enough to buy the best aircraft available at the time...which one is it...

If you are gonna try and make some points...at least be familiar with what you are talking about,. It is the Swedish GRIPPEN... LOL. ""Griffen" is a legendary creature (griffin), a common given name, a place in Austria, or a surname associated with various notable individual. The mythical griffin is a creature with the body of a lion and the head and wings of an eagle"

The unfortunate thing is no one can put faith in Trump. The fortunate thing is that Trump will be gone in 3 years. President Vance...does that not make you quiver? LOL The Gripen may seem cheaper but, once modifications and additions to make it North American compatible...will it really be cheaper? There are a lot of components in an aircraft, especially in the avionics but also the mechanical parts of it. The logistics of maintain the aircraft is huge and the bits ill not be made for maintained in Canada. If we only own 60 or so aircraft, it makes no sense financially or logistically to build facilities her. The cost of Cormorant (our SAR aircraft) logistics is outrageous. Many parts have to go back to Europe for repair, overhaul and maintenance. And the Cormorant is not anywhere near as technologically complex as a fighter aircraft. I am not pro American, especially in to days political climate but, I am realistic and fully understand our immediate (and in the near future) needs and that is to protect us and our sovereignty. We rarely send out fighter aircraft out of country. I think less than a dozen on our 50 year ownership.

Can we still put our faith in the Americans after Trump, though? Would a President Vance be any easier on us? I would trust the Swedes ahead of the Americans at the moment. Apparently, the Gripen is a lot cheaper to keep in the air too? Not that I know the first thing about this.

Canada has been in involved with the F35 development for decades. It has cost us $10 million or year every year. Our primary interest is Canada, and by that, North America. Yes we deploy sometimes but, we are mainly a stay at home Air Force. Economically, it also makes sense to buy from the US. Not just the aircraft but the maintenance and the repair and overhaul. Having been involved in buying European aircraft and now knowing the costs and issues with shipping parts across the pong and getting engineering info from them, I would caution buying from Europpe.

Uh oh leftoids, you’ve been MAGA

Then why on Earth are you wasting your time asking me anything? Why haven't pasted your question into a browser yet? Let me guess, you forgot what it was.

You are also funding Energy Industry PR campaigns when you fill your tank. The article is from a compromised source, no doubt. You could have addressed that instead of going off on insults.

It’s pretty embarrassing for Conservatives. https://www.policymagazine.ca/how-pierre-poilievre-just-avoided-an-election-and-why-he-wanted-to/ Suddenly, there were Mr. Scheer and Mr. Reid. They were behind the curtains in the Opposition Lobby. Each claimed they were trying to vote remotely but could not get their apps to work, even though they were just a few feet away, out of sight of the Clerk’s desk. From their desks, they each then asked to be recorded as voting “No” — which they were allowed to do. Scheer and Reid wanted to vote against the budget. But it appears they were also their leader’s insurance policy. If Pierre Poilievre had wanted to actually defeat the budget, they would not have been hiding behind the curtains. Once the coast was clear and the budget had passed, they rushed out with their excuse and their votes.

No, no, don't tell them that! Admitting the Tory bigwigs knew it was about the worst time possible to force an election would kill their delusions.

Even the National Post is calling out the Conservative theatrics! Conservatives conspired to pass Carney’s budget is the headline! Ouch. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/opposition-mps-conspire-to-pass-carneys-disastrous-budget At least Green Leader Elizabeth May traded her support for something she cares about, a promise to meet our Paris Agreement targets. I expect she’s been had, in that the Liberals couldn’t do it if they even tried. But it beats the pseudo-sophistication of His Majesty’s official lack of Opposition faking opposition to the budget while sliding it through, scorning what is good for the country based on principle for a convoluted attempt to gauge what might conceivably be good for the party based on voters’ hypothetical distaste for having to exercise their stinking ballot.

This thread is meant for serious discussions about the Canadian Armed Forces and Canadian defence policy. The only one responsible for the Ukraine war dead is the brutal dictator who started the war and refuses to end it by returning his invading troops home, Vladimir Putin. Take your crackpot Kremlin-made bullshit lies over to one of the Ukraine war threads if you want to debate that further instead of polluting this one, Now F*ck off.