herbie Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 (edited) There it is, Mark Carney is the new Liberal leader with 86% of the vote. Edited March 9 by herbie 1 Quote
-TSS- Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 He can thank Donald Trump for the increasing support for the Canadian Liberals since doubtlessly most Canadians regardless pf their political views are disgusted with Trump's silly comments about international comments including those of Canada. 4 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 7 minutes ago, -TSS- said: He can thank Donald Trump for the increasing support for the Canadian Liberals since doubtlessly most Canadians regardless pf their political views are disgusted with Trump's silly comments about international comments including those of Canada. For sure, but I think honestly that energy is going to be hypersand and easily shattered. I have a suspicion that when the final votes are tally the liberals will have gotten their hopes up for nothing. We'll see Quote
myata Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 I listened to Carney just now and I have to admit that as a leader he stands levels, in my estimate seven or eight above Poilievre. 3 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
TreeBeard Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 48 minutes ago, -TSS- said: He can thank Donald Trump for the increasing support for the Canadian Liberals since doubtlessly most Canadians regardless pf their political views are disgusted with Trump's silly comments about international comments including those of Canada. Why do people see the Libs as being better at handling Trump than PP’s Cons? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: Why do people see the Libs as being better at handling Trump than PP’s Cons? Because they did once already? 3 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Army Guy Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Because they did once already? They have also done a lot of things, mismanage almost every federal file, plenty of scandals, lied to Canadians, pocketed taxpayers funding into their own companies, not to mention other thefts, screwed up immigration, border security, military, RCMP' the whole security apparatus really, got your passport yet, spending , climate change, it would be quicker to list the thing they did right...Pot....got rid of Justin... 2 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 9 minutes ago, myata said: I listened to Carney just now and I have to admit that as a leader he stands levels, in my estimate seven or eight above Poilievre. You are a severe leftist. You would think Hitler would sound better than Poilievre. I listened to his speech, it was decent. You'd expect that, he's had a long time to prep for this one. But there were many problems . First, i noticed that a lot of the times when he paused for applause, there wasn't any. Or very little . Which suggests that he's got platform elements that are not resonating with people . Kamala harris had that problem too. He has a lot of contradictions which is problematic. He's trying to say at the same time that he's deeply tied to the party and proud of what it's done while at the same time Canadians demand and need change.... from the same people he just said he's tied to and proud of. "I'm new and i'm also old" at the same time is something again Kammy tried to sell and she absolutely did not pull it off, i'm not sure he will be able to either. He's also going to try to paint polievre as hitler. He's not going after his policies (he can't, he's stealing them ) so it's basically "polievre is trump and trump is hitler." I don't know how effective that will be. Trying to 'out bulldog polievre seems like a losing strategy to me. Especially when you're also trying to sell the idea that we 'must end the divisions", in one breath he's going on about how we may disagree on policy but we agree on much and in the next he's saying that the conservatives are evil terrible people and trump worshippers. One thing is clear - that was an election speech if i ever heard one. We're probably going to get an election announcement next week 34 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Because they did once already? But they didn't. Donny ran roughshod over them last time. You don't say 'i know how to win a race against that guy because i lost to him last time" Quote
Legato Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 43 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Because they did once already? It was a two horse race and the Liberals came third. Quote
ironstone Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 hour ago, myata said: I listened to Carney just now and I have to admit that as a leader he stands levels, in my estimate seven or eight above Poilievre. Here is a better speech 1 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Michael Hardner Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 38 minutes ago, Legato said: It was a two horse race and the Liberals came third. Trump called the deal that he architected incredibly unfair.... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
CdnFox Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Trump called the deal that he architected incredibly unfair.... So trump is your moral compass now? My me my 1 Quote
Aristides Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 3 hours ago, -TSS- said: He can thank Donald Trump for the increasing support for the Canadian Liberals since doubtlessly most Canadians regardless pf their political views are disgusted with Trump's silly comments about international comments including those of Canada. So far, Trump has been a godsend to the Liberals. Will that continue into an election? Stay tuned. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 37 minutes ago, Aristides said: So far, Trump has been a godsend to the Liberals. Will that continue into an election? Stay tuned. As per my prediction thread we could find out tomorrow. The thing is, campaigns matter. They matter far more than most people realize and in this case they will probably either end in one of the better upsets of our history or a severely crushing defeat for the liberals But it is true that he gave them an opening. We'll see whether or not they are able to exploit it Quote
I am Groot Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 4 hours ago, herbie said: There it is, Mark Carney is the new Liberal leader with 86% of the vote. I know I"m shocked. Who could have foreseen this!? 39 minutes ago, Aristides said: So far, Trump has been a godsend to the Liberals. Will that continue into an election? Stay tuned. If the Liberals have their way this will be a one topic election focused solely on Trump. 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Because they did once already? That was a different Trump. This one, you may have noticed, is a lot meaner and doesn't have to care about votes. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 minute ago, I am Groot said: If the Liberals have their way this will be a one topic election focused solely on Trump. I don't know if that's going to work that well for them. Carney has a lot of ghosts in the closet when it comes to that kind of stuff, he's heavily exposed to being called out for his moving his company which most people still don't know about, and for his attempts at tax evasion. And as his role as a Canadian loyalist he's very open to the just visiting slogan the slaughtered Ignatieff. If they focus on that and it fails at all they could be in for a worse defeat than they would have been with Trudeau Quote
Barquentine Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 I actually listened to a big chunk of PP's speech today. I was expecting more. Still using the same old slogans, making a lot of big promises "bring prices down, get the economy fired up,.... essentially the same stump speech Trump gave, and like Trump, no no good explanation of how he would do those things. I think PP will win the election, but there's peril for both parties. If the Liberals don't put up a good showing after putting all their eggs in the Carney basket, they'll be in the political wilderness for a few years. And if the Pcs don't win by a big enough margin, they'll be hamstrung by having to lean on someone else to stay in power. Interesting times. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 32 minutes ago, Barquentine said: I actually listened to a big chunk of PP's speech today. I was expecting more. Still using the same old slogans, making a lot of big promises "bring prices down, get the economy fired up,.... essentially the same stump speech Trump gave, and like Trump, no no good explanation of how he would do those things. LOL it's absolutely nothing like trump's speech However, if you focus on the policy stuff PP's speech and Carney's have a lot of similarities. I think the libs are trying to return to chretien's sort of "soft right" liberals. Which is why he featured so prominently today. You're correct in that he's still saying the same things he has for a year and change now. Many would think that NOT flip flopping on things like the carbon tax etc is a GOOD thing in a politician. Quote I think PP will win the election, but there's peril for both parties. If the Liberals don't put up a good showing after putting all their eggs in the Carney basket, they'll be in the political wilderness for a few years. And if the Pcs don't win by a big enough margin, they'll be hamstrung by having to lean on someone else to stay in power. Interesting times. Campaigns matter. That's when the actual policy planks get trotted out, that's when people pay serious attention and everything and everyone is under a microscope and every mistake you've made in the last 40 years is going to be put out by the other guys. And in canada we know anything can happen in a campaign, even more so than most other countries. I think you sum it up nicely though. The CPC will still be going into the fight with the angles and the altitude but not decisively, and the liberals are hoping to save the furniture and set up for a real leadership race and gun for the next election. But one slip up could see a huge upset for PP or the libs being all but wiped out and coming in 4th place. I'd still bet on the libs at around 50 seats. Which would be very bad for them but not an unmitigated disaster like kim campbell had. But anything can happen. Quote
eyeball Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 58 minutes ago, Barquentine said: And if the Pcs don't win by a big enough margin, they'll be hamstrung by having to lean on someone else to stay in power A minority is what I'm hoping for, I could care less who wins just so long as they don't have a majority. I'd rather see Parliamentarians negotiation and cooperating. That said, whenever there is an election it'll likely be an ugly one...lots of trolling...name calling...accusing... It is what it is, the tone of the times. In any case, there's no point voting for either PP or Carney where I live. Neither of their parties ever do well here federally or provincially. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 5 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Why do people see the Libs as being better at handling Trump than PP’s Cons? People are nervous that PP can't seem to distance himself from his far right supporters. The very sort of pro MAGA, anti-vaccine, anti-woke conspiracy minded chuds who frequent this place. Close to 10% of voters and by my estimation that makes up about a 1/3 of PP's base of support. I expect he'll tone it down and the chuds will smile and understand he needs to signal his virtue but make no mistake, he'll be the politician who needs to be concerned about the Randy White effect 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 Dropping JT looks like it was a good idea for the Liberals. Of course, the big factor is south of the border and I doubt if even Trump knows what he’s going to do next on the Canada tariff file. I’d say many Liberal MPs feel they now have a fighting chance of hanging onto their seats. Enough to stay in government? Who can say. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 Sad that so many Canadians are so gullible that they would fall for carbon tax Carney. He is much the same as Trudeau and the Liberal cabinet. Only a few years ago, Carney said in Europe that he was an European. He was a big figure in the World Economic Forum and some kind of climate change representative in the U.N. So he is a globalist and a fanatical believer in Trudeau's war on climate change. He also opposed pipelines in Canada. He will be no better than Trudeau. Trudeau said to the Liberal crowd at the election results convention today that Canada is not guaranteed. Sound familiar? He reportedly said in the past Canada is a post-national state. Does this sound like a strong patriotic Canadian? Who could trust Liberals to really defend Canada? Only the gullible. Quote
Barquentine Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: I'd still bet on the libs at around 50 seats. Which would be very bad for them but not an unmitigated disaster like kim campbell had. But anything can happen. Also could be Singh's swansong. Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 8 hours ago, eyeball said: A minority is what I'm hoping for, I could care less who wins just so long as they don't have a majority. I'd rather see Parliamentarians negotiation and cooperating. That said, whenever there is an election it'll likely be an ugly one...lots of trolling...name calling...accusing... It is what it is, the tone of the times. In any case, there's no point voting for either PP or Carney where I live. Neither of their parties ever do well here federally or provincially. Like the last 2 liberal minority governments??? Negotiations??? Where? Cooperation? When? Liberals were the offical government but the NDP were the ones getting what they want if they supported liberals or nothing was done Minority governments do not work either. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
WestCanMan Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 11 hours ago, I am Groot said: If the Liberals have their way this will be a one topic election focused solely on Trump. That sounds exactly like the Dems 🤣 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
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