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interesting article by Prof. David Honig of Indiana University The best, most cogent and elegantly simple explanation into the inexplicably destructive negotiating processes of the president "The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can’t demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. " "Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it. " "For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101" "From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn't even bringing checkers to a chess match. "

Let’s recap the FACTS before the MAGA cultists can get their gaslighting revisionism together 1) Dictator On Day One (DODO)threatened tariffs under false pretences, repeatedly trolled Canada about becoming the 51st state and using “economic force” to annex Canada 2) The drugs and illegal immigrants from Canada are a statistical zero, contrary to FODOs lies 3) DODO’s claim that Canada refused requests to help crackdown on the (nom-existent) fentanyl and human smuggling are a lie He also cited a number of other various lies about Canada as justification most of which HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TRADE so can’t be solved with Tariffs 4)Canada introduced a $1.3 Billion increase to border security anyway just to appease DODO 5) DODO said there’s nothing Canada can do to avoid tariffs and could never clearly state what exactly he wanted Canada to do or when he would be satisfied 6) Despite refusing to take JTs phone calls or have any communication woth Canadian officials, as soon as we announce countermeasures he call JT twice in one day, described the call as “pretty good” and stopped the trolling and annexation talk. DODO “postponing” his tariffs for “30 days” is just his path of retreat so he can change the subject and move on to something else. He lost. He is not going to revisit this in 30 days. All Canada had to do was offer a few symbolic toke gestures…even though Trump had just said there was nothing Canada could do to avoid his tariffs. The bully tried to take our lunch money, we popped in the nose and now he’s fading away.

RFK’s hearings remove all doubt: He’s not fit to lead a key federal health agency "Look, it’s never wrong to ask questions, even about “settled” science. But Kennedy has spent a near-lifetime promoting a dangerous, outright lie about vaccines, even in the face of hard proof that they work. That might’ve dissuaded many people from getting them and then later contracting illnesses they could’ve prevented. Oh, and by coincidence, his anti-Big Pharma claims just so happen to supply ammunition for fellow lawyers suing those companies. Kennedy’s bizarre beliefs go even further: He’s bought into conspiracy theories that the generally acknowledged story of 9/11 isn’t to be believed. He’s stood by claims that “electromagnetic radiation” from Wi-Fi “changes DNA” and is linked to cancer. Most of all, Kennedy lacks basic skills to run a large federal agency, particularly one where “following the science” is actually vital. True, he does support some worthwhile lifestyle changes that can make folks healthier — like better diets and exercise. But there’s too much wackiness in his background to trust America’s health to such a figure. Senators need to block RFK Jr.’s nomination — and keep America healthy again."

Trump got gains from this trade game. What did Canada get? Also, a significant reason why Trump took a stick to Canada is the ridiculous woke-green mess that Trudeau has championed in the West, a mess that has shamed Canada and cost Canadians countless billions. Trudeau must go. The wake up call from this is that we must never make ourselves so vulnerable again, neither in trade nor militarily, unless we want to become de facto Puerto Rico, which Canada is now. At least Puerto Rico uses the U.S. dollar. Our currency is weak and we earn significantly less than Americans now. We were in better economic shape than Americans a decade ago. I wonder what changed?

I just went to the grocery store tonight. The Canadian stickers were handy and supports your local farmer or BC produce. Most Canadians see this as an attack on their neighbor, not on Trudeau which is why it triggered an American boycott.

LMAO the fake reality you live in! This is a victory for Canada. Trudeau just re-announced his December border plan with a couple of small tweaks. To stop the imaginary fentanyl that doesn’t exist. Trump retreated from his illegal cash grab and this is his way out. Trump lost bigly

lol so the plan we'd already announced? Holy shit Trump is the easiest mark, no wonder Elon was able to take over the presidency.

Scott Moe had an interesting idea. He asked Trudeau to put CBSA under military command. That way the $2.6 billion ottawa spends on CBSA could then be reclassified as 'military spending'.

Trump's purge is targeting career prosecutors, not political appointees, so I don't know how he can get away with it. It's not safe to do your job anymore in the US.

Trump pauses Canadian tariffs for 30 days in deal with Trudeau Trump blinks again! now its about banks and cars? wtf? like Canada doesn't buy cars? Trump mistaken, U.S. banks can and do operate in Canada US still paying as Canadians stop buying US products and US alcohol still off the shelf. Go Canada!

He says the same thing about all his attributes. I'd put more stock in what Stormy Daniels thinks. He will, don't worry

I would not say that Canada won.. they acquiesced to Trump. It was a rational choice. Just hope that this does not affect my trip to Toronto in September.

Unless PP turns out to be a dictator, who takes away our rights and freedoms, and rules with an iron fist, I am sure he will run a foul of Trump. Trump only respects fellow "strongmen" like Orban, Putin, Kim Jung Un, etc. His brain cannot comprehend why people would do anything to help people, or want to make the World a better place.

This topic is about abandoning Ukraine so I think this is an appropriate place to discuss tens of billions in missing aid money that supposedly went to that country. Once again, specifically...billions in Ukraine aid money....unaccounted for. You're not even curious in the slightest about this?

And Ford, who is going to Washington. And Moe who is going to Washington. And Legault who said he will not hold electricity to the US. And New Brunswicks Holt that also said it will still sell electricity to the US and Saskatchewan will still sell potash to the US. chrissy....we do not have a united Canada...we have a bunch of independent provincial czars LOL Unfortunately for you, Trudeau is hated by the whole world, especially Trump and most Canadians. He has turned off everyone in the world. He was as much a bully to Canadians as trump is now LOL The liberals have run their course and will all but disappear form our federal political playground...just like they did in the provincial Ontario playground LOL

Seapower is strategic power, the ultimate arm of decision also a great jobs program, something Canada can build in Canada never mind the costs, a tariff war would cost hundreds of billions meanwhile Chantier-Davie is just sitting there on the St. Lawrence waiting for the GoC to order some ships build two LHD / Drone Carriers LHD-100 HMCS Juno LHD-101 HMCS Vimy if the Aussies can do it, why not Canada ?

if only we could leverage all this patriotic fervour for the RCN "okay, Trump, we'll join your war against China, but we want into AUKUS" "never mind 12 SSK's, those are useless in the Arctic, we want SSN's, we'll buy four of them right now" SSN-880 HMCS Resolute SSN-881 HMCS Repulse SSN-882 HMCS Rideau SSN-883 HMCS Rimouski

Prosecuting CRIMES is NOT "weaponizes the law," LIAR. It is and always has been the US criminal justice system. Duh

You got that backwards. And trudeau caved and said he woudln't take action without the support of all premiers, and sask and one other province took her side, and if anything she dressed him down pointing out it's his fault alberta only has one customer. Nice try tho

Exactly. They are a lying fake new propaganda outlet, but they are predictable in that their lies always slant in favour of the Dems. If even CNN can't try to make the case that these firings are related to Trump's own persecution then it's obviously true.

You don't appear to have much idea of what it is all about. " The Trans Mountain Expansion Project was controversial due to its potential environmental impact. It faced legal challenges, as well as challenges from environmentalists and First Nations groups on the grounds of inadequate consultation of the pipeline route passing through unceded indigenous land. A Supreme Court decision on July 2, 2020, that rejected the appeals made by First Nations and environmental groups, "[brought] an end to the years-long legal challenge".[8] On August 31, 2018, the Government of Canada purchased the pipeline for $4.7 billion[9] from Kinder Morgan through the creation of the Trans Mountain Corporation (TMC), in order to "keep the project alive".[10] TMC is a Crown corporation, a subsidiary of the Canada Development Investment Corporation (CDEV).[11] Until the purchase by CDEV, the Trans Mountain Pipeline was owned by the Houston–based pipeline operator's Canadian division." Trans Mountain pipeline - Wikipedia The original TMC pipeline went into operation in 1953. TMC was trying to increase it's capacity but was faced with many environmental and aboriginal groups opposing it as well as court challenges. Since it was the only pipeline from the oil producing province of Alberta, it had to be built. It was essential to protect the economy and jobs of Alberta. With all the opposition to building it, the federal government had no choice but to step in and get it completed. This had nothing to do with Harper. Harper left office in 2015 and the expansion was being held up by all the opposition including opposition by the anti-pipeline BC NDP government and municipalities of Burnaby and Vancouver. It was politics holding it up. It is very hard to get any pipelines built in Canada because of the countless opposition groups. But the TMC pipeline was essential to the economy of Alberta and Canada. So the federal government had to take over. The liberals killed the Northern Gateway pipeline shortly after they were elected in 2015 and also killed the Energy East pipeline. The did little or nothing to deal with all the opposition from FNs and environmentalists and anti-pipeline politicians in Canada.

I agree, and we don’t even consume our own oil and make our own gas out of it for domestic consumption. We rely on Texas. We can’t pump it east because of Quebec resistance. Well Quebec better realize that if we lose our independence, all the bilingual kowtowing to Laurentian elites and pouring money into Quebec ends immediately. Oh and the BC elders stopping BC pipelines can hand over their status cards to Washington. This is why Canadians need to take a hard look at our “Canadian” federal government, which has not served our sovereignty or Canada’s interests.

Sure. So what? This is today. Want to hear about the oppression and injustice the Irish went through? "I have seen the Indian in his forest and the negro in his chains, and I thought as I contemplated their pitiable conditions, that I saw the very extreme of human wretchedness, but I did not then know the condition of unfortunate Ireland." "No Irish or dogs allowed" Ever heard of the Holocaust? For a 30 year period, it was required that all children, incl native children, attend school. If there wasn't one nearby they had to go to a residential school. This period ended in 1950. At its height, no more than a third of native kids attended residential schools. I see. Would you like to talk about the mass cultural trauma of Jews? They seem to be doing pretty well, regardless. And without colonialization where would they be now? Still living a hand-to-mouth existence as savages with an average lifespan of about 30 years.

Has he blamed the collapse of his tariff plan on DEI yet?

Why would you want to "get immigrants"????? The place is totally screwed up from the irresponsible and mindless flood of inappropriate and incompatible cultures over the last decade.

Trump didn't think something through? Said something stupid? We've been watching this same shitshow for a decade already.

Wow we actually agree on something for once

Depends how much you like authoritarian dictators with a cult of personality.

They're fired.

oh yeah, he is the chess genius who is 10 steps ahead at all times. i'd argue the opposite. he shoots in the dark to see what happens. often shooting himself in the foot. this is a good case in point. he implemented maximum leverage before even sitting down to the negotiating table and discovered that he had no leverage. so how the hell are you going to negotiate when the party opposite have already experienced that you have no cards? no, ideally you threaten leverage... hoping that the other side also view it as such. and then you slowly extract what you want while holding that leverage over their heads. particularly if that leverage is untested. he did the opposite.

Sure. I was saying months ago a Trump victory preceding a Canadian election would provide all the pause Canadians would need to recall why they're wary of right wing politicians and their warped vision for the world. I'm not saying Poilievre won't win but it'll be with nowhere near the majority he might have had and with nowhere near the margin of support he'll need to secure more than one majority. Meanwhile, Americans will probably be ready to elect the Green Party once Trump is finished with them.

I predict a long series of very short posts from you over the next few weeks till they realize you've got them pegged

Because now they see the US as an even more unreliable partner...to the point of being a threat. It's all so much water under the bridge now with Trump flooding the world with shit.

No he did not. If anything, he united Canadians, and underestimated our response. The only thing this will accomplish, is for Canada to become more militant in negotiations, the next time around. We don't take threats too lightly, and it seems neither does Mexico, Colombia or the EU.

i wouldn't be surprised if he did... but not in those words. i mean, at this point, when Trump wants to "talk" then you know he is looking for an exit. the DJI took a dump and JT knows that Trump is not going to proceed with what he's threatened.

They are a preditor, that have killed off alot of small stores. Move to the edge of a small town and kill offs it businesses. And most of that money goes straight to Arkansas, to feed one family.

I'll give you a little device to help you remember. "Looser" is how your butthole feels after the gigolo in the Trump mask leaves. "Loser" is what he calls you while you sub.

absolutely true! but when he was able to get the words out they made perfect sense from the perspective of administrative policy of the country. when he got the words out he wasn't talking about immigrants eating peoples pets, or revenge against those he hated, or the beauty of economic tariffs, or Hannibal Lecter, or that shower heads go drip drip drip, or Putin is a great guy, that Kim Jong Un is a great guy, Mark Milley deserves to die, anything about sharks, the election was rigged, Mexico will pay for the wall, all immigrants are violent, grabbing women by the ****, banging pornstars while your wife is pregnant, political opponents should be in jail, J6th riot was a beautiful day... i can't list it all and you know it.

We have no interest in punishing people for being Americans we're punishing TRUMP and his enablers. You miss the memo? Foregoing Florida orange juice for a while is bugger all a price to pay, hopefully we'll see an exodus of snowbirds and visitors to go along with that, Punishing Washington State isn't high on the list.

Biden is f!ckin Einstein in comparison! a wet napkin is relatively smart next to Trump. Biden was behind one of the biggest infrastructure programs in the last century. renewable energy is now the second largest provider of electricity in the US and growing. the economy recovered faster than any other country from COVID inflation and is now on steroids. 10M jobs were created. salaries have outpaced inflation. millions more have health care coverage. family net worth spiked. he wasn't perfect. the southern border was a mess. more importantly the president does f)ck all anyways. its his team that does the work and comes up with the plans and often the very ideas. Biden was surrounded by a team of smart cookies. Trump fired all of his team many times his first term and now its just TV prompt readers.

yep! you got shit for brains president now. he's clearly dumb as a post! hahahaa! i definitely was concerned over this tarriff stuff. that he was truly INSANE. i take that back. he's a baby. he's desperate for ideas and understands none of the complexities of how his government works, how the economy works, geo politics... all of it!

There are a lot of clever people here, there and everywhere trying to make sense out of a senile sociopath’s ramblings.

Trumps ENTIRE economic agenda is in the toilet! you can't see that this was a total walkback? that he was struggling to find anything to chalk this up as a win? the DJI just took a dump! his entire economic agenda was based on tariffs to raise government income for tax cuts. that just went down the toilet. now he's got... NOTHING. its too complicated for him and his TV prompt readers.

There's no winning for either side. If Trump was actually interested in policy objectives, he'd make clear demands and negotiate them rather than conjure up fantasies about the Canada-US cross-border fentanyl trade. What he's doing here, instead, is to walk into the room and take a big shit on the table...for reasons.

and add to that most Walmart product is Chinese sourced not American sourced.

That is irrelevant to the crime he committed. If he stumbles across a minor in an alley and then has sex with here... it is not a defense or relevant fact that he was not looking for one. Irrelevant. If he had, he would have been charged and found guilty of actually engaging in sexual relations with a minor/rape.

Trump is a bully. He is very hostile to Canada because he doesn't like Canada's leaders. He doesn't understand how the world works and thinks he alone can change the world so that every other country are slaves to his country. He was on the news again this morning insulting Canada. He treats America's closest ally like an enemy of some kind. He is doing great harm in the world. He is a psychopath and displays hate constantly. The next four years will be difficult. It is very unpleasant to listen to him.

Lmao...yeah...you take a left wing hate group and use them to classify anyone you hate as a hate group. The Southern Poverty Law Center has lost all credibility The Southern Poverty Law Center’s Bias Exposed Southern Poverty Law Center: Biased, Opportunistic, and Illegitimate SPLC denounced as ‘thoroughly disgraced’ after labeling pro-life, family organizations as ‘hate groups’ An independent review conducted by an AllSides team member found that the SPLC deserves a Left rating. The review found that SPLC focuses almost exclusively on issues associated with the political left, and will sometimes publish stories supporting Democratic Party policies or agenda items. SPLC rarely, if ever, does this for Republican causes. The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate-based scam that nearly caused me to be murdered

Yes, but if Julius Caesar gets tossed, we have an Octavius Caesar in a heartbeat. It is Caesar's role to ensure the citizens are served. It costs money to operate a 21st century government and on Tuesday, it is going to cost a lot more. We see our fellow corespondents on this forum complaining about high taxes at one moment, but then say we need to spend another $50 billion to give to NATO. While I am a firm believer in NATO, when the rubber its the road, I've been assured NATO will not protect us. Canada does not have the capacity to prevent invasion.