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Posted
1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

no

let the Post National State burn in a fire of its own making

the Normies deserve to suffer for enabling the Woke Progressive lunatic left

rejoice at so called "Canada" being rendered into a disaster area

just desserts

Well that would be the nuclear option.  😉

Posted
1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

He sold out to Russia. he took money from Russia, to push anti-Western narratives. He cannot live with himself. He is a drug addict, due to the fact that he essentially committed treason, and cannot face himself in the mirror.

Canada wins in the end.

When we suppress free speech nobody wins. It's like NATO.... an attack on one is an attack on all.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trump plans to pull America out of NATO.

Trump has a habit of saying a lot of things not because that's what he wants, but to use as a bargaining chip to get what he really wants. Last time in office he used it as a threat to get Nato members to pay the full 2% of GDP that they were committed to paying. Now they're discussing raising it well above 2%.  Why would someone who wanted out of Nato coerce/shame other members into paying their fair share.  You tell me.

Posted (edited)
25 minutes ago, suds said:

Trump has a habit of saying a lot of things not because that's what he wants, but to use as a bargaining chip to get what he really wants. Last time in office he used it as a threat to get Nato members to pay the full 2% of GDP that they were committed to paying. Now they're discussing raising it well above 2%.  Why would someone who wanted out of Nato coerce/shame other members into paying their fair share.  You tell me.

Trump definitely will try to pull the US out of NATO. Well above 2% GDP for all NATO countries is ridiculous. The writing is on the wall, and NATO allies are better prepared to deal with belligerent nations (I.e. Russia) without the United States.

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Posted
40 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trump definitely will try to pull the US out of NATO. Well above 2% GDP for all NATO countries is ridiculous. The writing is on the wall, and NATO allies are better prepared to deal with belligerent nations (I.e. Russia) without the United States.

Yeah, right. If this is 'truth' why not back it up with some evidence?

Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well sort of. I respected his point of view when the controversy around the proposed legislation came up. He did recant at the House of Commons committee, and then later traded in his potential role as a sober intellectual leader for the top hat and red blazer of the circus Master in the culture war circus. 

He's a contemptible p!ss aunt.

He has gone too far down whatever rabbit-hole he's chosen.  A victim of either 1. fame, 2. wealth, 3. the bitterness/anger caused by millions of people constantly attacking you and trying to destroy you.  Probably a combo of all 3.

However, I do very much admire the courage of his convictions.  If you shared his beliefs would you speak out about them in your workplace?  I wouldn't.  Maybe he had the protection of tenure.  But his personal and professional relationships would have been affected as well.  Like posting an unpopular opinion on Facebook x100.  People don't like the cultural hegemony challenged, as the leftists likes to say. 😉

They've gone after him through his professional association membership because that's the only place they can silence him.  "They" being random people on the internet lodging the complaints, not his actual clients or students.

Like it or not, and for better or worse, America is the last bastion for freedom in the western world.  Liberty has costs and they pay for it in blood (including COVID deaths).

Edited by Moonlight Graham

"All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain

Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.

Posted
47 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Like it or not, and for better or worse, America is the last bastion for freedom in the western world.  Liberty has costs and they pay for it in blood (including COVID deaths).

There it is again! I've been seeing this embrace of the horror more and more - a repudiation of trying to baffle history with bullshit and a commitment to dazzle it with huzzah! It's a personal investment in ownership that's truly inspiring. Wait till dougie sees this, he really twigs to this over-the-wire-we-go stuff.

Semper fidelis!

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

Posted
27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There it is again! I've been seeing this embrace of the horror more and more - a repudiation of trying to baffle history with bullshit and a commitment to dazzle it with huzzah! It's a personal investment in ownership that's truly inspiring. Wait till dougie sees this, he really twigs to this over-the-wire-we-go stuff.

Semper fidelis!

Nobody even knows what you're rambling about you lunatic.

I guess if you can't Make a point using regular English then just spitting out baffling bullsh*t I seem like a reasonable alternative. Seems to work for myata :) 

Posted
4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1. If you shared his beliefs would you speak out about them in your workplace?  I wouldn't.  Maybe he had the protection of tenure.  But his personal and professional relationships would have been affected as well.  Like posting an unpopular opinion on Facebook x100.  People don't like the cultural hegemony challenged, as the leftists likes to say. 😉

2. They've gone after him through his professional association membership because that's the only place they can silence him.  "They" being random people on the internet lodging the complaints, not his actual clients or students.

3. Like it or not, and for better or worse, America is the last bastion for freedom in the western world.  Liberty has costs and they pay for it in blood (including COVID deaths).

1. I don't share my beliefs in my workplace now, and in corporate you actually rarely do - even if they're centrist.  I guess the point you're making is that academia has leftist groupthink.  Maybe so.  For Peterson, though, it's a very unique case that goes beyond his ideas, which themselves are sometimes bonkers and ill-founded.

2. "They" also doesn't mean the professional association that has to respond to complaints and assess them.  Why his professional association even matters to him is beyond me.  He abandoned therapy long ago to star in the circus.  I rather suspect that being challenged on his therapist credentials is better for him professionally than not.

3. If you define 'Freedom' as being a cultural space where a body of public figures criticize and taunt trans people and are cheered on, then maybe.  If you want to get an education and improve yourself from poverty, if you want to have a baby without paying out of pocket, if you want walk around your city and not get mugged... maybe not so much.

I'm just saying that "Freedom" is a philosophical concept and a personal parameter that allows people to climb Maslow's hierarchy of needs, not simply the right to mouth off.  And as for the second matter, I'm pretty sure you can get in the same trouble in the US as in Canada in certain quarters.

-------------

But really this post is about our longstanding differences on the value of Peterson as a public figure.  I'm biased against him as I thought he was going to be a unifying figure and was hugely disappointed in the circus act.

Posted
10 hours ago, herbie said:

My sentiments exactly.

Is that what you're calling the bong refills now?

Posted
14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

He sold out to Russia. he took money from Russia, to push anti-Western narratives. He cannot live with himself. He is a drug addict, due to the fact that he essentially committed treason, and cannot face himself in the mirror.

Canada wins in the end.

Funny how you guys are always going on about the Russian boogeyman but don't blink an eye when Justin Trudeau publicly states how much he admires Communist China.

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell

Posted
10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hyperbole.  

a White Supremacist Settler Colonial Genocidal Abomination

supplanted by a Post National State with no core identity

there's no coming back from that

Posted
9 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Funny how you guys are always going on about the Russian boogeyman

the desperate gasping Russia Hoax conspiracy theory is literally all these leftist losers have to cling to now

" never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake " ~ Bonaparte

Posted (edited)
15 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

enjoy spiralling into economic decline while Peterson jets off to America to be rich and famous

Funny thing, when Americans threaten to leave the USA, there isn't a better place for them to go. 

They could go further south, but it's not necessary because Florida, California and other states are warm enough. It just gets too hot if you mouth south of there.

They can't go any further north than Alaska, and who'd want to?

They can't go to a place with better universities, bigger cities, more sporting events/cultural events, or more or better anything. 

When Canadians want to leave Canada there are hundreds of better places to go. The sun is up for 8 hrs a day here in winter in Langley and even then it's usually cloudy or raining. Right now it's cloudy, raining, and really windy, and it's also only 7 degrees Celsius. Not even ducks like this weather. They all f'd off months ago.

It couldn't possibly be any uglier out there. Gimme -10 with 2 feet of snow on the ground and some sunshine any day over this crap. Better yet... Costa Rica, Florida, Greece, Croatia, Cancun...

I'm happy for Canadians who fly the coop. Especially with Wonderdunce leading the country. 

Edited by WestCanMan

If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. 

"If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"

Posted
13 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trump definitely will try to pull the US out of NATO. Well above 2% GDP for all NATO countries is ridiculous. The writing is on the wall, and NATO allies are better prepared to deal with belligerent nations (I.e. Russia) without the United States.

the hysteria about America withdrawing from NATO is rather unfounded

since America maintains a parallel United States European Command at Brussels

so America withdrawing from NATO wouldn't actually change much

for example, there is no Indo-Pacific NATO

yet America is the Hegemon in the Pacific more so than in Europe

Posted
12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody even knows what you're rambling about you lunatic.

Sure they do, but I guess it's still a little politically incorrect to embrace how much death was required to ensure the old liberty tree didn't die as well. It was a heroic sacrifice don't you think?

How many more Canadian deaths would saving a few Bouncy Castles be worth? Somewhere between 1300 and 3300 deaths per million or even more?

Maybe next time.

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Posted
14 hours ago, eyeball said:

There it is again! I've been seeing this embrace of the horror more and more - a repudiation of trying to baffle history with bullshit and a commitment to dazzle it with huzzah! It's a personal investment in ownership that's truly inspiring. Wait till dougie sees this, he really twigs to this over-the-wire-we-go stuff.

Semper fidelis!

No I'm not "embracing" anything, I'm stating facts.  My point was that many Americans were not willing to trade liberty and basic rights for safety/ security in some instances during COVID.  They had their freedom and paid for it in blood.  

That's not what I supported, but I'm not American.  If you want more liberty, for better or worse, move to the US.  You might get shot and get stuck with a healthcare bill, you'll be more free.  To each their own.

"All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain

Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.

Posted (edited)

Lots of Canadian citizens live in the US and a lot of US  citizens live in Canada. Big deal.

About 275,000 Americans live in Canada, the only country with more is Mexico.

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Posted
19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Hell, they could even pretend to be muslim and then see what happens to their women if they don't cover up. 

the Woke Progressive white women are bringing it upon themselves

we may have been forced to give them the vote

but unless it is my wife, I am not bound by any oath to save lunatic leftist white women from themselves

if forced to choose between effeminate post modern Cultural Marxism

or hyper patriarchal Sharia Law

I'll go with Sharia every single time

oh noes, women have no rights,  while men can do as we please ; pretty sure I'll learn to deal

Posted
26 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

No I'm not "embracing" anything, I'm stating facts.  My point was that many Americans were not willing to trade liberty and basic rights for safety/ security in some instances during COVID.  They had their freedom and paid for it in blood.

Paid willingly at the time or in hindsight to rationalize away the horrific death toll?

33 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

That's not what I supported, but I'm not American.  If you want more liberty, for better or worse, move to the US.  You might get shot and get stuck with a healthcare bill, you'll be more free.  To each their own.

Apparently real patriots just man up and die once the health insurance runs out - they won't be caught dead whining about social healthcare.

Brings a lump to your throat just thinking about it.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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