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Posted
45 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm going to stop right there. That's incorrect. He stated in an interview at the time that he would use pronouns if asked, presumably politely.

But they did not ask, let alone politely...did they.

Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.

Posted
47 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

My feelings exactly.

The overwrought drama over this goofy person is deeply telling about the state of our divided intellectual space.  

People's positions matter more than the content of their philosophies.

I'll ask you the same as I asked Moonbat.

What makes you Peterson is a "goofy person"? Quotes of his will do.

I'll wait.

Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.

Posted
52 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I think we all know the answer to that, but they say a picture is worth a thousand words, so here it goes:

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Ahhh the typical response of a wet noodle who's been faced with truth. Fall back on the ol' NAZI accusation...and run like Hell.

Well done...spaghetti.

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Posted
2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

It's a "nothing burger." 

The whole issue is insignificant. Transgender people make up 0.5% of the population. Most are on the fringes of society, and there are none that I know of in Western Canada, that have high ranking, or influential positions (judges, politicians, etc). Most see it for what it is- BS propaganda.

Hey @Nationalist, someone on the left wants to know "Why are we even talking about this?"   LOLOL

I swear to god it's like there's some sort of weird course they all take these days. Or a "Socialisming on the internet for dummies" book or something :) 

DUI, you go ahead and tell the trans that they're just a 'nothingburger' and they should shut up because they're a tiny portion of the public and Not important as you say.   We'll wait.  :) 

One person's rights are important. Never mind half a percent of the population's rights. Something you lefties never seem to quite get. 

The problem is they want to go beyond their rights and take away rights from other people without justification. That's where there's a problem. 

But if its such a minor thing, then you go tell them to knock it off, stay out of the school curriculums, stop going on about bathrooms and showers, and lets reverse the laws that compel speech.  

 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Hey @Nationalist, someone on the left wants to know "Why are we even talking about this?"   LOLOL

I swear to god it's like there's some sort of weird course they all take these days. Or a "Socialisming on the internet for dummies" book or something :) 

DUI, you go ahead and tell the trans that they're just a 'nothingburger' and they should shut up because they're a tiny portion of the public and Not important as you say.   We'll wait.  :) 

One person's rights are important. Never mind half a percent of the population's rights. Something you lefties never seem to quite get. 

The problem is they want to go beyond their rights and take away rights from other people without justification. That's where there's a problem. 

But if its such a minor thing, then you go tell them to knock it off, stay out of the school curriculums, stop going on about bathrooms and showers, and lets reverse the laws that compel speech.  

 

Can you tell us a few good things about Canada? 

Describe our country for us...

Posted
3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Can you tell us a few good things about Canada? 

Describe our country for us...

You said you'd get me a note from your psychiatrist before I enabled you like this, do you have it yet ?

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Posted
6 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Can you tell us a few good things about Canada? 

Describe our country for us...

Now what the stinking Hell does that have to do with the topic at hand?

You're now just trying to deflect the topic because you can't stand on your non-existent principals.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Now what the stinking Hell does that have to do with the topic at hand?

You're now just trying to deflect the topic because you can't stand on your non-existent principals.

He's doing the old "Accuse them of what we do" Routine.

I've said a lot of good things about Canada. It might be a little broken right now but we can certainly fix it.

His side on the other hand has been all about pulling down statues, rewriting history to sound more negative, burning churches, They spent a whole year trying to cancel every single candidate celebration across the nation, constantly claiming Canada is colonial and needs to be destroyed, etc etc

 

 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

So freedom of expression, tolerance, inclusion make you say hell no? 

Nice try.

I think you know exactly what I mean so I'm not sparring with you.

Freedom of expression doesn't force the object of that expression on others. Tolerance is extended out of respect and kindness. It should be accepted in the same spirit and with the knowledge that tolerance, by any definition, isn't indicative of eagerness to participate in the activity (or belief) being tolerated.

Religious freedom of expression is a thing too but nativity scenes in the public square, after school bible study clubs, and secret baptisms conducted without parental consent might find you humming a different tune. 

I don't force my faith on others, in fact, I rarely even mention it. The fact that I don't know a single gay or trans person who thinks radical activism is beneficial to them or even tolerant of people who don't happen to share their views (or lifestyle) is enough for me to suggest you pushed this too hard, too far, and too fast. They would be the first to tell you that too.

The tolerant people you now point and laugh at have ample cause to suck back and reload, and that's exactly what my (albeit few) acquaintances were fearful of.

Bad tactical decision, you should have taken yes for an answer, done your own thing and minded your own damn business. 

Just like you expect Christians to do.  

 

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

This is true, and in the early days of Jordan Peterson's fame I supported him and thought he was a pretty smart dude, bravely speaking out against the thought-police at universities etc. 

Since then, he's become a charlatan and a circus act - just a loud grievance peddler cashing out on angst and making notoriety and attention the goal, rather than the consequence of what he says.  

Interesting response. 

So, you agree with what he says, you are just now not liking that he is famous (or using his fame as he is) and you think his motives have changed to just making money off of it... but you do still agree with him. 

 

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LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."

 

Posted
3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

It's a "nothing burger." 

The whole issue is insignificant. Transgender people make up 0.5% of the population. Most are on the fringes of society, and there are none that I know of in Western Canada, that have high ranking, or influential positions (judges, politicians, etc). Most see it for what it is- BS propaganda.

If it is so insignificant, why is the licensing board insisting on punishing Peterson and forcing him into reeducation over it? With the full backing of the Canadian government giving them that power to force him to do it?

This is what is BS. It is that you guys only cry it is BS when we fight back. You don't care at all when this madness is going the other way. 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."

 

Posted
30 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Tolerance is extended out of respect and kindness.

This is part of why Hodad ran away from me. 

He kept pushing tolerance when what he meant was forced acceptance. 

Tolerance is that I don't care to stop you from flying the LGBTQ flag at your home. Forced acceptance is you demanding a Christian baker make a custom wedding cake for a LGBTQ wedding, then using the force of law to compel them to do so or harass them into oblivion for failing to do so.

 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."

 

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, User said:

Forced acceptance is you demanding a Christian baker make a custom wedding cake for a LGBTQ wedding, then using the force of law to compel them to do so or harass them into oblivion for failing to do so.

Yes, that about sums it up for me too. An arrogant lack of tolerance for the beliefs (be they religious or otherwise) of other people.

It's especially irksome when those "other people" actually supported your quest for the equality and peaceful acceptance that seemed fair and reasonable AS ORIGINALLY ARTICULATED by those seeking it. 

The actions of the radical side of this equation strikes me as disrespectful, unnecessary, and counterproductive... at a personal level it rubs my fur in the wrong direction. Even a cat knows when someone does that deliberately, and they don't like it either..

Stand by for incoming fire from Herb...

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Posted
2 hours ago, Venandi said:

Nice try.

I think you know exactly what I mean so I'm not sparring with you.

Freedom of expression doesn't force the object of that expression on others. Tolerance is extended out of respect and kindness. It should be accepted in the same spirit and with the knowledge that tolerance, by any definition, isn't indicative of eagerness to participate in the activity (or belief) being tolerated.

Religious freedom of expression is a thing too but nativity scenes in the public square, after school bible study clubs, and secret baptisms conducted without parental consent might find you humming a different tune. 

I don't force my faith on others, in fact, I rarely even mention it. The fact that I don't know a single gay or trans person who thinks radical activism is beneficial to them or even tolerant of people who don't happen to share their views (or lifestyle) is enough for me to suggest you pushed this too hard, too far, and too fast. They would be the first to tell you that too.

The tolerant people you now point and laugh at have ample cause to suck back and reload, and that's exactly what my (albeit few) acquaintances were fearful of.

Bad tactical decision, you should have taken yes for an answer, done your own thing and minded your own damn business. 

Just like you expect Christians to do.  

 

 

I'm Christian too.

 

I'm just trying to drill down.  I don't spar.

There must be parameters around those specific issues you laid out.  What are they?

 

Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

What are they?

See post above.

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I thought you said you were Jewish? Now my holiday greeting card purchases have gone askew

One short eh?

Send him a kitten that likes its fur brushed backwards...

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, User said:

Interesting response. 

So, you agree with what he says, you are just now not liking that he is famous (or using his fame as he is) and you think his motives have changed to just making money off of it... but you do still agree with him. 

No, I agreed with what he was saying back in 2017/2018, specifically about free speech and the culture of suppression and political correctness being cultivated in universities. 

What at one point appeared to be a very articulate, principled stance against censorship and group-think morphed into a rage-farming clown show that stands for nothing but notoriety.  Jordan Peterson is just another cringe edgelord now.  

 

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Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree with everything you wrote except for the false assumptions about me.

Not intended as insulting or derogatory regardless of how it sounded, I actually think we could solve most of this stuff over a six pack... I'm a scotch fan too BTW.

Not withstanding the amusing Fox / Flyer diversion and the Herb/Doggie vitriol, the written word almost always seems harsher than what's intended.

Has anyone ever suggested a motorcycle type reunion (of sorts) for forum members? I'll alert the riot police... 

Cheers

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Posted
35 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No, I agreed with what he was saying back in 2017/2018, specifically about free speech and the culture of suppression and political correctness being cultivated in universities. 

What at one point appeared to be a very articulate, principled stance against censorship and group-think morphed into a rage-farming clown show that stands for nothing but notoriety.  Jordan Peterson is just another cringe edgelord now.  

 

Hmmm... you did not actually say what you don't agree with now, you just restated the same thing. You liked what he said then, but now he is a "clown show"

Is he saying something now you disagree with that he wasn't saying back then?

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."

 

Posted (edited)
39 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Not intended as insulting or derogatory regardless of how it sounded, I actually think we could solve most of this stuff over a six pack... I'm a scotch fan too BTW.

Not withstanding the amusing Fox / Flyer diversion and the Herb/Doggie vitriol, the written word almost always seems harsher than what's intended.

Has anyone ever suggested a motorcycle type reunion (of sorts) for forum members? I'll alert the riot police... 

Cheers

I had an idea to host Live events. However, I'm in Toronto and I think most of the people here live.. underground. 

The only evidence I have to support my case is that I spoke out against the Trinity college ruling, if you know what that is. 

 

I'm a liberal conservative, so I support freedom. I'm against mind control.

 

By the way @Greg I'm still up for this idea, I'll even cut you in on the door.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

'm a liberal conservative, so I support freedom. I'm against mind control.

 

Cool, me too. It just seems like there was a polar shift and the ground moved under my feet... conservatives have now become the liberals of old..

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I had an idea to host Live events. However, I'm in Toronto and I think most of the people here live.. underground. 

 Close enough to halfway for IBA lunatics who sleep in church parking lots and drive to Mexico for coffee. If you can dig those folks up and want to do it I'd make the trip.

 

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Posted
6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Can you tell us a few good things about Canada? 

Describe our country for us...

I cannot? Can you? 

Canada is well on it's way to becoming another 3rd world hell hole if we do not do some thing soon about it. And that is not a good thing. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, taxme said:

I cannot? Can you? 

Canada is well on it's way to becoming another 3rd world hell hole if we do not do some thing soon about it. And that is not a good thing. 

I believe it's repairable. It won't happen quickly but it can happen

People seem to have finally realized that if you vote woke ya go broke, and they're willing to throw out both the NDP and the liberals and focus on making Canada great again. The lefties have pushed people so hard that they've even turned against immigration and climate change which is absolutely shocking.

Countries aren't great because they never make mistakes. What makes countries great is their ability to realize their mistakes and recover from them. Obviously letting the left run the country was an absolute unmitigated disastrous mistake, but people realize it and they appear to be 100% ready to fix that mistake.

And people like DUI are going to cry like babies as things get better under proper right wing guidance.  

We've still got a lot to do, there's still threats we'll have to over come but i believe we can rise to the occasion

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