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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I suppose your argument is that if we remove everybody's rights and freedoms that somehow this will save lives?

No, my argument, one I also made in March 2020 actually, is that a lot more lives will be lost due to people surrendering their shit to ridiculous conspiracies they'ed fallen for.  Many of which were fabricated long before COVID ever arrived.

A sitting duck in the crosshairs of COVID if there ever was one.

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9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, my argument, one I also made in March 2020 actually, is that a lot more lives will be lost due to people surrendering their shit to ridiculous conspiracies they'ed fallen for. 

Again with no evidence, nothing to substantiate this.

And unless you mean the pro vaccine conspiracy theories the evidence would seem to speak against you.

As you well know I was waxed and boosted, and what again. I weighed the pros and cons given my status I determined that was the best course of action and I still believe that it was  even tho I never got covid.

But there is no doubt that for the bulk of the population the risk of covid was the lesser.  Yet we were all going to die by the millions if we didn't all get vaxxed! yet the death rate and the vaccination rate have nothing in common when you look at them. 

At the end of the day trudeau only had two jobs during covid - get his hands on the vaccines and distribute them and keep people united and pulling together. He did very badly at one and did the opposite of the other. 

That's what you get when you get the left in power. Vote woke go broke.  

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49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Again with no evidence, nothing to substantiate this.

And unless you mean the pro vaccine conspiracy theories the evidence would seem to speak against you.

As you well know I was waxed and boosted, and what again. I weighed the pros and cons given my status I determined that was the best course of action and I still believe that it was  even tho I never got covid.

But there is no doubt that for the bulk of the population the risk of covid was the lesser.  Yet we were all going to die by the millions if we didn't all get vaxxed! yet the death rate and the vaccination rate have nothing in common when you look at them. 

At the end of the day trudeau only had two jobs during covid - get his hands on the vaccines and distribute them and keep people united and pulling together. He did very badly at one and did the opposite of the other. 

That's what you get when you get the left in power. Vote woke go broke.  

With each post, you prove that you are incapable of thinking for yourself, and must parrot Russian disinformation. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

With each post, you prove that you are incapable of thinking for yourself, and must parrot Russian disinformation. 

With each post you prove that you are incapable of saying no to another drink.

Posted
12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Paid willingly at the time or in hindsight to rationalize away the horrific death toll?

They seemed to know what they were doing.  Like I said, every single one of my American friends have had COVID, and I have at least a dozen.  Hey that's their society and their choices, it really only affects them and their loved ones, not me.

"All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain

Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.

Posted
3 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, my argument, one I also made in March 2020 actually, is that a lot more lives will be lost due to people surrendering their shit to ridiculous conspiracies they'ed fallen for.  Many of which were fabricated long before COVID ever arrived.

People lost their lives for being illogical.  In a time of crisis that can be a death sentence.  The Darwinism of ideas in action.  That includes, yes, believing in unproven conspiracy theories.  It also includes being slow to stop travel to certain countries for fear of being perceived as "racist", or politicians walking through Chinatown to in Feb 2020 to show people had nothing to fear from Chinese populations on the west coast.

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/coronavirus-speaker-house-nancy-pelosi-tours-san-franciscos-chinatown/

 

"All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain

Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.

Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But there is no doubt that for the bulk of the population the risk of covid was the lesser.

And particularly outrageous in the 0-19 age group. 

It was (and remains) a tough sell though, people are firmly entrenched and don't want to admit the possibility of being wrong, especially since the argument of choice for the most vocal proponents was ridicule. They couldn't even discuss the issues coherently enough to ask day one questions about toxicity, lipids, systemic distribution and the implications of BBB penetration.

If this actually does go tragically sideways in a few years, they will delete all of their nasty hateful posts and blame politicians for giving them exactly what they demanded.... sort of like police defunding, carbon taxation and excessive immigration (vs available resources).

I can only imagine how history will view all this in 50 years time. It will have things like eugenics, residential schools, and police defunding as competition for a Loon Award.

Our great grand children will be asking our children to proof read their history essays and to explain WTF we might have been thinking at the time. 

I'm old enough to remember some of the discussions around eugenics back in the day, it was more popular than most here might want to admit.... Anyone care to defend it on its merits now? 

Tip of the iceberg when it comes to the future validity of what Jordan Peterson is routinely saying (and warning about) now. We've already seen this with those racist people who warned about immigration issues like security, demographic concentrations and resource allocation challenges 20 years ago.

We will collectively recognize the value of considering such opinions (his and others) only after being bitten by ignoring them.    

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On 12/13/2024 at 5:35 PM, DUI_Offender said:

Bye Felicia, don't let the door hit you on your way out.  Canada does not need irrelevant drug addicts, compromised by Russia.

Jordan Peterson says he’s left Canada and moved to the U.S.

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson in an interview in Helsinki, Finland on November 4, 2018.

FILE - Dr. Jordan B. Peterson in an interview in Helsinki, Finland on November 4, 2018. Lehtikuva / Mikko Stig via CP

Jordan Peterson, the polarizing Canadian psychologist, has bid Canada adieu and will now call the United States home, citing personal and professional reasons for the move. The news was revealed on a podcast this week, where Peterson and his daughter, Mikhaila Peterson Fuller, discussed his decision to move to Florida.

“Welcome to moving to America, formally,” she offhandedly said to her dad during The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast episode.

“I guess that’s what happened, isn’t it? Is this the big announcement?” said Peterson.

“There are decided advantages to being here,” he said.

Peterson made reference to his ongoing feud with the College of Psychologists of Ontario, as well as a bill targeting hate speech, among his key reasons to leave his home country.

“The issue with the College of Psychologists is very annoying, to say the least, and the new legislation that the Liberals are attempting to push through, Bill C-63, we’d all be living in a totalitarian hellhole if it passes,” he told his daughter.

“The tax situation is out of hand. The government in Canada at the federal level is incompetent beyond belief, and it’s become uncomfortable for me in my neighbourhood in Toronto,” he added

source: https://globalnews.ca/news/10916773/jordan-peterson-moves-to-us-leaves-canada/?utm_medium=Twitter&utm_source=%40globalnews

 

 

Good riddance.  Renounce your Canadian citizenship while you’re at it and stay gone. 

Posted
4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Good riddance.  Renounce your Canadian citizenship while you’re at it and stay gone. 

LOL awwww look at you, being a cancel culture tough guy and everything :)  You're leftist friends will be so impressed at recess :) 

He's not going alone. 

Nurses leaving Canada for U.S. doubled in the last five years | CTV News

Policy-Brief-Thousands-of-Health-Care-Workers-Leaving.pdf

Canada failing to convince young doctors stay in the country | CTV News

Why are so many health care workers quitting? | Why are so many health care workers quitting? 

There are severe shortages of health care providers for psychology and psychiatric care

Ontario-Needs-Psychiatrists.pdf

Demand for mental health service in Canada is climbing. So are wait times for specialists | CBC Radio

 

And so on. There's hundreds of articles.

In fact is that medical professionals including psychiatrists and psychologists have lost interest in working in Canada. They either go to the states to work or they find entirely different jobs.

You think rulings like this don't play A part? You don't think how they were treated during covid plays A part? Do you think they want to be part of a system where if you say the wrong thing even if it's a legitimate personal opinion and someone hears it you might very well lose your license?

I get that you are happy to see him go because you believe that despite the claims of the left you and your kind are extremely anti-diversity. If someone has a different opinion than you then you want to see them gone.

But the reality is when you do that you make everyone feel unwelcome except the die hard radicals like yourself, and that leaves us with shortage that cause pain and suffering. 

Licensing bodies are NOT supposed to be woke activists. Peterson is leaving becuase he no longer has faith in the process or the licensing body in Canada and he can get licensed just as fast in the states where that kind of thing isn't allowed. 

Guess what.  A lot of professionals are seeing the same thing and coming to the same conclusion. 

You don't have to like him.... but you should be very concerned he's leaving.  And taking his million dollar income and the taxes he paid on that with him as well btw. 

Posted
4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Renounce your Canadian citizenship while you’re at it and stay gone. 

I'm now hoping that sentiment will become popular with progressives after the next election, thanks for cementing my thoughts on it.

Posted
14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And taking his million dollar income and the taxes he paid on that with him as well btw. 

Maybe he'll come back when the fever breaks and beavers have regained their senses.

Posted
29 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Maybe he'll come back when the fever breaks and beavers have regained their senses.

I doubt it. Generally want somebody has moved they moved and it's a big deal for them to move again and uproot.

And any reasonable person has to say if Canada elected a government like this once what's to stop them from doing it again.

We will see. But I think it's going to be a long time before people truly trust Canada again and the best and the brightest (and richest)  will tend to leave

Posted
5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Good riddance.  Renounce your Canadian citizenship while you’re at it and stay gone. 

nobody empowers Jordan Peterson more than the leftists suffering from JBP Derangement Syndrome

If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.”

Posted
1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

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The only one true symptom is the ability to self-delude oneself to believe that the above is true when it is clearly false :) 

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Probably less of a joke than the Beaverton thinks  :) 

And a small handful of low intellect lefties will believe that's a great thing. Most Canadians will not

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The same people complaining about fascism... are the same people cheering on the government running off one of their own citizens by abusing the licensing process they are subjected to over what is little more than speech. 

Once again I will point out that the authoritarian left is no better than the fascism they decry. They just want to be the ones in control. 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."

 

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3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

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1. And you certainly wouldn't tear down statues of long dead national icons because you chose to judge them by a standard that exists a century (or more) after they died... and as a direct result of their efforts on your behalf.

2. like the cheapest, most innocuous, most readily available viral inhibitor on the planet. Because it only works at the onset of symptoms and not under full viral loading you ask penetrating scientific questions like "are you a horse?

3. And yet Hunters laptop is still Russian disinformation, Hillary never wrote those emails, Trump is a Russian agent and the Steele report is gospel.

4. Yet you cling to the notion that duck hunters are shooting up the streets of Toronto.

5. Except jews of course...

6. The very sort of disinformation you ascribe to others... and think nobody notices.

7. Have to take a break on that one.... I choked coffee through my nose and have to wipe the keyboard down now.

Thanks for playing, Ill catch up when things dry out and I stop laughing.

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On 12/13/2024 at 9:17 PM, suds said:

Trump has a habit of saying a lot of things not because that's what he wants, but to use as a bargaining chip to get what he really wants. 

The House and Senate both easily passed a law that the president can't pull out of NATO without their say so. They only introduced and passed it when it looked like Trump might become the candidate. And the Republicans helped the Democrats pass it. That seems to me to suggest even his own party is leery about what he might want to do to NATO.

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On 12/14/2024 at 5:35 AM, Michael Hardner said:

2. "They" also doesn't mean the professional association that has to respond to complaints and assess them.

The way professional associations have expanded their role in supervising the lives of their membership has to be pruned back, or these associations themselves eliminated and their role taken over by elements of the public service. The problem with these groups is not a lot of people want to run them, but the zealots do since they can use them to influence society, to force people to think and act like they want. And we've seen takeovers in a whole lot of them by ideologues of the far left demanding all members support their own identitarian views. Since they have the power of government behind them it's nothing but censorship.

On 12/14/2024 at 5:35 AM, Michael Hardner said:


3. If you define 'Freedom' as being a cultural space where a body of public figures criticize and taunt trans people and are cheered on, then maybe.

If by "criticize and taunt ' trans people you mean 'mildly disagree with any element of their demands in any way shape or form ' then maybe.

I've never seen an activist group that purports to be acting for human rights that is as vicious, as hateful, as intolerant, or as violent as the trans rights groups. A recent example being a soldier who died in Montreal last week in an accident. Apparently he spoke against the trans stuff online and some of those who had doxxed him found out. They inundated the funeral home's sympathy pages with jeers and contempt, saying they hope he rots in hell, that his family soon joins him, that he died in agony etc. 

These people are deeply emotionally and psychologically disturbed. Anyone who speaks out in public against anything related to trans rights gets attacked and gets death threats, even if they're lifelong leftists who speak sympathetically about transgender people but refuse to agree to things like sending male rapists who just 'discovered' they were female after their arrests to female prisons (like JK Rowling).

But then you probably figure she's a talentless hack of no worth or value, I suppose. 

On 12/14/2024 at 5:35 AM, Michael Hardner said:

But really this post is about our longstanding differences on the value of Peterson as a public figure.  I'm biased against him as I thought he was going to be a unifying figure and was hugely disappointed in the circus act.

What ever made you think he could be a unifying figure when simply saying he didn't want to be compelled to use invented pronouns brought howls of hatred and death threats? Remember that girl who was a TA at an Ontario university who dared to show a couple of minutes of his TVO appearance to a communication class and got three hours of cultural revolution denunciation by professors and HR? Does that sound like he had the potential to be a unifying figure?

And by the way, what do you mean by 'circus act". He gives lectures. He does interviews. That's it. It's not like there's a light show, music and dancers at his events.

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Posted
23 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'd say it probably impacts his profession in the same manner my employer was concerned about when I agreed to his conditions regarding my personal conduct in the community, including things I might say.

I'm betting JP signed a binding agreement similar to the one I did - a signed agreement our courts upheld.

I'm betting JP was a member long before the psychologists got taken over by far left ideologues who eschew science in favour of whatever is the politically correct flavour of the month.

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