Breaking: Verdict Reached in Trump Trial 34 Guilty counts

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

there is no law that explicitly prohibits a presidential candidate from being elected if they have been convicted of a felony. I do not like Trump at all but the law is clear. And it is also clear that his supporters do not care even one iota that he was convicted. 

SOME supporters don't care. Esp the MAGA CULT who believe Trump's LIES.

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, ironstone said:

If Trump had decided not to run in 2024, this case and all the others would likely never have been brought forward in the first place. We clearly rely on different news sources, yours say that Trump is totally corrupt and worse, the sources I rely on say all of this is unprecedented(it clearly is) and the justice system is literally making mountains out of molehills.

If the Republicans can overcome this lawfare and the inevitable election night 'shenanigans', don't be surprised if they seek payback. 

To the contrary, I think his running has a lot to do with the fact that he was facing likely charges.

Do you think that if he had not run for office that we would have let him take classified documents, lie about them to the FBI, refuse to return them and then try to physically hide them? -- You really think that would have been a freebie if he hadn't declared? That's silly. --- You think he wouldn't have faced the same charges in Georgia or related to the attempted coup? Water under the bridge? That's silly.

Yes, I guarantee we consume different media. Fox news has spent months telling their audience an insane narrative about how unfair it all is that poor Donald will face a jury of his peers to judge his (alleged) crimes. Whereas I'm far more interested in the actual court documents, committee reports, etc. Nobody can avoid the news, but unless you're reading broadly--or better still, reading original sources--then you're likely not getting the full story.

 

[myata]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

the law is meaningless.

Not at all. But the democracy, civilization is about way more than just something written on a piece of paper. Why is it not obvious? Romans had a republic with many rules and institutions two millennia back and look.

[Moonbox]

4 hours ago, ironstone said:

How many other politicians, past and present, have been subjected to as many investigations as Donald Trump?

How many other married politicians raw-dog porn stars?

The idea that the man's woefully deficient character might have something to do with the number of investigations he's been subjected to hasn't even occurred to you?  

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Boges said:

That's counterintuitive. The other Federal cases likely won't see a trial before the election. It's been a critique of the current AG, that he's taken way to long to bring the other charges forward. 

 

And? It would still be a critique to say he should have brought THIS one to trial years ago.  but they waited till he was running. 

One of the prosecutors used to consult directly with and work for the dem party, and he moved over to the new york prosecutors office just a month or so after trump announced he'd run again and then these charges were laid and he was on the case. The optics alone are beyond horrible. 

The appearance for several reasons is very much that they held on to this, when he decided to run they used to this to go after him and try to ruin him on fake charges to prevent him from being elected.  Any reasonable exterior viewer would see that pattern in what's happened. 

Then add into it there has never ever been a case like this in history and it starts to look pretty 'trumped up' if you will  

If you know the details of the case it's pretty hard to deny. 
 

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And it was Barr who declined to pursue Trump back in 2018 when he was named a co-conspirator in this hush money affair. Only Michael Cohen faced consequences. 

 

That's because there's no evidence of a crime. Cohen committed a crime and admitted it but that didn't implicated trump. 

You have to remember - trump STILL Hasn't been charged with the crimes Barr said he woudln't pursue. Those were federal crimes. This is a state crime.  Barr had nothing to do with these. 

And as a state crime they're normally misdemeanors. Obama got nailed for these, Hillary did too etc. And the statute of limitations has run out. 

So - what the judge did was claim that IF these misdemeanors were part of a LARGER FEDERAL CRIME,  THEN they would be criminal offenses at the state level.  In other words if they were committed in the pursuit of a criminal offense they were a crime 

But - they just simply said 'we don't have to prove he committed this "other crime", we just have to say it's likely he did".   They don't have the right to pursue federal crimes after all. 

That's what's made this such a witch hunt.  The only way these are a crime is if there's another crime, but nobody has ever proved or even charged him with a specific other crime that these would be part of, just given some vague possibilities that really don't stand up. 

Look it up - you'll find i'm right.  This trial should never  have happened. This would NEVER have gone to trial outside of new york. 

And now.... you think the republicans and trump won't do the same thing back when they can? It is now ok to use the courts to attack your political opponents even if the charges are false in order to hamper or prevent them from participating in an election. That is now on the table. 

 

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

How many other married politicians raw-dog porn stars?

 

You've heard of marilyn monroe and kennedy right? That'd be the most famous. 

In fact it would seem like most of them do. Clinton raped his maid. 

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The idea that the man's woefully deficient character might have something to do with the number of investigations he's been subjected to hasn't even occurred to you?  

So we don't investigate people based on crimes or acts they've committed anymore? We only investigate them based on what you personally perceive as being a "Deficient character" ??

I think that's basically why people are saying it's a banana republic, I don't think that actually proves it isn't

[ironstone]

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, ironstone said:

Hunter's trial starts Monday and Epstein died IN JAIL thereby PROVING your stupid meme is FALSE.

[West]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Hunter's trial starts Monday and Epstein died IN JAIL thereby PROVING your stupid meme is FALSE.

Fraudchi is still out walking around after funding the wuhan lab which caused a pandemic that killed lots of people

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Hunter's trial starts Monday and Epstein died IN JAIL thereby PROVING your stupid meme is FALSE.

He died without ever having paid for his crimes, and the people who killed him are still walking free. That's not just his killers but the very powerful people that likely hired them.

Sorry, we should have explained that in crayon earlier

[robosmith]

56 minutes ago, West said:

Fraudchi is still out walking around after funding the wuhan lab which caused a pandemic that killed lots of people

^No EVIDENCE that US funded research caused the pandemic.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^No EVIDENCE that US funded research caused the pandemic.

Sure there is.  What we DON'T have evidence of is what caused your lack of intelligence.  I"m betting brain worm but i can't prove it yet. 

[BeaverFever]

On 5/31/2024 at 8:43 AM, myata said:

"Retribution", to who? To fellow citizens, the jurors? They are just mad: no working brain, can't see it and won't see it.

Retribution against anyone who is not part of their cult and especially against all of the identity groups they despise (immigrants, gays, liberals, etc. etc., their list of Hated Ones is long). They revel in sadistic fantasies where they rejoice in the pain and suffering they hope to inflict on others. Celebrating debased cruelty is a key feature of fascism and the far right. 

[Nationalist]

On 5/31/2024 at 7:27 AM, BeaverFever said:

That’s what the fascist thugs of history have always said when they try to seize power 

You whine all you like.

Proper justice has a way of breaking through. This passive aggressive horseshit is going to end. Be it Trump or be it another.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Retribution against anyone who is not part of their cult and especially against all of the identity groups they despise (immigrants, gays, liberals, etc. etc., their list of Hated Ones is long). They revel in sadistic fantasies where they rejoice in the pain and suffering they hope to inflict on others. Celebrating debased cruelty is a key feature of fascism and the far right. 

Dude, the voices in your head must number in the thousands. 

You are following in the fine footsteps of every statist And socialist that has ever lived. Instead of being rational or intelligent in your discussion you have to demonize the other side and pretend they are subhuman evil creatures that spend all day thinking about the blood of others. It's kind of disgusting. Let me guess, you're the kind of person that thinks we should brand all of the Jews just in case we need to round them up later.

There's little doubt that the republicans will strike back when they get the chance. And it will be against the people who chose to pick a fight an interfere with their way of life without cause.

Republicans have been called deplorable horrible people, they have been repressed and badly treated, I have been canceled and then fired and now i've been used to repress their democracy. They will probably strike back in much the same way that Israel struck back when terrorists slaughtered its people without cause or warning.

If you pick a fight, you can't whine as you do about how horrible people are for fighting back.

[ironstone]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

Hunter's trial starts Monday and Epstein died IN JAIL thereby PROVING your stupid meme is FALSE.

What you neglected to mention about Hunter is what the DOJ tried to slip through the system, his unprecedented sweetheart deal. That judge stated, she had never seen anything like it before. With a different judge, or certainly a Democrat judge, that deal would certainly have gone through. In this upcoming trial, Hunter is facing the same DOJ that tried to coddle him before.

[Rebound]

[West]

A nation of lawlessness where far left activists can trample a defendant's right to a fair hearing while the "President" of the United States ignores a Supreme Court ruling committing fraud on the American people

[ironstone]

23 hours ago, Hodad said:

Do you think that if he had not run for office that we would have let him take classified documents, lie about them to the FBI, refuse to return them and then try to physically hide them?

I'll remind you that Biden also had classified documents for many years...from the time he was a Senator. He should never have had them, yet old Joe did not get charged. Is he above the law?

[cougar]

On 5/30/2024 at 3:06 PM, gatomontes99 said:

I'm joining the seccesionist movement. The USA is dead. Long live the Republic of Texas.

I will support you.  Then the Republic of Texas can become a part of Mexico and continue to promote democracy.🤣

[cougar]

17 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I'll remind you that Biden also had classified documents for many years...from the time he was a Senator. He should never have had them, yet old Joe did not get charged. Is he above the law?

Was Biden asked to return all classified documents to the White House, and after his claim the documents were returned, half of them were still in his private estate?

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

I'll remind you that Biden also had classified documents for many years...from the time he was a Senator. He should never have had them, yet old Joe did not get charged. Is he above the law?

Nobody gets charged for accidental mishandling, they get chastised. Intent matters. Pence did the same as Biden, and the same as many others. When they discovered the documents they immediately sent up flares to authorities and returned them immediately. 

Contrast that with Trump. Who lied about having them, refused to return them and actually tried to hide them. Hell, he was showing them to people and boasting about how he shouldn't even have them--on record, you can hear him do it with your own ears. He gave the government no way to retrieve the documents without raiding his resort--and then complained about them raiding his resort.

That's demonstrating a very different intent. It's not accidental mishandling. It's unrepentant theft.

Surely you can spot the differences, no? Absolutely nothing would have happened to Trump if he had returned the documents like every decent person.

 

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[ironstone]

29 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Nobody gets charged for accidental mishandling, they get chastised. Intent matters. Pence did the same as Biden, and the same as many others. When they discovered the documents they immediately sent up flares to authorities and returned them immediately. 

Contrast that with Trump. Who lied about having them, refused to return them and actually tried to hide them. Hell, he was showing them to people and boasting about how he shouldn't even have them--on record, you can hear him do it with your own ears. He gave the government no way to retrieve the documents without raiding his resort--and then complained about them raiding his resort.

That's demonstrating a very different intent. It's not accidental mishandling. It's unrepentant theft.

Surely you can spot the differences, no? Absolutely nothing would have happened to Trump if he had returned the documents like every decent person.

 

Trump's team was in negotiations about the documents although in my humble opinion he should have just returned them as he surely should have known that he would be treated differently than Biden.

Robert Hur did not charge Biden because he felt the president was too 'elderly'. And the White House was critical of that assessment by Hur even though their man got off with no repercussions. Just as Hillary committed a felony...and was once again let off. They didn't want this case to interfere in the election.

Gosh, no double standard there!

 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

What you neglected to mention about Hunter is what the DOJ tried to slip through the system, his unprecedented sweetheart deal.

Who said it's unprecedented? From what I've heard, most, if not the vast  majority, are NOT CHARGED with a crime for what Hunter did (lying on a gun purchase permit about drug addiction), which is why they were going to let him walk.

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

That judge stated, she had never seen anything like it before.

You mean binding future DoJ to a comprehensive immunity deal when they did not know the parameters of the offense AFTER 5 years of investigating it? AFAIK, that is standard. But Republicans threw a shit fit cause they wanted revenge when they take the executive again.

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

With a different judge, or certainly a Democrat judge, that deal would certainly have gone through. In this upcoming trial, Hunter is facing the same DOJ that tried to coddle him before.

He wasn't being coddled, in fact many prosecutors believe he was being made an example of  because he was POTUS' son, to charge him at all.

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Yes, prosecutors were expected to recommend two years of probation for Hunter Biden’s tax violations. The pre-trial diversion program would have ultimately resulted in the gun charge being dropped, assuming Hunter Biden met certain terms laid out by prosecutors. The felony charge is otherwise punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

Republicans had attacked the plea agreement as a “sweetheart deal” that reflected a double standard of justice, but legal experts note the charges brought against the president’s son are rarely prosecuted.

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Republicans celebrated the unexpected complication in Hunter Biden’s case, and they called on Noreika to throw out the plea deal entirely.

“Today District Judge Noreika did the right thing by refusing to rubber-stamp Hunter Biden’s sweetheart plea deal,” said Congressman James Comer, the Republican chair of the House oversight committee. “But let’s be clear: Hunter’s sweetheart plea deal belongs in the trash.”

Comer pledged that the oversight committee would continue examining Hunter Biden and his business dealings, which have become a central focus of Republicans’ investigative work since they regained control of the House in January.

Republicans celebrated even though Hunter's business dealings have NOTHING TO DO with the gun and PAST tax charges.

AKA, they wanted to continue to use Hunter's situation to TAR JOE cause to date they've been EMBARRASSED by all their grandstanding claims falling apart.

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[robosmith]

2 hours ago, West said:

A nation of lawlessness where far left activists can trample a defendant's right to a fair hearing while the "President" of the United States ignores a Supreme Court ruling committing fraud on the American people

Is that what they're LYING on FOS LIES now? LMAO