Breaking: Verdict Reached in Trump Trial 34 Guilty counts

[ironstone]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

He wasn't being coddled, in fact many prosecutors believe he was being made an example of to because he was POTUS' son, charge him at all.

So far, Hunter is doing very well. The presidents son was rather delinquent in paying his fair share of  taxes..no big deal, they slow walk most of the charges against and allow the statute of limitations to run out. Lying on the gun application form, a felony, so far no real penalty for that either.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

I'll remind you that Biden also had classified documents for many years...from the time he was a Senator. He should never have had them, yet old Joe did not get charged. Is he above the law?

INTENT MATTERS. Joe returned the documents that were found immediately and Trump LIED ABOUT HIS and TRIED to HIDE THEM from the SEARCH.

They gave Trump many months to return the documents he stole and he REFUSED claiming "THEY'RE MINE." 🤮

You guys have a terrible habit of believing FALSE EQUIVALENCES just cause that's what they tell you on FOS LIES.

[robosmith]

14 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Trump's team was in negotiations about the documents although in my humble opinion he should have just returned them as he surely should have known that he would be treated differently than Biden.

He thought he KNEW what he could get away with.

14 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Robert Hur did not charge Biden because he felt the president was too 'elderly'. And the White House was critical of that assessment by Hur even though their man got off with no repercussions. Just as Hillary committed a felony...and was once again let off. They didn't want this case to interfere in the election.

Gosh, no double standard there!

Hur is a Republican who LIED to satisfy the RepubliCONS in the House.

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, ironstone said:

So far, Hunter is doing very well. The presidents son was rather delinquent in paying his fair share of  taxes..no big deal, they slow walk most of the charges against and allow the statute of limitations to run out.

As QUOTED, most are not charged when the taxes have been paid.

6 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Lying on the gun application form, a felony, so far no real penalty for that either.

As QUOTED, most are NOT charged for that.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Trump's team was in negotiations about the documents although in my humble opinion he should have just returned them as he surely should have known that he would be treated differently than Biden.

Robert Hur did not charge Biden because he felt the president was too 'elderly'. And the White House was critical of that assessment by Hur even though their man got off with no repercussions. Just as Hillary committed a felony...and was once again let off. They didn't want this case to interfere in the election.

Gosh, no double standard there!

 

No, he was treated exactly the same as Biden and Pence upon initial discovery. When the documents were discovered it was expected that they would be returned. End of story. There is nothing to "negotiate." 

Trump is treated differently after he responds differently--lying about the documents, showing them around, explicitly refusing to return them and trying to hide them from authorities. 

This has been explained to you. Multiple times. Why are you pretending that you're making an apples -to-apples comparison? Why the charade? It's not just a false equivalency, at this point it's a falsehood.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Rebound said:

He said it - But didn't do it. 

They've done it. 

Remember that when it comes around kiddo  

[BeaverFever]

On 5/31/2024 at 10:11 AM, WestCanMan said:

OMG now you're noticing fascism? 🤣

What do you mean NOW?  People have been calling the Right fascist since fascism was invented. Only before trump it was just exaggerated hyperbole, like when people call mor0ns like you retarded even though we know you don’t have Down Syndrome. Since Trump MAGAs have become ACTUAL fascists.  
 

On 5/31/2024 at 10:11 AM, WestCanMan said:

Did you miss the part where the FBI was committing crimes against a politician? Did you miss the show trials? Did you miss the complete control of the media? Did you miss the latest spate of corrupt judges?

That’s just your made up Reichstag Fire bullshit that you are using to justify your planned fascist abuses . Fascists always have a long list of outrageous lies that that they claim justify their brutality and thuggery. 
 

On 5/31/2024 at 10:11 AM, WestCanMan said:

Did you miss the barbed wire and army at the capitol? 

After your violent thugs attacked it!  And now they’re filling the internet with calls for more violence in service of their Fuhrer

 

On 5/31/2024 at 10:11 AM, WestCanMan said:

Do the Demonrats have to officially swap out old glory for the swastika in order for you to notice what's up? 

 

Hilarious. Are you so clueless in your bubble that missed all the times Republicans slipped ACTUAL Nazi symbols into their programming? And of course Trumps own fascist rhetoric?

 

Trump’s social media account shares a campaign video with a headline about a ‘unified Reich’
 

The 30-second video appeared Monday on Trump’s account at a time when the presumptive Republican nominee for president, while seeking to portray President Joe Biden as soft on antisemitism, has himself repeatedly faced criticism for using language and rhetoric associated with Nazi Germany.
 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-2024-rhetoric-germany-antisemitism-31002afb91b642c0314223d19e51f427
 

DeSantis aide fired after sharing video featuring symbol used by Nazis

Nate Hochman ‘no longer with the campaign’ after posting video using internet memes popular on the far right
 

 

The video ended with two files of soldiers marching towards a Florida flag, the centre of which turned into a revolving red and yellow disc.

The disc resembled a sonnenrad or sunwheel, which the Anti-Defamation League defines as an “ancient European symbol appropriated by the Nazis in their attempt to invent an idealised ‘Aryan/Norse’ heritage” and which has “countless variations [including] the swastika”.

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/26/desantis-campaign-video-nazi-symbol-fired-aide

 

CPAC Stage Compared To Nazi Symbol On Social Media

 

By Saturday afternoon there had been nearly 100,000 tweets that compared the CPAC stage to the ODAL Rune, which was used by a unit of the insidious Waffen SS, the initially named the SS-Volunteer Division Prinz Eugen (SS-Freiwilligen-Division "Prinz Eugen") – later the 7th Volunteer Mountain Division. That unit was formed in 1941 and took part exclusively in action against the communist-led Yugoslavian partisans during the Second World War.

 

 

Trump’s latest flirtation with Nazi symbolism draws criticism
 

Trump has been rebuked for calling his political opponents “vermin” and for saying on multiple occasions that immigrants entering the U.S. illegally are “poisoning the blood” of the country. When pressed on the latter phrases’ connections to Hitler and Nazi Germany, Trump said he never read “Mein Kampf,” Hitler’s manifesto.

Dating back further, Trump was widely criticized in 2022 for dining with Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes at Mar-a-Lago. And he triggered outrage in 2017 when he said there was blame on “both sides” and that there were “very fine people on both sides” at a Charlottesville, Va., white supremacist rally that turned violent, leading to the murder of a counterprotester in a hate crime.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4677700-trumps-latest-flirtation-with-nazi-symbolism-draws-criticism/mlite/?nxs-test=mlite

 

Neo-Nazis Explain Why They Like Trump

 

Edited June 2, 2024 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He said it - But didn't do it. 

Because his accusations against her were made up and he had no evidence.  Unlike Trump’s criminal case where the crime was real and proven in a court of law. Neither the prosecutor nor the judge nor the jury are under Biden’s control. 

[BeaverFever]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dude, the voices in your head must number in the thousands. 

You are following in the fine footsteps of every statist And socialist that has ever lived. Instead of being rational or intelligent in your discussion you have to demonize the other side and pretend they are subhuman evil creatures that spend all day thinking about the blood of others. It's kind of disgusting. Let me guess, you're the kind of person that thinks we should brand all of the Jews just in case we need to round them up later.

There's little doubt that the republicans will strike back when they get the chance. And it will be against the people who chose to pick a fight an interfere with their way of life without cause.

Republicans have been called deplorable horrible people, they have been repressed and badly treated, I have been canceled and then fired and now i've been used to repress their democracy. They will probably strike back in much the same way that Israel struck back when terrorists slaughtered its people without cause or warning.

If you pick a fight, you can't whine as you do about how horrible people are for fighting back.

Well I had Nationalist in mind specifically since he is particularly obsessed with sadistic revenge fantasies 

Republican are some of the worst cancellers out there: Disney, Bud Light, Blackrock, Liz Cheney, every Republican who spoke against Trump, even DeSantis the Floridian canceller-in-chief got canceled when he tried to run against Trump. 
 

And with Republican laws targeting on abortion rights, LGBTQ, private businesses who allegedly have “woke” policies, Republicans are just as bad if not worse when it comes to interfering in other peoples private affairs and ways of life  

 

Republicans have been called Deplorable?  Aww muffin!  Republicans have made it their brand to call everyone else pedophiles, communists and terrorist supporters and then invent a bunch of batshit conspiracies and lies to go along with that name calling. The new populist far right has made premeditated displays of grotesque vulgarity its brand: screaming obscenities and the N word at politicians and public employees, even while holding their small children, chasing politicians and their families down the street when the see them in public, pelting them with gravel, spray painting their offices with words like  “c-nt”. Often these extremists even film themselves doing so and then post it on social media to show off their vulgarity.
 

People talk about left wing “virtue signalling” when lefties put on a big show to try and show off how progressive they are.  The new right does the same thing except to show off how vulgar and depraved they are.   The righties say they like the displays of vulgarity because it shows how genuine and authentic they are, and that they don’t care who they offend and they will never apologize for it because only cowards and wimps apologize.   But of course that only applies to them  Call them something as innocuous as “deplorable” and the shameless hypocrites complain they’ve been victimized in the most heinous and unspeakable way possible and demand an apology  

The Republicans’ manufactured victim narrative is no different than that of every other authoritarian movement in history. You can tell their motives are sinister because they claim this alleged victimization entitles them to victimize others in return, which is not what real victims do. Nobody says “I was raped therefore I should be allowed to rape someone else” or “I was robbed therefore I should be allowed to rob someone else”. Real opponents of dictatorship don’t say “just wait until I become dictator and get my revenge,” they say “just wait until we create a democracy and end dictatorship forever” but of course that’s not what Trump and his supporters are saying at all.
 

What’s funny is that few people really doubt that Trump paid Stormy the hush money and then falsified business records to cover it up,  they simply don’t care if he did or not and think he should be above the law based on his political stance. Typical authoritarian thuggery. 

Edited June 2, 2024 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

13 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Proper justice has a way of breaking through.

And it did. He was found guilty on all counts by a jury. 

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

INTENT MATTERS. Joe returned the documents that were found immediately and Trump LIED ABOUT HIS and TRIED to HIDE THEM from the SEARCH.

They gave Trump many months to return the documents he stole and he REFUSED claiming "THEY'RE MINE." 🤮

You guys have a terrible habit of believing FALSE EQUIVALENCES just cause that's what they tell you on FOS LIES.

Not to mention Biden only had a small number of documents while Trump had entire rooms full of boxes. 

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Because his accusations against her were made up and he had no evidence.

Dude.  Please.

The evidence was 100 percent entirely there and everyone admitted it.  

The FBI who'd pursued the case were 100 percent expecting charges to be laid and comey walked in and said that wasn't going to happen. They were shocked. 

Comey's excuse was that even tho they had all the evidence of the crime they couldn't prove mens rea.  But - the crime did not require mens rea in the slightest. You can read the language yourself. IT's easy to look up. 

Lets be 100 percent clear. She absolutely did the crime. But - the us does not prosecute political candidates for the presidency f anything but the most serious of crimes because doing so would be a horrible horrible interference with democracy. 

Till now.  And now that that door is open anyone can walk through. 

49 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

What do you mean NOW?  People have been calling the Right fascist since fascism was invented. Only before trump it was just exaggerated hyperbole, like when people call mor0ns like you retarded even though we know you don’t have Down Syndrome. Since Trump MAGAs have become ACTUAL fascists.  
 

That’s just your made up Reichstag Fire bullshit that you are using to justify your planned fascist abuses . Fascists always have a long list of outrageous lies that that they claim justify their brutality and thuggery. 
 

After your violent thugs attacked it!  And now they’re filling the internet with calls for more violence in service of their Fuhrer

 

 

Hilarious. Are you so clueless in your bubble that missed all the times Republicans slipped ACTUAL Nazi symbols into their programming? And of course Trumps own fascist rhetoric?

 

Trump’s social media account shares a campaign video with a headline about a ‘unified Reich’
 

The 30-second video appeared Monday on Trump’s account at a time when the presumptive Republican nominee for president, while seeking to portray President Joe Biden as soft on antisemitism, has himself repeatedly faced criticism for using language and rhetoric associated with Nazi Germany.
 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-2024-rhetoric-germany-antisemitism-31002afb91b642c0314223d19e51f427
 

DeSantis aide fired after sharing video featuring symbol used by Nazis

Nate Hochman ‘no longer with the campaign’ after posting video using internet memes popular on the far right
 

 

The video ended with two files of soldiers marching towards a Florida flag, the centre of which turned into a revolving red and yellow disc.

The disc resembled a sonnenrad or sunwheel, which the Anti-Defamation League defines as an “ancient European symbol appropriated by the Nazis in their attempt to invent an idealised ‘Aryan/Norse’ heritage” and which has “countless variations [including] the swastika”.

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/26/desantis-campaign-video-nazi-symbol-fired-aide

 

CPAC Stage Compared To Nazi Symbol On Social Media

 

By Saturday afternoon there had been nearly 100,000 tweets that compared the CPAC stage to the ODAL Rune, which was used by a unit of the insidious Waffen SS, the initially named the SS-Volunteer Division Prinz Eugen (SS-Freiwilligen-Division "Prinz Eugen") – later the 7th Volunteer Mountain Division. That unit was formed in 1941 and took part exclusively in action against the communist-led Yugoslavian partisans during the Second World War.

 

 

Trump’s latest flirtation with Nazi symbolism draws criticism
 

Trump has been rebuked for calling his political opponents “vermin” and for saying on multiple occasions that immigrants entering the U.S. illegally are “poisoning the blood” of the country. When pressed on the latter phrases’ connections to Hitler and Nazi Germany, Trump said he never read “Mein Kampf,” Hitler’s manifesto.

Dating back further, Trump was widely criticized in 2022 for dining with Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes at Mar-a-Lago. And he triggered outrage in 2017 when he said there was blame on “both sides” and that there were “very fine people on both sides” at a Charlottesville, Va., white supremacist rally that turned violent, leading to the murder of a counterprotester in a hate crime.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4677700-trumps-latest-flirtation-with-nazi-symbolism-draws-criticism/mlite/?nxs-test=mlite

 

Neo-Nazis Explain Why They Like Trump

 

You have lost your mind. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Not to mention Biden only had a small number of documents while Trump had entire rooms full of boxes. 

That would not have been an issue if Trump had cooperated and just returned the documents.

I gotta wonder if Trump just does that crap so he can play victim to the MAGA RUBES AGAIN.

After all, even after being convicted, the RUBES are still shoveling cash his way.

Poor Donny has to commit more FELONIES to raise the cash for a chance to make them go away. 🤮

Edited June 2, 2024 by robosmith

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What do you mean NOW?  People have been calling the Right fascist since fascism was invented.

 

Hitler even called his party socialists you stupid loser. It's the oldest con ever. "Hey, we're the good guys. Give me all your money and all the power and I'll do what's right!"

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 like when people call mor0ns like you retarded even though we know you don’t have Down Syndrome.

 

Yeah, ok stupid. Run your id10t mouth because you don't have facts, as usual.

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That’s just your made up Reichstag Fire bullshit that you are using to justify your planned fascist abuses . 

Are you still trying to pretend that the DOJ/FBI weren't committing crimes? 

literally everyone on earth with an IQ over 30 knows now. You're the only holdout, sitting there believing in Wushin cowusion, the safe and effective vax, and the integrity of CNN, the Dems and the FBI.

Id10t. 

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CPAC Stage Compared To Nazi Symbol On Social Media

Oh the floor was a square 😱. Only an id10t like you could be conned into believing that every square you see is also a swastika. Honk honk! 🤣

You're the stooge of stooges buddy. I just have to read your posts to know what the dumbest people on the planet have been sucked in by lately.

FYI, here's what fascism looks like stupid:

"We need to stack the supreme court and then we have all our bases covered!" (Only it sounded more like "We need to uhhh, do the thing so that the thing doesn't not do, uhh. Uhhh. The thing we wanted it to not do. Pause. Stacking an' stuff.")

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dude.  Please.

The evidence was 100 percent entirely there and everyone admitted it.  

In fact the Clinton email nothingburger was more like Biden’s little box of unreturned documents and less like Trump’s deliberate criminal actions (and the Trump family also used their personal emails for White House business BTW)  

After a years-long FBI investigation, it was determined that Clinton's server did not contain any information or emails that were clearly marked classified.^[1]
 

 

News reports by NBC and CNN indicated that the emails discussed "innocuous" matters that were already public knowledge.
 

In July, FBI director James Comey announced that the FBI investigation had concluded that Clinton had been "extremely careless" but recommended that no charges be filed because Clinton did not act with criminal intent, the historical standard for pursuing prosecution.^[7]
 

On June 14, 2018, the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General released its report on the FBI's and DOJ's handling of Clinton's investigation, finding no evidence of political bias and lending support for the decision to not prosecute Clinton.^[14] A three-year State Department investigation concluded in September 2019 that 38 individuals were "culpable" in 91 instances of sending classified information that reached Clinton's email account, though it found "no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information".^[15] Yet a September 2022 "Fact Checker" analysis by The Washington Post, which followed a tweet by Clinton claiming, "I had zero emails that were classified", also quotes the same 2019 State Department report as having noted, "None of the emails at issue in this review were marked as classified."^[1]

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy

 

 

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You have lost your mind. 

Westcan is the mor0n who compared Biden to nazis simply because he once spoke in front of red stage lights and his government has a military. I just showed him how Republicans have the support of ACTUAL Nazis, some of whom they retweet or hire to work for them and slip Nazi symbols into Republican communications. 

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Hitler even called his party socialists you stupid loser. It's the oldest con ever. "Hey, we're the good guys. Give me all your money and all the power and I'll do what's right!"

OMG this dumbass argument again.  Your ignorance knows no limits. Here’s the TL;DR version for your ignorant ass: The NAZI party name predates Hitler, Hitler is not the party founder (who Hitler later had murdered after he took over the party), “National Socialism” is not the same thing as socialism, and names are meaningless, North Korea’s official name is “The Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea” do think that proves NK is a democratic republic?  The Nazis jailed and murdered socialists by the thousands and publicly raged about socialism the way republicans rage about illegal immigrants. 
 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you still trying to pretend that the DOJ/FBI weren't committing crimes? 

literally everyone on earth with an IQ over 30 knows now. You're the only holdout, sitting there believing in Wushin cowusion, the safe and effective vax, and the integrity of CNN, the Dems and the FBI.

Id10t. 

LMAO you are such a whacked out internet Konspiracy Kook Krackpot it’s hilarious 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Oh the floor was a square 😱. Only an id10t like you could be conned into believing that every square you see is also a swastika. Honk honk! 🤣

You're the stooge of stooges buddy. I just have to read your posts to know what the dumbest people on the planet have been sucked in by lately.

FYI, here's what fascism looks like stupid:

Oh the lighting was red 😱.  Only an id1iot like you could be conned into believing that every red light you see is also a swastika Honk honk!

And The floor was not a square it was the same shape as the Othala Rune (see pic below) Even if it was pure coincidence, which is likely , if you’re going to scream nazi just because of red stage lights (did the Nazis even use red stage lights or did it just look spooky to you??) then it’s ridiculous that you would ignore the MULTIPLE Republican examples I mentioned most of which you couldn’t even acknowledge in your post  

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

We need to stack the supreme court and then we have all our bases covered!"

Republicans have been saying that for decades and that’s exactly what they did. Remember all of the made up secret rules the Republican senators cited to first block appointments under Oba and then fast track them under Trump?  “Oh secret rule nobody’s ever heard of: President Obama can’t appoint anyone to the USSC during his final year so we’re blocking his nomination …oh wait we forgot to mention there’s a secret exception to the secret rule that nobody’s ever heard of: so President Trump CAN appoint someone to the USSC during his final year..Expedited Approved!” 

Edited June 2, 2024 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He said it - But didn't do it. 

They've done it. 

Remember that when it comes around kiddo  

The hilarious and shameless Trump gaslighting continues as convicted criminal Trump NOW absurdly claims he never said “lock her up”  Now he’s soft on crime now that he’s been convicted of one  

Trump Denies Ever Saying ‘Lock Her Up.’ He Did… Several Times

 

“Hillary Clinton — I didn’t say, ‘Lock her up,’ but the people would all say, ‘Lock her up, lock her up.’ OK. Then we won, and I said pretty openly, I’d say, ‘Alright, come on, just relax. Let’s go. We gotta make our country great.'”

 

That is, of course, a lie. Trump not only beamed and nodded from the podium as his rally crowds chanted, “Lock her up,” he also said it himself, multiple times. He said it on Oct. 14, 2016, at a rally in Greensboro, N.C. As the crowd chanted the line, Trump said, “For what she’s done, they should lock her up.”

In fact, he said it numerous times on the 2016 campaign trail, and he carried the line forward during his presidency. He even said it of Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer in October 2020. When the crowd chanted, “Lock her up!” about Whitmer, Trump responded with, “Lock them all up.” And that same month, he told a crowd of the Bidens, “You should lock them up. Lock up the Bidens, lock up Hillary.”

When a crowd chanted, “Lock her up!” about Dr. Christine Blasey-Ford, the professor who accused Supreme Court Justice Bret Kavanaugh of assaulting her when both were teens, Trump gave the crowd enthusiastic nods and a thumbs-up.

As recently as last August, Trump hinted he might attempt to lock up his opponents. In an interview with Glenn Beck, the host asked, “Do you regret not ‘locking her up.’ And if you’re president again, will you lock people up?”

“The answer is you have no choice, because they’re doing it to us,” Trump responded.

Even with his conviction, it is unlikely that Trump himself will be “locked up” for any period of time. He will almost certainly appeal, and a prison sentence is unlikely for someone convicted of falsifying business records. But even though he faces a vanishingly small chance of time behind bars, Trump is all of a sudden painting himself as soft on crime.
 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-denies-ever-saying-lock-151844115.html

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

The hilarious and shameless Trump gaslighting continues 

Once again, slowly for you, trump SAID 'lock her up',  the dems have just gone and actually done it. For a crime that hillary also committed btw - falsifying documents to hide a payoff politically.   But when she got caught she got a fine. The dems want to put trump in jail for the same crime. 

The door is open now - this will not be the end. And nobody will be interested in your whining and crybabying when it gets used against the people you like. 

[BeaverFever]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Once again, slowly for you, trump SAID 'lock her up',  the dems have just gone and actually done it. For a crime that hillary also committed btw - falsifying documents to hide a payoff politically.   But when she got caught she got a fine. The dems want to put trump in jail for the same crime. 

The door is open now - this will not be the end. And nobody will be interested in your whining and crybabying when it gets used against the people you like. 

Sure, dodge the point that Trump just hilariously claimed he never said “lock her up”.
 

Second, A civil fine by the FEC is not the same as conviction on 34 criminal counts. Hillary’s campaign staff reported all their payments to their law firm as “legal fees” (go figure) while the FEC felt the one particular payment should have been reported as “opposition research” even though it was paid to their lawyer. It was reported the dispute was only over the description. It’s likely that the staff who fill out these reports have no idea what each particular legal consulting invoice is actually for, there are undoubtedly dozens and dozens of them for anything and everything under the sun. They agreed to a fine with no admission of wrongdoing. That’s nowhere near the same as Trump’s hush money and conspiracy to falsify business records in order to hide the payment. 

And nobody is attempting to put Trump in jail. By all accounts he is unlikely to face anything other than a fine

If Republicans really abhorred politically motivated abuses of power as they claim then they would not be threatening to do the same with vigour as soon as they get into power simply for “revenge”….not even if all their accusations and conspiracies were true, which they’re not. The reality is all these false and exaggerated claims of victimization and conspiracy have been cooked up in order to justify the corruption and authoritarian abuses they are planning. Every authoritarian regime in history has done the exact same thing.
 

What else can you expect from a party whose members openly admire thuggish autocrats like Orban and Putin and who attract the support of every openly fringe fascist and white nationalist group in the country? 

Edited June 3, 2024 by BeaverFever

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

A civil fine by the FEC is not the same as 34 criminal counts. And nobody is attempting to out Trump in jail. By all accounts he is unlikely to face anything other than a fine

Since Trump put Cohen in jail for his part in the same plot, it would be only fair if Trump also served some jail time.

Esp after he violated the gag order 10+ times. They ought to tack on at least 10 days for that.

[CdnFox]

45 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

A civil fine by the FEC is not the same as 34 criminal counts.

Yeah. That's the point.  A fine in one case, criminal charges on the other.  Hmmmm.

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And nobody is attempting to out Trump in jail.

There has never been a case of this type in the history of the US.  Despite when it happened they waited till he declared he was running again to pull it out. One of the prosecutors worked with the dems and biden specifically till like 5 minutes before these charges were laid. Won't let them call witnesses, won't allow a change of venue.  Won't recuse himself despite the appearance of conflict with his daughter. 

It is PAINFULLY Obvious, well beyond argument, that this judge and this prosecutor wants him in jail. 

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By all accounts he is unlikely to face anything other than a fine

He is up to 4 years in jail, and the prevailing opinion is that a judge that would go as far as this one did to twist the law to convict him isn't going to stop at a fine.  I think at the very least it's house arrest. 

And that would be bad at any time, but during an election year they would basically have gone out of their way to use the courts to severely hamper his ability to run for election. That is a direct attack on democracy.

Which is precisely why there has always been the convention that unless the crime is outrageously serious you don't go after a presidential candidate. But that Genie is out of the bottle now.

 

[BeaverFever]

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah. That's the point.  A fine in one case, criminal charges on the other.  Hmmmm.

The circumstances, the intent are completely different, as I explained.

 

46 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There has never been a case of this type in the history of the US

Because there has never been anyone as debased and compromised as Trump. 

 

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

One of the prosecutors worked with the dems and biden specifically till like 5 minutes before these charges were laid.

Cite please 

 

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Won't let them call witnesses

False. In fact they called 2 witnesses and could have called more. 
 

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

won't allow a change of venue

Why would they need a change of venue?  Crimes are usually tried in the jurisdiction where they occur. And he is a national figure, it’s not like there is a venue where nobody has heard of him or has an opinion about him. 
 

59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Won't recuse himself despite the appearance of conflict with his daughter. 

It’s not normal for a person to recuse themselves because of their child. That’s usually for spouses or where there is a direct financial interest at stake . And Republican USSC justices Alito and Thomas actually have spouses who are outspoken partisan extremists and yet they never recuse themselves. 

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It is PAINFULLY Obvious, well beyond argument, that this judge and this prosecutor wants him in jail. 

No that’s your imagination again. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

He is up to 4 years in jail, and the prevailing opinion is that a judge that would go as far as this one did to twist the law to convict him isn't going to stop at a fine.  I think at the very least it's house arrest. 

There’s not been any twisting of the law. He was caught on tap plotting it. His co-conspirator, his former lawyer, already was convicted for it and testified against him. As per his usual schtick, he has no defence against reality so he screams conspiracy and demands you not pay attention to the facts being presented. 

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Which is precisely why there has always been the convention that unless the crime is outrageously serious you don't go after a presidential candidate. But that Genie is out of the bottle now

Like Ive said his supporters don’t even deny he committed the crime they just demand their messiah is above the law and be granted complete immunity. It’s certainly plausible that other presidential candidates committed similar or perhaps worse crimes and made the allegations go away by discretely “playing ball” or pulling strings behind the scenes but Trump is unique in the myriad ways in which he is legally compromised, he isn’t isn’t just implicated in one scandal,  he has many unrelated criminal investigations into his conduct and abuse of office. Also he is uniquely unhinged and clueless nature and he instinctively makes his own situation worse with his public personal attacks,  rants and lies against any authority figure scrutinizing his activity.
 

Also interesting hypocrisy that the people who claim to admire Trump specifically because he ignores and defies norms and conventions are now complaining about an alleged convention that wasn’t followed, don’t you think?

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The circumstances, the intent are completely different, as I explained.

 

Because there has never been anyone as debased and compromised as Trump. 

 

Cite please 

 

False. In fact they called 2 witnesses and could have called more. 
 

Why would they need a change of venue?  Crimes are usually tried in the jurisdiction where they occur. And he is a national figure, it’s not like there is a venue where nobody has heard of him or has an opinion about him. 
 

It’s not normal for a person to recuse themselves because of their child. That’s usually for spouses or where there is a direct financial interest at stake . And Republican USSC justices Alito and Thomas actually have spouses who are outspoken partisan extremists and yet they never recuse themselves. 

 

No that’s your imagination again. 
 

There’s not been any twisting of the law. He was caught on tap plotting it. His co-conspirator, his former lawyer, already was convicted for it and testified against him. As per his usual schtick, he has no defence against reality so he screams conspiracy and demands you not pay attention to the facts being presented. 

 

Like Ive said his supporters don’t even deny he committed the crime they just demand their messiah is above the law and be granted complete immunity. It’s certainly plausible that other presidential candidates committed similar or perhaps worse crimes and made the allegations go away by discretely “playing ball” or pulling strings behind the scenes but Trump is unique in the myriad ways in which he is legally compromised, he isn’t isn’t just implicated in one scandal,  he has many unrelated criminal investigations into his conduct and abuse of office. Also he is uniquely unhinged and clueless nature and he instinctively makes his own situation worse with his public personal attacks,  rants and lies against any authority figure scrutinizing his activity.
 

Also interesting hypocrisy that the people who claim to admire Trump specifically because he ignores and defies norms and conventions are now complaining about an alleged convention that wasn’t followed, don’t you think?

What a lot of bullshit. 

The circumstances are no different at all.  Other than one's dem and the other's trump

And your claim appears to be that somehow it's ok to weaponize the courts becuase there's no one who's as evil as trump?  Do you need it explained to you why that's stupid?

And if  a change of venue would make no difference why not give him one ?   But we both know you're being dishonest. A change would have meant a different  judge that DIDN'T run on promising to 'get trump'.  And a more neutral jury pool. 

 

26 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Like Ive said his supporters don’t even deny he committed the crime

What they deny is that it's a crime. And it really isn't. Remember, it is only a crime if it is a part of a larger crime that has taken place. It is not a crime in and of itself. But he was never tried or convicted on the larger crime, the judge just said all you have to do is believe that there was a larger crime without proof or evidence and then these can be considered criminal.

In fact he advised the jury that they didn't even have to agree on what the greater crime was. As long as they all agreed that there was some greater crime out there of some sort even if they all thought it was a different one he would consider that to be you unanimous

That's why this trial is being referred to as a franken case or Russian nesting doll case Because it requires so many other things to be true that were never proven in court.

Like I said, this is never happened in history. And that's because it's got nothing to do with justice. But that door is open now and you can bet others will use it. Don't let me hear you cry when that happens

[herbie]

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Sorry - did you think the trial was about him cheating? Or even the payoff to stormy?

Well no wonder you sound so clueless on the subject