Canadian left wing media blames Israel for bombing a hospital, turned out to be Hamas

[West]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-killed-blast-gaza-strip-hospital-israel-blames-islamic-jihad

Left wing media peddled a lie about Israelis bombing a hospital. 

Here's one such example. Toronto Star also pointed to another. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/canadian-prime-minister-calls-israeli-185118333.html

 

Turned out to be Hamas

 

[Michael Hardner]

The article doesn't say who misreported the strike...

[West]

41 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The article doesn't say who misreported the strike...

No but the title from Yahoo shows they did and there's one from Toronto Star

[Michael Hardner]

31 minutes ago, West said:

No but the title from Yahoo shows they did and there's one from Toronto Star

Who is 'they' ?  The Toronto Star isn't cited in the article either.  Trudeau's reference to international law may imply that he was implicating Israel but it's not clear either.  Be assured that all this stuff is written for him by smarter people...

[West]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Who is 'they' ?  The Toronto Star isn't cited in the article either.  Trudeau's reference to international law may imply that he was implicating Israel but it's not clear either.  Be assured that all this stuff is written for him by smarter people...

They is Yahoo News who peddled disinformation. It's right in the title "Israeli strike on hospital"

 

Toronto Star did in another article as well peddling similar disinformation

Edited October 18, 2023 by West

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, West said:

1. They is Yahoo News who peddled disinformation. It's right in the title "Israeli strike on hospital"

2. Toronto Star did in another article as well peddling similar disinformation

1. Hmmmmm.... well SOMEBODY said it, I don't doubt that.  But it wasn't Yahoo! at least not revealed as such in the article.  If you are referring to the headline it's from Reuters and it refers to a 'reported strike' so ... are they referring to a news report or a report on the ground ?
2. I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt here. 

[Aristides]

Islamic Jihad is not Hamas.

[Moonlight Graham]

Looks like the hospital outdoor parking lot was hit and most of the cars were damaged from fire, and the hospital buildings weren't structurally damaged.  The 500 dead number provided by Hamas is looking doubtful.

[Dougie93]

40% of all rockets fired at Israel actually fall short and end up landing on the Palestinians in Gaza

[West]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Hmmmmm.... well SOMEBODY said it, I don't doubt that.  But it wasn't Yahoo! at least not revealed as such in the article.  If you are referring to the headline it's from Reuters and it refers to a 'reported strike' so ... are they referring to a news report or a report on the ground ?
2. I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt here. 

They didn't do their due diligence and spread disinformation. 

I'm personally trying to pursue what is true and rely on the media to give factual accounts of what has happened. 

[ExFlyer]

He said.... She said.

Misinformation, Disinformation and Propaganda.  Bullets, Bombs and Rockets are not the only weapons in a war.

No proof from either side.

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by ExFlyer

[WestCanMan]

The problem is actually Trudeau's quote.

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"The news coming out of Gaza is horrific and absolutely unacceptable ... international law needs to be respected in this and in all cases. There are rules around wars and it's not acceptable to hit a hospital," Trudeau told reporters.

He inadvertently, or maybe intentionally, fed Hamas's propaganda feed by falsely claiming it was an Israeli strike when there was literally no evidence of that.

Even now I don't know if I'd say that the evidence is clear that it was from Hamas because I've heard conflicting 'evidence' that it was from them.

I.e.: some reports say that a rocket fell there and its motor fizzled there for a while, but a close up video clearly shows a rocket hitting it directly. 

Would Hamas hit their own hospital? Of course.

When you take into account the fact that it was "The last Christian hospital in Gaza" that makes it a slam dunk. Of course those guys would blow up something like that.

As far as I know the jury is still out, but I haven't watched the news today (Yeah I mean Brett Baier ? ).

[taxme]

3 hours ago, West said:

No but the title from Yahoo shows they did and there's one from Toronto Star

Yahoo and the Toronto Star. Great news sources for people who do not want to know what really happened. Both belong to the leftist liberal cult. ?

[taxme]

4 hours ago, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-killed-blast-gaza-strip-hospital-israel-blames-islamic-jihad

Left wing media peddled a lie about Israelis bombing a hospital. 

Here's one such example. Toronto Star also pointed to another. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/canadian-prime-minister-calls-israeli-185118333.html

 

Turned out to be Hamas

 

Are you yourself certain of that that it was Hamas? It;'s possible because Christians in many Arab countries do hate Christians. It could be a good excuse to blame Israel. Again, you and I are standing on the outside looking in and we both will never truly ever find out the truth. All you and me have to go by is what we hear from the MSM. Any and everything they say is always up for questioning. 

[Legato]

 

Aftermath of explosion

Hospital still intact.

Cars show no signs of an outward explosion. Just fire damage.

[Moonlight Graham]

Good job by media and politicians to take the Hamas government's word on the attack and the # of casualties without verifying anything.  Looks like nobody hit the hospital, it hit a small outdoor parking lot and we don't even know if it was Israel or some Palestinian group that did it.  Don't take Israel's word for it either.

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, taxme said:

you and I are standing on the outside looking in and we both will never truly ever find out the truth.

You came out on this subject rejecting every truth anybody tried to tell you, especially if was from a Judeo-Christian perspective. 

 How do you propose to tell what is the truth now?

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

Judeo-Christian perspective

What does this mean?

[BeaverFever]

On 10/18/2023 at 3:09 PM, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-killed-blast-gaza-strip-hospital-israel-blames-islamic-jihad

Left wing media peddled a lie about Israelis bombing a hospital. 

Here's one such example. Toronto Star also pointed to another. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/canadian-prime-minister-calls-israeli-185118333.html

 

Turned out to be Hamas

 

Neither the headlines nor Trudeau said Israel bombed the hospital in those articles. Those stories cover JTs reactions to the initial reports of the hospital being bombed by Israel. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

What does this mean?

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Judeo-Christian values are essentially another term for biblical values. Judaism and Christianity are both based on the Old Testament — its God, its Ten Commandments, its admonition to love one’s neighbor as oneself, to love God, to lead a holy life, etc. Christians also believe in the New Testament, but only an opponent of Christianity would argue that the New Testament negates the values of the Old.

Here they are:

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1. Objective moral standards come from God.

As I have written and spoken about in a PragerU video and elsewhere, if there is no God who declares murder wrong, murder can be subjectively wrong but not objectively wrong. So, while there can certainly be nonbelievers who hold murder, stealing and other actions wrong, without God, those are opinions, not moral facts. Without the God of the Bible, there are no moral facts.

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2. God judges our behavior, and we are therefore accountable to God for our behavior.

Outside of a religious worldview, there is no higher being to whom we are morally accountable.

3. Just as morality derives from God, so do rights.

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All men “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,” declares the Declaration of Independence.

4. The human being is uniquely precious.

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While the Bible repeatedly forbids cruel behavior to animals (cutting or tearing off the limb of a living animal to eat it as a means of preserving the rest of the animal, not allowing an animal a day of rest, not allowing an animal to eat while working in the field), only human beings are created in God’s image.

5. The world is based on a divine order, meaning divinely ordained distinctions.

Among these divine distinctions are God and man, man and woman, human and animal, good and evil, and nature and God.

6. Human beings are not basically good.

Therefore, the most important moral endeavor is making good people. Religious Jews and Christians understand that the greatest battle in life is with one’s nature. For the opponents of Judeo-Christian values, the greatest moral battle is not with one’s nature; it is with society (specifically, American society).

7. Precisely because we are not basically good, we must not trust our hearts to lead us to proper behavior.

The road to hell is paved with good hearts. Feelings make us human, but they cannot direct our lives. This alone divides the Bible-based from those on the left.

8. All human beings are created in God’s image.

Therefore, race is of no significance. We all emanate from Adam and Eve, whose race is never mentioned. That many religious people held racist views only testifies to the almost infinite ability of people to distort what is good.

9. Fear God, not man.

Fear of God is a foundation of morality. In the Book of Exodus, Egyptian midwives were ordered by the Pharaoh to kill all newborn Hebrew boys. They disobeyed the divine king of Egypt. Why? Because “the midwives feared God.” In America today, more people fear the print, electronic and social media than fear God.

10. Human beings have free will.

In the secular world, there is no free will because all human behavior is attributed to genes

and environment. Only a religious worldview, which posits the existence of a divine soul — something independent of genes and environment — allows for free will.

11. Liberty.

America was founded on the belief that God wants us to be free. On the Liberty Bell is inscribed just one thing (aside from the name of the company that manufactured the bell). It is a verse from the Bible: “Proclaim Liberty Throughout All the Land Unto All the Inhabitants thereof.”

The current assaults on personal liberty — unprecedented in American history — emanate from those who reject the Bible as their moral guide (including more than a few Jews and Christians who have joined the assault, having been indoctrinated with anti-religious views in high school and college).

When Judeo-Christian principles are abandoned, evil eventually ensues.

One doesn’t have to be a believer to acknowledge this. Many secular conservatives recognize that the end of religion in the West leads to moral chaos — which is exactly what we are witnessing today and exactly what we witnessed in Europe last century.

When Christianity died in Europe, we got communism, fascism and Nazism. What will we get in America if Christianity and Judeo-Christian values die?

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Dennis Prager: 11 Signs You Have Real Judeo-Christian Values (westernjournal.com)

[West]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Israel bombed the hospital in those articles.

Yes the yahoo article 100% did say that. Why spread more lies?

[Zeitgeist]

A group mass murders 1300 people, mostly civilians including women and children.  The government of the country that was victim to this terrorist attack is blamed for attempting to defend its citizens and remove the terrorists.

Of course it’s tragic when innocent people die.  I hope Israel can be as careful as possible in its efforts.  Of course the history in the region is complicated.  Hamas knew how their evil acts wound play out.  They have sold out the people they purport to represent.  How can discussions of longer term political solutions take place in this context?

Our mainstream media won’t describe what happened accurately because it’s mostly just an arm of a government that’s pandering to identity groups to win votes.   The CBC has been inexcusably antisemitic in this regard, painting a picture of legitimate freedom fighting instead of a brutal terrorist attack.  At least the US government isn’t playing this game.

 I pray for the safety of innocent people in Gaza and Israel.  Obviously this mess of living under the boot of Hamas hasn’t worked and Israel and Gaza must find better political solutions.  Israel is dealing with immediate threats.  I feel sorry for innocent Gazans caught in the crossfire right now.  I wish the majority of people didn’t elect Hamas.  A political party that seeks to eliminate an ethnic group isn’t good for anyone.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, West said:

Yes the yahoo article 100% did say that. Why spread more lies?

No, you’re just another poorly educated gullible right winger who can’t read properly. It does not say that. 

[taxme]

On 10/19/2023 at 3:56 AM, blackbird said:

You came out on this subject rejecting every truth anybody tried to tell you, especially if was from a Judeo-Christian perspective. 

 How do you propose to tell what is the truth now?

 

 

Unless i am on the scene of the crime, i do not try to pretend that i really know as to what really happened. Your truth may not be the real truth. And seeing that Israeli has declared war against the Palestinian people, any and everything goes. 

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

And seeing that Israeli has declared war against the Palestinian people, any and everything goes. 

No, not any and everything goes when Israel goes into Gaza . What Hamas did when they started the massacre last week? That is an example of where any and everything goes. They have no limits. There is no line they will not cross.