Is Pope Francis Catholic?

[Zeitgeist]

A schism is growing in the Catholic Church unlike anything we’ve seen in hundreds of years.  You would have to look at times like the dual papacy in Avignon for similarities.  Archbishops are questioning the nature and purpose of the current Synod on Synodality.  Pope Francis has allowed practices that many believe are heretical.

 

[Zeitgeist]

So right after declaring that trans people can be baptized, be godparents, etc., Pope Francis fires Bishop Strickland.  He appears to be making an example of what happens to anyone who questions too loudly the major changes to the Catechism that Francis is making, despite many dubia (questions) from high ranking clergy.  Some of these changes require quite an acrobatics of logic to follow and appear to contradict long-held Church teachings.  Confusion is the general impression.  Strickland is clear, loved and respected in his diocese.  He was the led the protest against the sacrilegious drag nun performance at the Dodgers game.

It’s very hard not to see the division and confusion in the Church right now.  It’s definitely made me question whether the Pope is legitimate or good.   Whatever is popular in mass media and at the UN seems to be what matters now.  Non-practicing “Catholic” pro choice leaders like Biden and Trudeau are given the red carpet treatment.  Practicing Catholics seem to be derided. 

[TreeBeard]

Are the bishops receiving different orders from God than the Pope is?   
 

What grounds do you have to question the legitimacy of the Pope?  Because you disagree with him?

[TreeBeard]

The Pope is infallible in the teachings of doctrine….  Until he’s not! 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

[Aristides]

On 11/11/2023 at 2:50 PM, Zeitgeist said:

So right after declaring that trans people can be baptized, be godparents, etc., Pope Francis fires Bishop Strickland.  He appears to be making an example of what happens to anyone who questions too loudly the major changes to the Catechism that Francis is making, despite many dubia (questions) from high ranking clergy.  Some of these changes require quite an acrobatics of logic to follow and appear to contradict long-held Church teachings.  Confusion is the general impression.  Strickland is clear, loved and respected in his diocese.  He was the led the protest against the sacrilegious drag nun performance at the Dodgers game.

It’s very hard not to see the division and confusion in the Church right now.  It’s definitely made me question whether the Pope is legitimate or good.   Whatever is popular in mass media and at the UN seems to be what matters now.  Non-practicing “Catholic” pro choice leaders like Biden and Trudeau are given the red carpet treatment.  Practicing Catholics seem to be derided. 

Seems to me this is a natural process. A church cannot be mired in the 14th century if it wants to remain relevant, the Reformation should have taught that. Division and confusion can also be a positive thing when it comes to where they want to go in future.

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Seems to me this is a natural process. A church cannot be mired in the 14th century if it wants to remain relevant, the Reformation should have taught that. Division and confusion can also be a positive thing when it comes to where they want to go in future.

At this point it’s hard not to see Francis as having an agenda to destroy the Church.  Good people are weeded out and sketchy people are empowered.  It’s happened too many times to be dismissed.  

[CrakHoBarbie]

On 11/14/2023 at 9:19 PM, Zeitgeist said:

At this point it’s hard not to see Francis as having an agenda to destroy the Church.  Good people are weeded out and sketchy people are empowered.  It’s happened too many times to be dismissed.  

Actually, Pope Francis is trying to save the church from itself.

In 2013 he stated: "the Catholic Church must find a balance between "small-minded rules," like doctrines against abortion and homosexuality, or risk the the moral edifice of the church falling like a house of cards".

And he's right.

Keep demonizing homosexuality and contemporary man will continue to leave the church.

[sharkman]

The current pope is a WEF stooge, this is why he's making these moves. 

[CrakHoBarbie]

6 minutes ago, sharkman said:

The current pope is a WEF stooge, this is why he's making these moves. 

He's making these moves because science is kicking the shit out of religion.

If all y'all religious zealots do not stop with the small minded rules, the entire ediface of the church will collapse.

There are already less and less butts in pews every year. 

He's trying to save you from yourselves.

But y'all are really stubborn and are refusing to be saved.

So be it.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

He's making these moves because science is kicking the shit out of religion.

If all y'all religious zealots do not stop with the small minded rules, the entire ediface of the church will collapse.

There are already less and less butts in pews every year. 

He's trying to save you from yourselves.

But y'all are really stubborn and are refusing to be saved.

So be it.

The Catholic church has become an obsolete behemoth more interested in enriching itself instead of offering any help other than empty words to the followers.

[CrakHoBarbie]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

The Catholic church has become an obsolete behemoth more interested in enriching itself instead of offering any help other than empty words to the followers.

Well, considering religions are mythology based cults, they're still doing fairly well.

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by CrakHoBarbie

[herbie]

Enough of "Is the Pope Catholic", let's move on to

Do Bears Shit In The Woods?

[Zeitgeist]

For those with eyes to see, more deeply troubling moves:

 

[Michael Hardner]

I'm still upset over them allowing usury.  I brought a rosary to my loan officer at Scotiabank and he just took it and put it in his turban and laughed at me.

Edit: I want to be clear that I do NOT support racist humour but I do support anti-religious humour and it was in this vein that I wrote that, to make @Black Dog @Moonbox @Moonlight Graham @kimmy @Shady @Argus @bcsapper @BC_chick @BubberMiley @waldo and @Argus do LOLs.

I condemn myself for this post.

Edited December 18, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[Moonbox]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm still upset over them allowing usury.  I brought a rosary to my loan officer at Scotiabank and he just took it and put it in his turban and laughed at me.

Edit: I want to be clear that I do NOT support racist humour but I do support anti-religious humour and it was in this vein that I wrote that, to make @Black Dog @Moonbox @Moonlight Graham @kimmy @Shady @Argus @bcsapper @BC_chick @BubberMiley @waldo and @Argus do LOLs.

I condemn myself for this post.

Why did your loan officer take your rosary?

They're not called loan officers anymore anyways.  Rather, they're called poorly paid clerical input monkeys, who may or may not have completed highschool and who will almost certainly not still be working there next year.  

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I condemn myself for this post.

Meh, say a couple of Hail Marys, an Our Father, and eat fish on Fridays.

You might have to spend a fortnight or so in Purgatory, but you should still make it into Heaven.

Say hi to all the gay married couples for me, will you?

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Say hi to all the gay married couples for me, will you?

I guess you know where you are going.

[Guest]

10 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I guess you know where you are going.

Oblivion, unfortunately.  Or fortunately, depending on how you look at it.

After terramation, of course.

So you won't be able to eat your veg without wondering...

[Zeitgeist]

Wow, unprecedented:

 

[Zeitgeist]

This clip summarizes conditions at the highest levels of Catholic Church. I never thought I’d see such a radical departure from Church doctrine in my lifetime as I’ve seen in recent years, especially the past six months.  I’m not sure that the Pope will be able to exclude the many thousands (millions?) of Catholics questioning his new policies. How ironic that the Pope of “inclusion” is overseeing massive division and exclusion.  Under threat of excommunication, clergy seem to be under pressure from secular values like they haven’t been in a long time.

 

Edited January 3, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

Below is a clip showing Francis shaking hands with and giving a thumbs up to Serrano, the “artist” who put a crucifix in a jar of his own urine.  Catholics cannot avert their eyes anymore.

 

[Zeitgeist]

So much is unfolding in real time right now in the Church. The head of the Dicastri, Tucho Fernandez, the writer of Fiducia Suppicans (on the blessing of irregular and same sex couples) has been called out for heresy by very respected key bishops.  Fernandez has also been called out for recently discovered writings that seem to cross sex and religion in a kind of pornographic parody of religious mysticism.  I won’t say more because one can see for oneself.

The clip below gives a good overview of the current impasse:

 

Edited January 9, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[blackbird]

On 11/26/2023 at 8:07 AM, CrakHoBarbie said:

Actually, Pope Francis is trying to save the church from itself.

In 2013 he stated: "the Catholic Church must find a balance between "small-minded rules," like doctrines against abortion and homosexuality, or risk the the moral edifice of the church falling like a house of cards".

And he's right.

Keep demonizing homosexuality and contemporary man will continue to leave the church.

I am not a supporter of the Roman Catholic church because if is a false church.  It is a political-religious organization. The true Biblical church is built on age old truths in accordance with the King James Bible,  that do not change with the times.  Don't expect a real church to embrace liberalism or progressivism. That is not what a church is for.

Edited January 14, 2024 by blackbird

[CrakHoBarbie]

On 1/13/2024 at 8:16 PM, blackbird said:

That is not what a church is for.

What is a Church for?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

What is a Church for?

A church exists to hear the preaching of the Bible, a place where believers meet to fellowship together and encourage each other, and spread the message of the gospel.