Emergency Act commission

[Moonbox]

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So?  Does that warrant martial law?   Does it warrant character assassinations and freezing of bank accounts?

No, I don't think it does.  Though you're making a fair point, calling it martial law doesn't do you any favors.  The use of the Emergency Act on the trucker protest was a joke and should never happened.  That doesn't mean that the protestors should have been allowed to stay as long as they did, but that's part of the problem.  It's absurd that these protests somehow couldn't have been cleared/moved earlier without opting for the nuclear option.    

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Occupy Wall Street and the BLM occupation in Portland was tolerated.  Buildings were burned down and people assaulted during the BLM protests and most people basically accepted this rage and listened patiently to the cries to defund the police.

🥱

"but but but BLM and antiiiifa!"  This is just lazy whataboutism and deflection.  Neither of these were Canadian protests nor did they have anything to do with the Trucker Convoy.  The differences among all of the above are stark, but debating them serves no purpose other than to derail the topic and turn it into more culture-war bait. 

When you say these protests were "tolerated" or "basically accepted" that's pretty vague and misleading, but what I suspect you mean is that the participants weren't getting skewered in public opinion like the Truckers.  That's not on anyone but them.  The organizers were idiots and whatever genuine concerns (specifically economic) they had were drowned in moronic anger and conspiracy theories that people were exhausted listening to.  

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The learning from government’s response to the Freedom Convoy is that government can impose and maintain drastic measures and put down opposition to those measures without so much as an explanation or compromise.

Problematic.  Yes.  This is something that Trudeau should probably pay for, and we should get a very clear idea of what on earth went wrong to lead to it.  

[ExFlyer]

47 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So?  Does that warrant martial law?   Does it warrant character assassinations and freezing of bank accounts?   Occupy Wall Street and the BLM occupation in Portland was tolerated.  Buildings were burned down and people assaulted during the BLM protests and most people basically accepted this rage and listened patiently to the cries to defund the police.  The learning from government’s response to the Freedom Convoy is that government can impose and maintain drastic measures and put down opposition to those measures without so much as an explanation or compromise.

You say this so often

What martial law???

210 accounts and returned withing a week.

Occupy Wall Street and the BLM occupation in Portland is not  on Wellington Street Ottawa??  Absolute zero relevance. Typical deflection because you have not proper response.

[ExFlyer]

40 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not to mention the tens of thousands of videos of the protest that were uploaded showing a peaceful protest.

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

~~ George Orwell ~~

Ha, youtube, tiktiok and facetime... your source of reliable information LOL   LOL  LOL

[ExFlyer]

37 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The EMA can be invoked if a few blocks in Ottawa are congested with a protest?

Or if Ottawa residents are inconvenienced in any way?

Are you sure about that?

Who's the real 🤡 here? I mean besides Trudeau.

Not exclusively but, when borders are blocked, that added up to EMA.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You say this so often

What martial law???

210 accounts and returned withing a week.

Occupy Wall Street and the BLM occupation in Portland is not  on Wellington Street Ottawa??  Absolute zero relevance. Typical deflection because you have not proper response.

You keep comparing the Freedom Convoy to January 6.  My other point is that even if you call this an occupation, the use of martial law was unwarranted. It was a form of martial law or War Measures, basically a suspension of rights so law enforcement could do as it saw fit to remove protests that were arbitrarily declared illegal.  

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Loud, angry, ignorant losers with bouncy castles, hot tubs, families roaming freely, street dancing, street hockey games, entertainment stages and BBQs handing out free food.

Yes.

Very scary.

Try camping in your neighbour's front yard and parking your car in his driveway for three weeks doing all that stuff and see how much they like it

[Army Guy]

On 10/13/2022 at 6:47 PM, Aristides said:

Does that mean you have already decided not to believe the committee’s findings?

Well would you say it was good optics, does it instill your full confidence? or does it leave a little doubt that it will be impartial? 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

FINNALLY, you agree with me

When you admitted to being wrong.

[Goddess]

 

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Try camping in your neighbour's front yard and parking your car in his driveway for three weeks doing all that stuff and see how much they like it

Public vs. Private property.

At least try to make a sensible analogy, Ari.

[West]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You keep comparing the Freedom Convoy to January 6.  My other point is that even if you call this an occupation, the use of martial law was unwarranted. It was a form of martial law or War Measures, basically a suspension of rights so law enforcement could do as it saw fit to remove protests that were arbitrarily declared illegal.  

They wrangle over words when they have no argument

[Aristides]

46 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Public vs. Private property.

At least try to make a sensible analogy, Ari.

 

All the public. How about if someone blocked your front street for three weeks? That's public property to.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Aristides

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Well would you say it was good optics, does it instill your full confidence? or does it leave a little doubt that it will be impartial? 

What is impartial? People are testifying under oath. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/convoy-protest-money-csis-1.6621944

I guess you guys don't believe this either because the fix is in. 

[Goddess]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

All the public. How about if someone blocked your front street for three weeks? That's public property to.

Well for starters, I wouldn't expect the Canada-wide Emergency Act to be invoked for it.

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What is impartial? People are testifying under oath. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/convoy-protest-money-csis-1.6621944

I guess you guys don't believe this either because the fix is in. 

They're rolling back the lies, is all that is.

Remember when they said it was mostly foreign donations or possibly the Russians?

Stop reading the CBC.

You only get the truth after it's too obvious to cover up any longer and everyone else but you has figured it out.

[Goddess]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Ha, youtube, tiktiok and facetime... your source of reliable information LOL   LOL  LOL

I realize this is just you being a troll because you have nothing else to offer here, but when you say this, it makes you look really unintelligent.  Because I have a whole thread with prolly 100 links to actual scientific studies with explanations, that you won't look at.  Because you're not interested in science.  As you've said a few times now - you're only here to troll, not discuss.

[Aristides]

46 minutes ago, Goddess said:

They're rolling back the lies, is all that is.

Remember when they said it was mostly foreign donations or possibly the Russians?

Stop reading the CBC.

You only get the truth after it's too obvious to cover up any longer and everyone else but you has figured it out.

Geez Louise, did you bother to read it? CSIS says there wasn't a bunch of foreign money going into those accounts. Would you rather there was? Maybe you should lay off your conspiracy sites a little and read a little more CBC.

You wouldn't know this if there wasn't an enquiry but it's a farce. Right?

 

Effing hell, there is no reasoning with you.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Aristides

[Moonbox]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

The EMA can be invoked if a few blocks in Ottawa are congested with a protest?

No.  I have said before I think that was overreach.  Clearing the protestors out, like any other disruptive one we see that lasts too long?  Yep!

4 hours ago, West said:

This is actually factually incorrect. I know people who stayed in hotels and advised they were able to drive around and through without issues. 

How delusional do you need to be to convince yourself of that!?  All those trucks were parked in parking lots to the side then?  We didn't see people all over the streets the whole time?  Nobody was playing street hockey?  No streets were closed?  No buses were closed?  No gridlock?  Holy hell man.  🤨

[Goddess]

58 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Geez Louise, did you bother to read it? CSIS says there wasn't a bunch of foreign money going into those accounts. Would you rather there was? Maybe you should lay off your conspiracy sites a little and read a little more CBC.

You wouldn't know this if there wasn't an enquiry but it's a farce. Right?

 

Effing hell, there is no reasoning with you.

Yes, I read it.  That's great that they are finally admitting there was no foreign funding.  But previously, they reported that the convoy was funded almost entirely by non-Canadians, and they also reported Freeland's comments that it was the Russians.

Geez Louise, did YOU read the article?  It's from TODAY.

Again - prior to this, the CBC was reporting LIES.  Thus, I say - they are now rolling back the lies.  Do you expect me to give them a big BRAVO! for that?

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Yes, I read it.  That's great that they are finally admitting there was no foreign funding.  But previously, they reported that the convoy was funded almost entirely by non-Canadians, and they also reported Freeland's comments that it was the Russians.

Geez Louise, did YOU read the article?  It's from TODAY.

Again - prior to this, the CBC was reporting LIES.  Thus, I say - they are now rolling back the lies.  Do you expect me to give them a big BRAVO! for that?

They can lie to justify suspending rights then simply apologize later.  Oops

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Yes, I read it.  That's great that they are finally admitting there was no foreign funding.  But previously, they reported that the convoy was funded almost entirely by non-Canadians, and they also reported Freeland's comments that it was the Russians.

Geez Louise, did YOU read the article?  It's from TODAY.

Again - prior to this, the CBC was reporting LIES.  Thus, I say - they are now rolling back the lies.  Do you expect me to give them a big BRAVO! for that?

This was CSIS testifying under oath, not the government. Yes it was today, from the enquiry you are slagging.

I don't expect a big bravo, but maybe you could acknowledge that this enquiry might just be doing its job, but no, you are so far down your conspiracy rabbit hole there is never a chance of anything like that happen. Why are you even commenting on this topic? 

Edited October 20, 2022 by Aristides

[myata]

8 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The use of the Emergency Act on the trucker protest was a joke and should never happened. 

The problem is not that should or shouldn't have happened it's a baby talk. Two centuries of baby talk how's that work for a 21st century democracy? The problem is that there are no real, effective and functional mechanisms checking, arresting and preventing government overreach and abuse of power. Just none. If they existed could be seen in this reality. But no, nothing. Only baby talk and be happy.

[ExFlyer]

15 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You keep comparing the Freedom Convoy to January 6.  My other point is that even if you call this an occupation, the use of martial law was unwarranted. It was a form of martial law or War Measures, basically a suspension of rights so law enforcement could do as it saw fit to remove protests that were arbitrarily declared illegal.  

Jan 6?? In the US?

Why and when would I compare the trucker debacle to some American insurrection??

I just keep asking you what martial law? You keep saying it and I keep asking what martial law was called?

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

When you admitted to being wrong.

When did I admit I was wrong. Oh, never LOL 

Comprehension issues again I see LOL

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, Goddess said:

I realize this is just you being a troll because you have nothing else to offer here, but when you say this, it makes you look really unintelligent.  Because I have a whole thread with prolly 100 links to actual scientific studies with explanations, that you won't look at.  Because you're not interested in science.  As you've said a few times now - you're only here to troll, not discuss.

Look, you are trying to make stuff up.

I have been watching. The main thrust of the testimony so far has been Ottawa municipal officials explaining and and answering questions aabput what was going on at the time of the gathering of trucks.

The questioning and discussion of invoking of the EMA has not yet begun.

Scientific studies?? Of invoking the EMA?? Are you drinking again? LOL

Not trolling at all. Just calling out idiotic statements like yours.