Emergency Act commission

[myata]

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Uhhhm ok?  So arrest them.

A natural reaction of an authoritarian government that simply doesn't understand that it's not the people exist for the governments to govern, but governments to manage common matters for the people, and no other reasons for them to exist. But how could they be shaken back to the reality here? No mechanisms exist. "We rule so you are", for your own good.

Remember that outrageous scare propaganda, a thick sticky mudslide of fear pouring out of all outlets and orifices? It's gotten completely out of all bounds and proportions, of reality and reason. And no checks, no controls. Just scary.

Edited October 18, 2022 by myata

[myata]

No bureaucratic system can check and control itself. It's only a matter of time, not if. It would be dumb and lazy to try it again after so many examples. But we are lazy and ...

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[Michael Hardner]

Doug Ford has said that he stands with Trudeau on the subject of the convoy response.

 

There you have it... A conservative and a populist even making his choice. All I will say, leaving aside the question of whether it was the right choice or not, is that there are actually a spectrum.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.cp24.com/news/2022/10/17/1_6112708.html

[myata]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

A conservative and a populist even making his choice

What a surprise, the great Canadian elites coming together to stand for the one and only status quo. Talking heads, justices, employees or representatives still figuring out with paycheck highest in the developed world, all the happy, busy (with what?) bunch. Just think of the stakes. Pigs revolted against the trough.

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[ExFlyer]

8 hours ago, myata said:

No bureaucratic system can check and control itself. It's only a matter of time, not if. It would be dumb and lazy to try it again after so many examples. But we are lazy and ...

The "bureaucracy" is the group that follows rules, regulations, laws and procedures set up and made law by politicians.

It does not check nor control itself as it is checked and controlled by the mere fact it has no other job but to follow the proceduress enacted by the rulers of the land, regardless of party..

Edited October 18, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Boges]

Look who's got JT's back. 

https://www.ipolitics.ca/queens-park/i-stood-shoulder-to-shoulder-with-the-prime-minister-on-emergencies-act-ford

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Ontario Premier Doug Ford says he fully supports Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's decision to invoke the Emergencies Act to deal with the "freedom convoy" protests last winter.

"I stood shoulder to shoulder with the prime minister," Ford said on Monday morning at an unrelated announcement with Trudeau near Ottawa. "These folks were camping out — everything from whirlpools — disrupting downtown, disrupting the lives of the people of Ottawa."

 

 

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[ExFlyer]

Commission hearings live on CBC News Network.

 

 

By the numbers: How much the 'Freedom Convoy' cost the city of Ottawa

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/by-the-numbers-how-much-the-freedom-convoy-cost-the-city-of-ottawa/ar-AA133Vre?ocid=EMMX&cvid=c673be64b2354fcab291d4681e85b1e1

Ottawa city official accused feds of 'friendly fire' amid convoy confusion

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ottawa-city-official-accused-feds-of-friendly-fire-amid-convoy-confusion/ar-AA132xV6?ocid=EMMX&cvid=c673be64b2354fcab291d4681e85b1e1

 

Parliament security took issue with city moving convoy trucks near Parliament Hill

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/parliament-security-took-issue-with-city-moving-convoy-trucks-near-parliament-hill/ar-AA133NCS?ocid=EMMX&cvid=c673be64b2354fcab291d4681e85b1e1

Ottawa police, City Hall knew convoy protests would dig in: documents

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ottawa-police-city-hall-knew-convoy-protests-would-dig-in-documents/ar-AA133VWt?ocid=EMMX&cvid=c673be64b2354fcab291d4681e85b1e1

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[myata]

OK so not much (nothing) about the necessity and justification for Emergencies. And so now every time there's a local screw up in a far far away village Federal Government will have to bring in the National Emergency Troops because there's no other way (and because it can).

Mandates were forced on the population to the tune of massive scare propaganda blowing the situation out of all reasonable proportions. In Sweden, there were no mandates. There were no federal employment mandates in UK and many other countries.

That caused a backlash among certain part of population.

Government invoked emergency measures and resorted to forceful suppression and prosecution.

What here doesn't look like a third-world scenario? We will never get accountability from the government, it will all be about how the peasants were managed.

[Boges]

17 minutes ago, myata said:

OK so not much (nothing) about the necessity and justification for Emergencies. And so now every time there's a local screw up in a far far away village Federal Government will have to bring in the National Emergency Troops because there's no other way (and because it can).

Mandates were forced on the population to the tune of massive scare propaganda blowing the situation out of all reasonable proportions. In Sweden, there were no mandates. There were no federal employment mandates in UK and many other countries.

That caused a backlash among certain part of population.

Government invoked emergency measures and resorted to forceful suppression and prosecution.

What here doesn't look like a third-world scenario? We will never get accountability from the government, it will all be about how the peasants were managed.

You can get accountability in the next election. 

But I'm pretty sure JT can actually run on standing up to Convoy Terrorists and gain votes. 

[Nefarious Banana]

Gerald Michael Butts . . . . architect for Canada's lunge into Marxism ?

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Gerald Michael Butts . . . . architect for Canada's lunge into Marxism ?

 

Trudeau's real wife.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

You can get accountability in the next election.

Bullshit, not even a misconception. No accountability where no meaningful change is possible. Useless talkshow "commission" instead and be happy.

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[Boges]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Bullshit, not even a misconception. No accountability where no meaningful change is possible. Useless talkshow "commission" instead and be happy.

Maybe that's because your political leanings fall too far outside of what defines as electable in Canada. 

This commission is mandated by the use of the Emergencies Act. 

[TreeBeard]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Bullshit, not even a misconception. No accountability where no meaningful change is possible.

Just because you don’t like the outcome, does not mean there is no possibility of change.  

[ExFlyer]

19 minutes ago, myata said:

Bullshit, not even a misconception. No accountability where no meaningful change is possible. Useless talkshow "commission" instead and be happy.

Not liking the real facts coming out of the commission so far?  Not aligning with your facebook, youtube and tiktok videos? LOL

[Zeitgeist]

The inquiry will find no wrongdoing because its members and the media outlets that report the proceedings are biased towards the government. Sure we’ll hear some concerns and wrist-slapping.  It’s like holding an election for which we know the outcome, but it’s nice to talk about other outcomes the way one might read fairy tales with happy endings.  

[myata]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

This commission

Useless talkshow, in the no-bull language. Translated.

[myata]

40 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

but it’s nice to talk about other outcomes the way one might read fairy tales with happy endings.  

A nice summary of Canada's political reality and essence. Mutatio fieri non potest.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Not liking the real facts coming out of the commission so far?  Not aligning with your facebook, youtube and tiktok videos? LOL

So far it's a lot of complaints about noise and congestion, some unproven anecdotes (one witness talked about a homeless man getting beat up but could not provide a name, police report or any other information).

If you look at the criteria for declaring the Emergency Act, inconvenience and noise are not part of the criteria for declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law across the country.

[ExFlyer]

51 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The inquiry will find no wrongdoing because its members and the media outlets that report the proceedings are biased towards the government. Sure we’ll hear some concerns and wrist-slapping.  It’s like holding an election for which we know the outcome, but it’s nice to talk about other outcomes the way one might read fairy tales with happy endings.  

There is no intent to find wrongdoing. The intent is to find out what happend and why invoking the EMA was required.

11 minutes ago, myata said:

Useless talkshow, in the no-bull language. Translated.

No alignment your narrative eh? LOL

8 minutes ago, myata said:

A nice summary of Canada's political reality and essence. Mutatio fieri non potest.

No summary, just first hand evidence and answers top questions. No change required, necessary or wanted.

 

[ExFlyer]

Just now, Goddess said:

So far it's a lot of complaints about noise and congestion, some unproven anecdotes (one witness talked about a homeless man getting beat up but could not provide a name, police report or any other information).

If you look at the criteria for declaring the Emergency Act, inconvenience and noise are not part of the criteria for declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law across the country.

No complaints at all. The questions are asked and answered.

Unproven anecdotes like the facebook, tiktok and youtube stuff some of you have espoused?

The act was not invoked for noise, the noise was quelled by court order long before the act was invoked.

Who imposed martial law across the country???

[myata]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

does not mean there is no possibility of change.

To see the change and to talk about it to the death by bored infinity is not the same thing. How hard is it to get, and when at last?

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[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

There is no intent to find wrongdoing. The intent is to find out what happend and why invoking the EMA was required.

No alignment your narrative eh? LOL

No summary, just first hand evidence and answers top questions. No change required, necessary or wanted.

 

So ultimately government can act arbitrarily no matter how harmful its actions without accountability.  This is Trudeau’s Canada.  Sad that the system makes this possible.  The system needs reform.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Boges]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So ultimately government can act arbitrarily no matter how harmful its actions without accountability.  This is Trudeau’s Canada.  Sad that the system makes this possible.  The system needs reform.

What accountability are you looking for? You want a duley elected government to be deposed because you don't like something they did? 

PP and the CPC are free to use the invocation of the EMA as evidence JT doesn't deserve another mandate when they face the electorate again. 

[ExFlyer]

19 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

So ultimately government can act arbitrarily no matter how harmful its actions without accountability.  This is Trudeau’s Canada.  Sad that the system makes this possible.  The system needs reform.

How can you say that after 4 days of testimony in a 6 week inquiry?? LOL  Not going your way so far LOL

That is the entire reason of the commission, to find out why and be accountable.

All witnesses are under oath.

65 witnesses set to testify at inquiry into use of Emergencies Act

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/public-inquiry-emergencies-act-witness-list-1.6612455

Edited October 19, 2022 by ExFlyer