Emergency Act commission

[Boges]

Look who's got JT's back. 

https://www.ipolitics.ca/queens-park/i-stood-shoulder-to-shoulder-with-the-prime-minister-on-emergencies-act-ford

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Ontario Premier Doug Ford says he fully supports Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's decision to invoke the Emergencies Act to deal with the "freedom convoy" protests last winter.

"I stood shoulder to shoulder with the prime minister," Ford said on Monday morning at an unrelated announcement with Trudeau near Ottawa. "These folks were camping out — everything from whirlpools — disrupting downtown, disrupting the lives of the people of Ottawa."

 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Boges

[ExFlyer]

Commission hearings live on CBC News Network.

 

 

By the numbers: How much the 'Freedom Convoy' cost the city of Ottawa

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/by-the-numbers-how-much-the-freedom-convoy-cost-the-city-of-ottawa/ar-AA133Vre?ocid=EMMX&cvid=c673be64b2354fcab291d4681e85b1e1

Ottawa city official accused feds of 'friendly fire' amid convoy confusion

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ottawa-city-official-accused-feds-of-friendly-fire-amid-convoy-confusion/ar-AA132xV6?ocid=EMMX&cvid=c673be64b2354fcab291d4681e85b1e1

 

Parliament security took issue with city moving convoy trucks near Parliament Hill

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/parliament-security-took-issue-with-city-moving-convoy-trucks-near-parliament-hill/ar-AA133NCS?ocid=EMMX&cvid=c673be64b2354fcab291d4681e85b1e1

Ottawa police, City Hall knew convoy protests would dig in: documents

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ottawa-police-city-hall-knew-convoy-protests-would-dig-in-documents/ar-AA133VWt?ocid=EMMX&cvid=c673be64b2354fcab291d4681e85b1e1

Edited October 18, 2022 by ExFlyer

[myata]

OK so not much (nothing) about the necessity and justification for Emergencies. And so now every time there's a local screw up in a far far away village Federal Government will have to bring in the National Emergency Troops because there's no other way (and because it can).

Mandates were forced on the population to the tune of massive scare propaganda blowing the situation out of all reasonable proportions. In Sweden, there were no mandates. There were no federal employment mandates in UK and many other countries.

That caused a backlash among certain part of population.

Government invoked emergency measures and resorted to forceful suppression and prosecution.

What here doesn't look like a third-world scenario? We will never get accountability from the government, it will all be about how the peasants were managed.

[Boges]

17 minutes ago, myata said:

OK so not much (nothing) about the necessity and justification for Emergencies. And so now every time there's a local screw up in a far far away village Federal Government will have to bring in the National Emergency Troops because there's no other way (and because it can).

Mandates were forced on the population to the tune of massive scare propaganda blowing the situation out of all reasonable proportions. In Sweden, there were no mandates. There were no federal employment mandates in UK and many other countries.

That caused a backlash among certain part of population.

Government invoked emergency measures and resorted to forceful suppression and prosecution.

What here doesn't look like a third-world scenario? We will never get accountability from the government, it will all be about how the peasants were managed.

You can get accountability in the next election. 

But I'm pretty sure JT can actually run on standing up to Convoy Terrorists and gain votes. 

[Nefarious Banana]

Gerald Michael Butts . . . . architect for Canada's lunge into Marxism ?

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Gerald Michael Butts . . . . architect for Canada's lunge into Marxism ?

 

Trudeau's real wife.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

You can get accountability in the next election.

Bullshit, not even a misconception. No accountability where no meaningful change is possible. Useless talkshow "commission" instead and be happy.

Edited October 18, 2022 by myata

[Boges]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Bullshit, not even a misconception. No accountability where no meaningful change is possible. Useless talkshow "commission" instead and be happy.

Maybe that's because your political leanings fall too far outside of what defines as electable in Canada. 

This commission is mandated by the use of the Emergencies Act. 

[TreeBeard]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Bullshit, not even a misconception. No accountability where no meaningful change is possible.

Just because you don’t like the outcome, does not mean there is no possibility of change.  

[ExFlyer]

19 minutes ago, myata said:

Bullshit, not even a misconception. No accountability where no meaningful change is possible. Useless talkshow "commission" instead and be happy.

Not liking the real facts coming out of the commission so far?  Not aligning with your facebook, youtube and tiktok videos? LOL

[Zeitgeist]

The inquiry will find no wrongdoing because its members and the media outlets that report the proceedings are biased towards the government. Sure we’ll hear some concerns and wrist-slapping.  It’s like holding an election for which we know the outcome, but it’s nice to talk about other outcomes the way one might read fairy tales with happy endings.  

[myata]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

This commission

Useless talkshow, in the no-bull language. Translated.

[myata]

40 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

but it’s nice to talk about other outcomes the way one might read fairy tales with happy endings.  

A nice summary of Canada's political reality and essence. Mutatio fieri non potest.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Not liking the real facts coming out of the commission so far?  Not aligning with your facebook, youtube and tiktok videos? LOL

So far it's a lot of complaints about noise and congestion, some unproven anecdotes (one witness talked about a homeless man getting beat up but could not provide a name, police report or any other information).

If you look at the criteria for declaring the Emergency Act, inconvenience and noise are not part of the criteria for declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law across the country.

[ExFlyer]

51 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The inquiry will find no wrongdoing because its members and the media outlets that report the proceedings are biased towards the government. Sure we’ll hear some concerns and wrist-slapping.  It’s like holding an election for which we know the outcome, but it’s nice to talk about other outcomes the way one might read fairy tales with happy endings.  

There is no intent to find wrongdoing. The intent is to find out what happend and why invoking the EMA was required.

11 minutes ago, myata said:

Useless talkshow, in the no-bull language. Translated.

No alignment your narrative eh? LOL

8 minutes ago, myata said:

A nice summary of Canada's political reality and essence. Mutatio fieri non potest.

No summary, just first hand evidence and answers top questions. No change required, necessary or wanted.

 

[ExFlyer]

Just now, Goddess said:

So far it's a lot of complaints about noise and congestion, some unproven anecdotes (one witness talked about a homeless man getting beat up but could not provide a name, police report or any other information).

If you look at the criteria for declaring the Emergency Act, inconvenience and noise are not part of the criteria for declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law across the country.

No complaints at all. The questions are asked and answered.

Unproven anecdotes like the facebook, tiktok and youtube stuff some of you have espoused?

The act was not invoked for noise, the noise was quelled by court order long before the act was invoked.

Who imposed martial law across the country???

[myata]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

does not mean there is no possibility of change.

To see the change and to talk about it to the death by bored infinity is not the same thing. How hard is it to get, and when at last?

Edited October 18, 2022 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

There is no intent to find wrongdoing. The intent is to find out what happend and why invoking the EMA was required.

No alignment your narrative eh? LOL

No summary, just first hand evidence and answers top questions. No change required, necessary or wanted.

 

So ultimately government can act arbitrarily no matter how harmful its actions without accountability.  This is Trudeau’s Canada.  Sad that the system makes this possible.  The system needs reform.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Boges]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So ultimately government can act arbitrarily no matter how harmful its actions without accountability.  This is Trudeau’s Canada.  Sad that the system makes this possible.  The system needs reform.

What accountability are you looking for? You want a duley elected government to be deposed because you don't like something they did? 

PP and the CPC are free to use the invocation of the EMA as evidence JT doesn't deserve another mandate when they face the electorate again. 

[ExFlyer]

19 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

So ultimately government can act arbitrarily no matter how harmful its actions without accountability.  This is Trudeau’s Canada.  Sad that the system makes this possible.  The system needs reform.

How can you say that after 4 days of testimony in a 6 week inquiry?? LOL  Not going your way so far LOL

That is the entire reason of the commission, to find out why and be accountable.

All witnesses are under oath.

65 witnesses set to testify at inquiry into use of Emergencies Act

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/public-inquiry-emergencies-act-witness-list-1.6612455

Edited October 19, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

What accountability are you looking for? You want a duley elected government to be deposed because you don't like something they did? 

PP and the CPC are free to use the invocation of the EMA as evidence JT doesn't deserve another mandate when they face the electorate again. 

Yes they can do that, but what are the consequences for abuses that took place during the Act and the inappropriate use of the Act?  A conversation with various people involved that ends without consequence or directives to remediate the misuse?

You still don’t see how rights were compromised.  Some people won’t, but constitutional rights aren’t only supposed to be protected when most people care.  That’s the whole point of protecting minority rights against the tyranny of the majority.  You may not agree with or like anti-vaxers, but stripping them of employment, the freedom to ride a train, etc. is the removal of rights, and it really became a stretch to argue medical necessity by last February.  It was also a stretch to declare a protest illegal after blockades had been removed and the honking stopped.  Civil liberties organizations understand what was at stake.  

Edited October 18, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[ExFlyer]

36 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes they can do that, but what are the consequences for abuses that took place during the Act and the inappropriate use of the Act?  A conversation with various people involved that ends without consequence or directives to remediate the misuse?

You still don’t see how rights were compromised.  Some people won’t, but constitutional rights aren’t only supposed to be protected when most people care.  That’s the whole point of protecting minority rights against the tyranny of the majority.  You may not agree with or like anti-vaxers, but stripping them of employment, the freedom to ride a train, etc. is the removal of rights, and it really became a stretch to argue medical necessity by last February.  It was also a stretch to declare a protest illegal after blockades had been removed and the honking stopped.  Civil liberties organizations understand what was at stake.  

Abuses? According to who?

The inquiry is to find out if there were or are misuses.

None of your presumed stripping of rights had anything tot do with the EMA.

Medical necessity did not have anything to do with EMA.  Provincial public health authorities made those decisions.

Who "declare a protest illegal after blockades had been removed and the honking stopped."?? Who??

Civil liberty organizations have a seat at the table and can question and make their points.

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

29 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Abuses? According to who?

The inquiry is to find out if there were or are misuses.

None of your presumed stripping of rights had anything tot do with the EMA.

Medical necessity did not have anything to do with EMA.  Provincial public health authorities made those decisions.

Who "declare a protest illegal after blockades had been removed and the honking stopped."?? Who??

Civil liberty organizations have a seat at the table and can question and make their points.

 

 

You don’t know that the trucker mandates were federal.  ExFlyer, I don’t know what you’re trying to do defending the Trudeau government and downplaying what happened.  You, Boges, and a number of other government apologists leave me cold because you don’t see the infringement and how second rate our democracy is.  That’s fine.  Wear the rose-coloured glasses.  Been there, done that.  

[ExFlyer]

21 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You don’t know that the trucker mandates were federal.  ExFlyer, I don’t know what you’re trying to do defending the Trudeau government and downplaying what happened.  You, Boges, and a number of other government apologists leave me cold because you don’t see the infringement and how second rate our democracy is.  That’s fine.  Wear the rose-coloured glasses.  Been there, done that.  

I am not defending anything. No one is downplaying anything.

No, I do not see any infringement. A public health crisis was managed as best as the authority could and , blaming Trudeau, you know that is incorrect. The lock downs and so much more were provincially established. Employers were also culpable in their actions to protect their employees from health issues. Your one sides approch is what is wrong with you and a few others on this forum.

The truckers on wellington street shit on their own beds. The real truckers kept on trucking. No rose coloured glasses are needed to know that the huge majority of truckers did just fine and did not make asses of themselves and did not have to be accosted through the EMA.

Now, the inquiry is going on and the witnesses, from all sides, including your hero lich and whatshisname get to say their piece.

You have been nowhere, except in front of your keyboard and screen and have done nothing except whine on a public forum .

Yours, and a few other criticisms are long and tired by now but, the topic is the public inquiry going on right now.

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

How can you say that after 4 days of testimony in a 6 week inquiry?? LOL  Not going your way so far LOL

That is the entire reason of the commission, to find out why and be accountable.

All witnesses are under oath.

Someone who has made up their mind before it even started can say that.