Emergency Act commission

[herbie]

Got any more red herrings in your bucket?

Gorsh - they were local nazis and malcontents, I guess they're perfectly acceptable then....

[West]

Wow so testimony shows that Trudeaus barbaric and pointless vaccine mandates slowed down trade by as much as 10% and drastically affected supply chains. 

People who still support the mandates are responsible for the disruptions in supply chain which contributed significantly to skyrocketing inflation. 

[West]

So what we learned today: 

-Convoy organizers and their lawyers had a deal with the city where they would move trucks from downtown. 

-102 trucks had been moved prior to invoking of the Emergencies Act and they continued to move vehicles until being baracaded in 

-The PMO was notified of the deal via texts and emails

-The protest would continue with much of downtown cleared but for in front of the PMO office

-Trudeau decided to throw a tantrum knowing this would embarass him using state violence to break up the protest. 

 

But nah let's not call the man baby a tyrant 

[myata]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

Gorsh - they were local nazis and malcontents,

So typical of the left. Find the right, fitting label for "them". Then send them to the camps. What "constitution", why? All must be eternally happy and perfectly content, always as certified by your friendly emotion police.

[myata]

2 hours ago, West said:

But nah let's not call the man baby a tyrant 

OMG how many times do we need to hear that? It was known in 1215 and 1791, written in books and constitutions. The problem is not with men, egomaniacs, tyrants, Caligulas. Men, humans do that, it's only the DNA.

The problem is with the system that allows them all and anything, no questions asked. And if it's not obvious to us yet, then there's no hope, just forget it no chance.

Edited October 21, 2022 by myata

[Dougie93]

Rupa Subramanya: Justin Trudeau's case against the Freedom Convoy falls on its face

How are our elected officials who purvey what can only be called misinformation be held to account?

It’s striking how many public officials, including outgoing Ottawa mayor Jim Watson, outgoing city councillor Mathieu Fleury, and would be mayor Catherine McKenney, made strong claims that the protesters were violent and destructive. For example, Watson claimed that protesters were ripping masks off local residents, but when challenged under cross examination, he admitted he didn’t see this himself but heard about it in media reports. This was a refrain from many of the public officials making these assertions about the protesters, and when challenged referred to hearing about it in the media. This was a classic case of the tail wagging the dog, as some media reports were largely parroting the narrative of the public officials without providing much if any documentary evidence.

Without doubt, the most important witness to date has been Pat Morris, who is intelligence chief of the Ontario Provincial Police. If anyone would know if the protesters were dangerous, it would have to be Morris. However, in his testimony, he was very clear that the OPP had produced no intelligence that the protesters would be armed, describing much of the rhetoric around the protests as “hyperbole” and “sensationalized.” In its totality, his testimony shredded the idea that the Ottawa protesters were anything like the insurrectionists who stormed Capitol Hill in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021.

Morris’s testimony also put paid to the notion that the protesters were an irrational and crazy fringe who had no good reason to be in Ottawa. On the contrary, he acknowledged the “multitude of grievances” of the protesters, whom he described as comprising of regular citizens with a “large degree of support” across the country. He saw them as group that was “organic” and “grassroots.” So much for Trudeau’s fringe minority of crazies.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-justin-trudeaus-case-against-the-freedom-convoy-falls-on-its-face

 

[Zeitgeist]

Subramanya is a good journalist.  Her articles have appeared on Beri Weiss’s Common Sense Substack.  20 years ago she would’ve been considered a really important voice by Canada’s MSM, but now our major newspapers have become mostly government mouthpieces, repeating government rhetoric unquestioningly.

Trudeau’s government can basically do whatever it wants in this climate with impunity.   

Edited October 21, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[ExFlyer]

18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Bullshit

Uhuh.

Ya had to be there. I was, you weren't.

Facts are that they did not start to leave until the EMA was enacted and were told the tow trucks were coming in the morning.

What has come out during the commission so far is what we, in Ottawa, already knew. The Ottawa police were inept, unprepared, leaderless, confused, unwilling to listen to advice from other organizations, even the hotel association. the totally screwed up the entire operation and had no where to go.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/there-was-no-plan-officers-slam-ottawa-police-handling-of-freedom-convoy/ar-AA13aZdr?ocid=EMMX&cvid=dccc2c5dd9714e1bb4b379e1d66af68c

The Police Chief clearly had no grip on his officers and was embarrassed into quitting. One debacle trying to control another debacle and that led to the EMA debacle.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/opp-testimony-on-dysfunction-in-ottawa-police-during-freedom-convoy-continues/ar-AA13di0A?ocid=EMMX&cvid=dccc2c5dd9714e1bb4b379e1d66af68c

According to the police testimony and records provided, the 'family friendly" protest resulted in 535 charges being laid including assaults on officers, carrying conceals weapons other weapons charges, uttering threats of death or bodily harm, possession of restricted weponsand many other charges and that they could not investigate all the charges being reported..

Edited October 21, 2022 by ExFlyer

[ironstone]

This is another great video from True North:

The testimony of longtime Ottawa councillor Mathieu Fleury is pathetic!

[eyeball]

21 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

One flag meaning what, that Trudeau is acting like Hitler?  You’re playing Trudeau’s manipulative game.  Seize on the flag and say the protesters “are walking with the Nazis”.  Pathetic 

So says the guy who routinely plays the very same game and says Trudeau is acting like Hitler and Canada is a totalitarian dictatorship!?

STFU. Seriously.

[Zeitgeist]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So says the guy who routinely plays the very same game and says Trudeau is acting like Hitler and Canada is a totalitarian dictatorship!?

STFU. Seriously.

Who told you to abandon your prison guard post?

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Who told you to abandon your prison guard post?

Did you not see where I said seriously?  You people really need to get a grip.

I was actually going to give Poilievre a chance but I'm starting to think I'm going back to basing my choice on the potential  influence followers will have on Canada's leaders.  Any party/country that includes as many people with the same insanely warped perspective as your's is unhealthy to say the least.  

[Zeitgeist]

34 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Did you not see where I said seriously?  You people really need to get a grip.

I was actually going to give Poilievre a chance but I'm starting to think I'm going back to basing my choice on the potential  influence followers will have on Canada's leaders.  Any party/country that includes as many people with the same insanely warped perspective as your's is unhealthy to say the least.  

If you’re not voting for Poilievre then he must be really good.  Thanks.  

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

If you’re not voting for Poilievre then he must be really good.  Thanks.  

He'll be worse than useless if he has to appeal to folks like you to win.

In the meantime I'd love hear what sort of measures and mandates he'd need to order into place to control and dial back the edifice of thought and institutions that comprise socialism in Canada.  Surely this is close to if not at the top of his agenda right?

Is it safe to say protesting will be a lot safer and a more attractive option/course of action in the future?

Edited October 21, 2022 by eyeball

[herbie]

If you want to have a leader who kisses the ass of anti-vaxxers, you only need to move to Alberta. Won't need to worry about your freedumbs ever again

[Nefarious Banana]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

I was actually going to give Poilievre a chance but I'm starting to think I'm going back to basing my choice on the potential  influence followers will have on Canada's leaders.  Any party/country that includes as many people with the same insanely warped perspective as yours is unhealthy to say the least.  

"insanely warped perspective" . . . . that's why you and your ilk have given Canada the fungus it has now.  Betting you're originally from GTA  . . . 

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Betting you're originally from GTA  . . . 

I fled TO when I was 15, came out west and started logging and fishing.

They sent me to free school when I was a kid...I had a lot to overcome so give me break okay?  

[Army Guy]

On 10/20/2022 at 5:09 PM, ExFlyer said:

I tend to agree with you except, most of those providing testimony so far have come with transcripts, emails, recordings and other evidence.

The nazi flags were there, seen by even proponents of the protest. Apartment fire was debunked within 24 hours. Desecration of the unknown soldier tomb was videoed.

Gun control and SNC etc etcis not part of this commissions mandate. We need to remember those and WE and many others when it is time to vote again.

Yup, a lot of evidence has been submitted, most of it was to point the finger at someone or some other department, over the last couple of days it is the Ottawa police department. 

Yes, Nazi flags where there, the question was who owned it? it has been said it was a local person.

A women stood on the tomb for a few seconds, and then got down, seems like it is only a problem when they ( the government) want to make it one, that same tomb has been urinated on dozens of times, including someone taking a shit on it. But here is the rub, it did not make a big media hit like the women did. And really do you really think the majority of Canadians give a fiddlers f*** about the unknown soldier's tomb, no they don't, except when it can be used in their narrative.   

I know what the commission mandate is, but those references were put in there to prove that the liberal government has lied and has been deceitful before so what is different with this commission. Nothing really. It is nothing more than a media trap, to hold our attention for a couple of months, then we will be on to the next liberal screw up. And it does not make any difference to liberal voters, what he or the liberal government does they will always vote liberal...becasue we Canadians don't give a rat's ass about what these political parties do to Canada as long as they get their free stuff. 

 

 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

.And really do you really think the majority of Canadians give a fiddlers f*** about the unknown soldier's tomb, no they don't, except when it can be used in their narrative.  

if I was the unknown soldier

and some young Canadian girl stood upon my grave & shouted "freedom !"

I would salute them, from the next world to come

and be waiting for them there, to greet them warmly, when they crossed over

 

[Army Guy]

On 10/20/2022 at 6:21 PM, herbie said:

No, lying and pretending the extremists weren't even part of it is pathetic. Nearly as pathetic as claiming a PM with a minority is a dictator.

So they are extremists now, like the Taliban or ISIS or other terrorists' groups. Or have we redefined that word as well. Maybe you could come up with a far more descriptive word to describe these people...

I was going to describe you as a liberal, but it lacked the dramatic flair you seem to have. maybe someone else can give it a go.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

If you want to have a leader who kisses the ass of anti-vaxxers, you only need to move to Alberta. Won't need to worry about your freedumbs ever again

Then who is going to support you and all your social programs. Quebec, Ontario... 

[Dougie93]

19 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And really do you really think the majority of Canadians give a fiddlers f*** about the unknown soldier's tomb,

just to know who he is

he was Plot 8, Row E, Grave 7

at Caberet-Rouge in Souchez

which means he was Canadian Corps

killed upon Vimy Ridge

 

[myata]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

come up with a far more descriptive word to describe these people...

Meaning is not the point here (any meaning). Stamping the predetermined by the Supreme Wisdom conclusion in the mind and forcing it on everybody around is. The great Left ideal, "for your own good we know best (and better than you)".

[myata]

11 hours ago, ironstone said:

This is another great video

What could be a better description? What purpose does it serve and what real, meaningful change will result from it? Zero / zero, useless puppet show not even funny.

And make no mistakes, the essence and true nature of politics here. Reality does not exist, why?

Edited October 22, 2022 by myata

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yup, a lot of evidence has been submitted, most of it was to point the finger at someone or some other department, over the last couple of days it is the Ottawa police department. 

Yes, Nazi flags where there, the question was who owned it? it has been said it was a local person.

A women stood on the tomb for a few seconds, and then got down, seems like it is only a problem when they ( the government) want to make it one, that same tomb has been urinated on dozens of times, including someone taking a shit on it. But here is the rub, it did not make a big media hit like the women did. And really do you really think the majority of Canadians give a fiddlers f*** about the unknown soldier's tomb, no they don't, except when it can be used in their narrative.   

I know what the commission mandate is, but those references were put in there to prove that the liberal government has lied and has been deceitful before so what is different with this commission. Nothing really. It is nothing more than a media trap, to hold our attention for a couple of months, then we will be on to the next liberal screw up. And it does not make any difference to liberal voters, what he or the liberal government does they will always vote liberal...becasue

 

 

 

I agree with you.

As for liberal government tying to us about the EMA, that will come yet.  the inquiry is still solidly in the local screw up territory. When it shifts to the actual invocation of EMA, there will be tons of crap come down on Justin and his minions.

As for when the next liberal screw up? Could be any minute now

And yup, we Canadians will keep voting liberals in because they promise the most free stuff.