Are Alberta Separatists Committing Treason?

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

not having their voice heard in Ottawa

the complaint made when the PM was an Albertan and when they were over represented in Cabinet. B*tch, whine, we want wolrd prices, we want to make you build pipes where we want not where you will, we won't pay to compensate risk, shouldn't have to pay taxes same as everyone else, wahhh we're wealthier so here's a chart showing our per capita cpntributions to X or Y are higher than others, bawww... here's a whole Reform party that steals everyone's alternative choice and instantly drops all reform other than concentrate on gut issues and social reversal.

Canada is no good for you? Hoof it south and spare the rest of us your treasonous belly aching!

[paxamericana]

24 minutes ago, herbie said:

Canada is no good for you? Hoof it south and spare the rest of us your treasonous belly aching!

Gladly. America accepts your terms. Alberta to 51st.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

BC has been working actively against Alberta for decades.

 

This guy, featured on MSM, ......:

.... receives money from the Tides Foundation.

To oppose Tar Sands development not Alberta. 

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

And guess who funds Tides?  The BC taxpayer, courtesy of the BC government.  From 2015-2020, the BC government gave Tides $800,000.

Good.

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

And then Tides/MakeWay gives it to First Nations and activist NGOs to oppose Canada's resource development.

So when you see this:

It's the Liberal government misappropriating your own tax dollars to utilize useful id10ts, in order to keep themselves in power.

Nothing else.

No, it's to protect our shores, you can see that clearly in the picture.

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

but do you really think they have not thought that through...

Have you seen the clowns running the separatist movement?  They are not economists. 

[Goddess]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

Good.

So is there any kind of major industry or manufacturing that you climate alarmists would allow in Canada?  Or we're just gonna keep going broke?

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

climate alarmists

You don’t believe climate change is happening?

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You don’t believe climate change is happening?

Of course the climate changes.  Duh.

[Goddess]

The dominant composition of the Canadian federal system of government at a glance.

Canada now has 40 million people, over 60% of which live in Ontario and Quebec.

As to the Federal legislative branch, Ontario and Quebec hold 200 of the 343 seats available in the House of Commons, or 58% of seats, and 48 seats of the 105 seat Senate, being 46%.

Regarding the executive branch currently, Federal Cabinet is comprised of 28 full Ministers, 17 of which are Members of Parliment from Ontario and Quebec, being 60% of Cabinet. The Federal Civil Service has 43% of the entire Federal Civil Service working in the National Capital Region (“NCR”) on either side of the Ontario and Quebec border. Then another 24% of the Federal Civil Service work in Ontario or Quebec outside the NCR, for a total of 67% of the Federal Civil Service being in Ontario and Quebec, inclusive of the NCR.

The many administrative decisions made by the Government of Canada and it’s Civil Servants are only challengable in a court by way of judicial review to the the Federal Court and Federal Court of Appeal. This is so, as the Federal Court Act at s.18 makes it so, and prohibits Superior Courts in each Province consisting of judges from those Provinces, from questioning decisions of the Government of Canada by way of Judicial Review. These decisions are ones effecting Canadians not just in the NCR, Ontario or Quebec. Yet, both the Federal Court and Federal Court of Appeal have little representation from the other 8 provinces. The Federal Court Act mandates that its justices reside within 50 miles of the NCR, meaning they have to physically reside in Ontario or Quebec.

There is no statutory or constitutional requirement that the Federal Court or Federal Court of Appeal have proportional or fair representation from each of the provinces either. Of the 37 Justice on the Federal Court of Canada, 25 of them or 67.5%, were appointed from the Ontario or Quebec Bar. As for the other 12 appointments, 3 are from the B.C. bar, 2 are from the Newfoundland bar, 2 are from the New Brunswick bar, 2 are from the Saskatchewan bar, 1 from the Nova Scotia bar, 1 from the Manitoba Bar, and 1 from the Alberta Bar.

There are currently 17 justices of the Federal Court of Appeal. Of the 17 justices, 16 or 94% were from either the Quebec or Ontario Bar, and one is from Nova Scotia Bar.

Any appeal from the Federal Court of Appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada requires leave. Generally, leave applications are denied, with only 6.8% being granted in 2025. At the Supreme Court of Canada, 6 of the 9 justices on the Supreme Court of Canada are from Ontario and Quebec, or 66.66%.

[ironstone]

On 1/29/2026 at 4:19 PM, herbie said:

Quebecers have actual grounds. They existed as a separate jurisdiction before, have both a distinct language and cultural identity, plus were predominantly Catholic.
Alberta has none of those nor a distinct geographical justification, it was solely a creation of Ottawa out of a territory.

So in the eyes of a post confederation Canada, separatists in both provinces are by dictionary definition traitors to Canada. And with the raison d'etre a misconception they can and should separate for an imaginary extra dollar in their pocket that makes Alberta separatists even more traitorous. Not even mentioning covert US support...

 

Alberta's beef is about continually having to shoulder the load of equalization payments, most of which end up in Quebec's coffers.

I don't blame Quebec for wanting to protect their language and culture. It does rather fly in the face of Canada's official policy of multiculturalism does it not?

You mention 'covert US support' but forget that during election time, many Liberals go down to the US to help the Democrats win.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

So is there any kind of major industry or manufacturing that you climate alarmists would allow in Canada?  Or we're just gonna keep going broke?

I'd allow all sorts. Don't forget I burn as much as 300 - 400 litres of fuel a day at work myself. We've constantly upgraded to more efficient engines with fewer emissions over the years and I won't be surprised to see a switch to electric boats in my lifetime if not before I fully retire.

The only thing I'm alarmed at is the amount of utter indifference and denial there is around climate change - that's the crisis.  That's what's going to result in everyone going broke. Even people who do take it seriously.

Edited February 1 by eyeball

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Of course the climate changes.  Duh.

I’ll be more specific then.  Do you believe the current change in climate is caused by man-made increase in CO2 in the atmosphere?

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

The only thing I'm alarmed at is the amount of utter indifference and denial there is around climate change - that's the crisis.

There is no denial about climate change.  Everyone knows the climate changes.  We all see it every day.

There is no utter indifference, either.  The majority of people (in the West, at least) are perfectly happy to do what we can to reduce, reuse, recycle, etc.  Almost everyone agrees that we should continually make efforts to do things in ways that impact the planet less.

The questions are:

• How much is man responsible for?
• How much of a crisis is it?

[Goddess]

9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I’ll be more specific then.  Do you believe the current change in climate is caused by man-made increase in CO2 in the atmosphere?

This isn't the thread for this topic, and I've stated my case in many of the topics that are dedicated to this.  

But briefly, my thoughts are this:

There are too many people like yourself, who adamantly refuse to take in any information that doesn't say "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!  THE ONLY THING THAT AFFECTS THE WEATHER ON EARTH IS HUMANS!!!!!!  GIVING ALL OUR MONEY TO BILLIONAIRES IS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE US!!!!!    ARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!   EEEEEEKKKKKK!!!!  WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!"

There's not much point in discussing the topic with you.  

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

There is no denial about climate change.  Everyone knows the climate changes.  We all see it every day.

I'm sorry, I meant AGW. Of course the climate changes every day.

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The questions are:

• How much is man responsible for?
• How much of a crisis is it?

You can find answers to these at the IPCC.

[Goddess]

50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You can find answers to these at the IPCC.

Like RCP8.5?  The "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" model?

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Like RCP8.5?  The "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" model?

No, the IPCC has ruled out the likelihood of RCP8.5 panning out.

 

[Army Guy]

22 hours ago, herbie said:

the complaint made when the PM was an Albertan and when they were over represented in Cabinet. B*tch, whine, we want wolrd prices, we want to make you build pipes where we want not where you will, we won't pay to compensate risk, shouldn't have to pay taxes same as everyone else, wahhh we're wealthier so here's a chart showing our per capita cpntributions to X or Y are higher than others, bawww... here's a whole Reform party that steals everyone's alternative choice and instantly drops all reform other than concentrate on gut issues and social reversal.

Canada is no good for you? Hoof it south and spare the rest of us your treasonous belly aching!

This is why Canada is doomed to failure.....you head is so far up your A$$ you can't see the problem...Canada is a house of cards and remove one and the whole nation will collapse...As long as you are getting yours you don't care....

I sacrificed a lot of this country, it has given me everything i have right now....and i would hate top have all of that thrown away because yours and many people in BC that seem to hate Alberta, Those uppity bunch of rich losers...who some how out produce BC, not hard to do, since the people of BC have allowed it's own people to sabotage almost every industry you have... except protesting here is where BC thrives... 

My point here is this, guys like you are what is sucking the life blood out of Canada, and maybe it is time for you to hoof it and move to the EU they love the left over there...Let those that actually love this country try and save it from "YOU people"

[Army Guy]

20 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Have you seen the clowns running the separatist movement?  They are not economists. 

Like we haven't done that before....We elected a drama teacher, who said the books will balance themselves 3 times.......his father was a law professor, in fact lots of lawyers have become PM.....not many economists though....with exception of Harper/ Carney i think the others just made it up on the fly....

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

...not many economists though....with exception of Harper/ Carney i think the others just made it up on the fly....

Don't forget economics is just another liberal art...a social science...

I mean it's not SCIENCE science, it's like calling a chiropractor a doctor.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I sacrificed a lot of this country,

many people in BC that seem to hate Alberta

Yet you seem to have so little respect for it. House of cards my ass.
And fall into the usual trap that anyone with a differing opinion must hate those being discussed.

Yes I loathe separatists, I do not hate Albertans. My mother's family is  from there, 3 of my Granpas brothers remanned there. Several of my friends and my grandson moved there and I visit there often. If I had to move, I'd pick there.

I wouldn't give a shit I had to pay the same taxes as everyone else (Less in fact with no sales tax) or who I imagined benefited more than me. Or have the notion you could pull the stats of one provinces,, city or other group and use it to thy to convince others they're being ripped off. They aren't.

I'm not the one being selfish, the separatists are. Grubby little beancounting money grubbing miscreants. 

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Like we haven't done that before....We elected a drama teacher, who said the books will balance themselves 3 times.......his father was a law professor, in fact lots of lawyers have become PM.....not many economists though....with exception of Harper/ Carney i think the others just made it up on the fly....

The question wasn’t whether Trudeau knew economics.  The question was whether the separatist clowns were realistic, or even know how to assess, the economic consequences of an independent Alberta.  
 

They say they could cut taxes 20% on day #1.  They don’t think there will be problems with currency, trade, or territory.   They’re going to Washington to get foreign funding to break up the country and lying about who went and why.  These people are grifters, or fools. 
 

They’re also traitors, by the dictionary definition, not the legal one.  

[Legato]

On 1/30/2026 at 10:21 PM, eyeball said:

If you only had a brain.

So your eyes and ears are missing the organ the interprets the incoming signals sorry about that.

A little fodder for those under used body parts.

 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget economics is just another liberal art...a social science...

I mean it's not SCIENCE science, it's like calling a chiropractor a doctor.

It must have i mean liberal voters did elect a drama teacher 3 times, and seemed to swallow the budget will balance itself...So ya not much of a leap to believe its a social science...

[TreeBeard]

7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

It must have i mean liberal voters did elect a drama teacher 3 times, and seemed to swallow the budget will balance itself...So ya not much of a leap to believe its a social science...

What job has Poilievre held in the private sector?

[Army Guy]

49 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

The question wasn’t whether Trudeau knew economics.  The question was whether the separatist clowns were realistic, or even know how to assess, the economic consequences of an independent Alberta.  
 

They say they could cut taxes 20% on day #1.  They don’t think there will be problems with currency, trade, or territory.   They’re going to Washington to get foreign funding to break up the country and lying about who went and why.  These people are grifters, or fools. 
 

They’re also traitors, by the dictionary definition, not the legal one.  

My example was that liberal voters excepted Justin as their leader, and like the separatist he knew nothing of economics and he was elected 3 times....I don't really think none of the separatist movements have look at what it would cost to leave or they would not be leaving the current marriage....which seems to be one of convivence instead of love of country...

Look at what Quebec demanded on their last attempt... i mean it is spelled out in the feds policies, what has to be discussed  and what is their right to have... like borders , currency, portion of debt, military equipment, federal infrastructure, Etc Etc...nothing is a given....

I think the US will make them a very attractive offer, and sweeten it until they can't say no or in their attempt to be their own nation go bankrupt...

Lots of those in Canada , almost every province has a separation movement of some sort...grass is always greener on the other side.

2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

What job has Poilievre held in the private sector?

None, he is a professional politician...he has held many different MP positions Can't tell me he has not learned a thing or two...