Are Alberta Separatists Committing Treason?

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

That was the implicaiton.  We want them to be shut down and crippled as much as possible as long as we can still squeeze the cash we need out of them. So we'll pass laws to make sure most of the oil stays in the ground and tax the rest so that there's nohting left

I guess the problem for Canada isn't just either Alberta or Quebec leaves, it's: "If Alberta leaves, then the money for Quebec dries up, and Quebec is GUARANTEED to leave as well.

Who stays with Ontario? Manitoba, maybe? And maybe the territories?

What would happen to the maritimes without AB money?

[John Stone]

 

If Quebec separated, would the Canadiens logo/name  endure? 

A friend wants to know.  

 

[Goddess]

On 4/9/2026 at 7:25 PM, CdnFox said:

Honestly if sask knew alberta was leaving and alberta knew sask was leaving i think both would vote strongly for it.

It's not talked about on CBC, but there is a SK separation movement that is growing.  They're watching Alberta closely.

I just read an essay by one of the SK separatism leaders in which he lays out the idea that if Ottawa loses its' Alberta piggy bank, then SK would become the new piggy bank and they DO NOT want that.

I think they're starting to realize that it would be better for SK to leave when Alberta leaves.

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, John Stone said:

 

If Quebec separated, would the Canadiens logo/name  endure? 

A friend wants to know.  

 

1. They could keep the CH, for Club de Habitants if they wanted. (CH is for "Canadiens Hockey" right now)
2. I don't really care.

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 if Ottawa loses its' Alberta piggy bank, then SK would become the new piggy bank and they DO NOT want that.

Makes sense.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I guess the problem for Canada isn't just either Alberta or Quebec leaves, it's: "If Alberta leaves, then the money for Quebec dries up, and Quebec is GUARANTEED to leave as well.

Who stays with Ontario? Manitoba, maybe? And maybe the territories?

What would happen to the maritimes without AB money?

Well,  truth be told alberta isn't as much of the national revenue as it thinks    But there's no doubt that the feds would feel it, they are a strong net producer.  But while there would be adjustments if ONLY alberta left  quebec and the maritimes would still be fine more or less. 

But. I don't believe for a moment that if alberta did go they'd be the only ones. 

Sask would follow shortly.  And honestly i don't think bc would want to be out there with two provinces between them and the east, and with less voting power now that the other western provinces were gone.  So i think bc would quite likely look at it as well. There have been a few times when bc actuallly polled higher for separation than alberta has, a fact often forgotten.  BC wont' go on it's own, but if canada is broken up already why not stick with the west?

I'm not sure about the territories, they may wait and see for a bit and then go with whomever looks more financially solid when the dust settles. 

And manitoba is a little hard to be sure about but i've spent a lot of time there, and in the end i think they'd rather be part of a western canada than an eastern, and have more of a say in the gov't. In the east they'd have no voice. 

So i think if alberta left what we'd see is they would shortly teach Carney a whole new version of 'floor crossing', eventually picking up all the western provinces and probably the yukon over a period of a few years. 

And it would honestly take that much to create a stable, solid country with long term viability. Oil won't be king forever, but when you look at all the resources and food production and water and minerals etc etc as well as the tech and movie and other fields if you had a united western country of some sort you'd be able to make a pretty good go of it. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well,  truth be told alberta isn't as much of the national revenue as it thinks    But there's no doubt that the feds would feel it, they are a strong net producer.  But while there would be adjustments if ONLY alberta left  quebec and the maritimes would still be fine more or less. 

The value of Canada's exports matters a lot.

We couldn't really import anything if we had nothing of value to export, and petroleum products $140B were almost 3x as much as our 2nd highest exports (cars and part combined = $55B). 

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But. I don't believe for a moment that if alberta did go they'd be the only ones. Sask would follow shortly. 

Yeah, it would be weird for Sask not to go with Alberta.

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And honestly i don't think bc would want to be out there with two provinces between them and the east, and with less voting power now that the other western provinces were gone.  So i think bc would quite likely look at it as well. There have been a few times when bc actuallly polled higher for separation than alberta has, a fact often forgotten.  BC wont' go on it's own, but if canada is broken up already why not stick with the west?

Especially if Alberta is joining the US.

I think that BC would be in a weird spot if the USA extended all the way up to the territories.

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I'm not sure about the territories, they may wait and see for a bit and then go with whomever looks more financially solid when the dust settles. 

And manitoba is a little hard to be sure about but i've spent a lot of time there, and in the end i think they'd rather be part of a western canada than an eastern, and have more of a say in the gov't. In the east they'd have no voice. 

So i think if alberta left what we'd see is they would shortly teach Carney a whole new version of 'floor crossing', eventually picking up all the western provinces and probably the yukon over a period of a few years. 

And it would honestly take that much to create a stable, solid country with long term viability. Oil won't be king forever, but when you look at all the resources and food production and water and minerals etc etc as well as the tech and movie and other fields if you had a united western country of some sort you'd be able to make a pretty good go of it. 

A nostalgic part of me would no doubt still be sad to see Canada break apart, but this version of Canada is not worth saving, and I can honestly say that I feel no kinship at all with Canadians in general anymore. 

The sheer depravity of the CBC is probably my biggest beef with Canada, they share 50% of the blame for the whole sad covid saga imo, and the Carney shitshow is just the icing on the cake. I think our gov't is equal parts vile and pathetic.

[West]

The floor crossers are frauds. Take campaign donations as conservatives then switch. Sick stuff

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The value of Canada's exports matters a lot.

less than albertans think.  

Remember the feds don't get any money from that oil.  The only money they get is from the income tax of the employees and the corporate tax. Alberta gets the royalties.   Because of oil the average income is considerably higher in alberta so per capita they're valuable but they're a drop in the bucket compared to ontario for example. Most of the time bc still manages to send more actual dollars to ottawa than alberta did, tho that may have changed in the last few years. 

Here's 2023

Table 3: Net Federal Tax by Province or Territory and Tax Bracket (2023 tax year) - Canada.ca  (remember to select "all" tax brackets)

So Alberta is important, being the 4th largest money maker in net taxes for the feds, but it's not like confederation would collapse without it. 

It would sting tho.  

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

We couldn't really import anything if we had nothing of value to export, and petroleum products $140B were almost 3x as much as our 2nd highest exports (cars and part combined = $55B). 

Well sure we could. And in fact that's what trade deficits are all about, or a country sometimes imports more than it exports.

Our oil reserves have the benefit of stabilizing our dollar because we sell our oil and Canadian dollars. It has some other advantages as well, but not as much as you might think

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

A nostalgic part of me would no doubt still be sad to see Canada break apart, but this version of Canada is not worth saving, and I can honestly say that I feel no kinship at all with Canadians in general anymore. 

The sheer depravity of the CBC is probably my biggest beef with Canada, they share 50% of the blame for the whole sad covid saga imo, and the Carney shitshow is just the icing on the cake. I think our gov't is equal parts vile and pathetic.

Sure. I think we all will look at that map and be sad about the fact that it didn't work out, but I agree with you that it's not working and if we're being honest it never has. It is always been for the benefit of Ontario and for Quebec and has done little if anything for the western provinces.

There is no chance of Alberta joining America by the way 😁 Even an Alberta that is truly separate from Canada is really unlikely. It would probably have to be something along the lines of Quebec's vision of sovereignty association. Shy of an armed rebellion I just don't see ottawa giving up that land entirely

But as the other provinces saw that happening and would want to move towards it I think you would get something you can to a western version of Canada