Are Alberta Separatists Committing Treason?

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

I strongly agree with your two first points.

Your third point raises a complicated question.

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We Canadians have benefited from free trade with America - and the rest of the world.

 

Who's "we"?

The IT business has been destroyed for Canadians by cheap Indian techs.

[Legato]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

The concept of right-wing groupthink and hooey around the MSM and it's apparent bias.

Well Mr. Shut eye there apparently is a strong left bias, welcomed by the left wing group think and it's well known.

Just because you are so far left everything right of Cassiopeia is far right.

 

[Goddess]

19 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The percent of Albertains who support leaving confederation grows consistently.

MSM did a piece on the Calgary rally but they've mostly ignored what's happening everywhere else.  I have a friend who has spoken about Alberta separation for years, when it was a topic that nobody paid attention to, and now she travels around to smaller communities now for the petition signings.  Her videos of the lineups are eye-popping.  Even small communities have lineups going for blocks and blocks.

I know Fort Saskatchewan just had their signing and they've added regular times to continue because they couldn't get everybody in one night.  For the next several weeks, they are open for signing 2 more nights a week.  

Another friend in a smaller town (pop. approx 15,000) went through the training and got certified, he signs up people in his garage whenever he can and says he gets about 15-30 people every time.  He says about 120 people just on Mon, Tues & Wed this past week.

My small town (pop. approx 4,000) just had our signing mid-week.  It was packed.  Live band, people coming and going all night.

I follow a guy on X who also got certified to take signatures and he travels around to the very small communities to sign people up.  He reported a couple days ago that he has put over 2000kms on his vehicle and that 80% of the people who have signed are Indigenous and Metis.

There's more support than MSM is telling you.

Important to note that this is just a petition to have a vote on separation, not the vote to separate.

[Goddess]

18 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I’m wondering about the legal definition of treason or sedition.  Do the Albertans meet that by getting a foreign power involved?

I've wondered that with regard to the CCP working to get the Liberals elected and the number of Liberals that "knowingly" cooperated.  CSIS says it's more than 50 members of parliament.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

MSM did a piece on the Calgary rally but they've mostly ignored what's happening everywhere else.  I have a friend who has spoken about Alberta separation for years, when it was a topic that nobody paid attention to, and now she travels around to smaller communities now for the petition signings.  Her videos of the lineups are eye-popping.  Even small communities have lineups going for blocks and blocks.

I know Fort Saskatchewan just had their signing and they've added regular times to continue because they couldn't get everybody in one night.  For the next several weeks, they are open for signing 2 more nights a week.  

Another friend in a smaller town (pop. approx 15,000) went through the training and got certified, he signs up people in his garage whenever he can and says he gets about 15-30 people every time.  He says about 120 people just on Mon, Tues & Wed this past week.

My small town (pop. approx 4,000) just had our signing mid-week.  It was packed.  Live band, people coming and going all night.

I follow a guy on X who also got certified to take signatures and he travels around to the very small communities to sign people up.  He reported a couple days ago that he has put over 2000kms on his vehicle and that 80% of the people who have signed are Indigenous and Metis.

There's more support than MSM is telling you.

Important to note that this is just a petition to have a vote on separation, not the vote to separate.

I really doubt any separation vote in Alberta will pass. And unfortunately...anything short of that will just put Alberta right back where is was.

Getting mugged.

[TreeBeard]

19 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I've wondered that with regard to the CCP working to get the Liberals elected and the number of Liberals that "knowingly" cooperated.  CSIS says it's more than 50 members of parliament.

I’m talking about something that actually happened and you’re talking about a conspiracy theory.  Loosen the tinfoil hat a little; it’s on too tight. 

[Goddess]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I really doubt any separation vote in Alberta will pass. And unfortunately...anything short of that will just put Alberta right back where is was.

Getting mugged.

We know what we're up against.

[Goddess]

8 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I’m talking about something that actually happened and you’re talking about a conspiracy theory.  Loosen the tinfoil hat a little; it’s on too tight. 

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Not a conspiracy.  It was in Canadian Intelligence reports, discussed in committee meetings, reported on (briefly) in the MSM.  You can read the reports, you know?

You believe CSIS and NSICOP and all our Canadian Intelligence Authorities are conspiracy theorists?  Really??

Wow.

That's quite a conspiracy theory you got going on there, yourself.

 

Edited January 30 by Goddess

[Goddess]

15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I’m talking about something that actually happened and you’re talking about a conspiracy theory.  Loosen the tinfoil hat a little; it’s on too tight. 

This is a summary of what the NSCOP report said.  Amazing that you are perfectly fine with all of this and don't view any of it as "treason".

 

What NSICOP Alleged Some MPs Did

NSICOP reviewed classified CSIS intelligence and concluded that a small number of federal politicians engaged in activities that advanced the interests of foreign states, including China. The report did not name the MPs, but it described the types of behaviour involved.

1. “Wittingly” assisting foreign states

NSICOP said some MPs knowingly:

• Maintained relationships with foreign intelligence officers or proxies

• Provided political information or influence in ways that benefited foreign governments

• Accepted support or assistance that they understood came with expectations

This is the most serious allegation — it implies intent.

2. “Unwittingly” assisting foreign states

Others were described as unaware that they were being used by foreign actors. This included:

• Being targeted through community groups or intermediaries

• Being influenced through flattery, donations, or coordinated diaspora pressure

3. Accepting help in nomination contests

The report said some MPs:

• Received organized support from foreign-linked networks during party nominations

• Benefited from mobilized voting blocs directed by foreign actors

4. Sharing privileged information

Some MPs allegedly:

• Passed along non-public political information

• Provided insights into party dynamics or government positions

• Helped foreign actors understand how to influence Canadian politics

5. Supporting foreign policy positions

NSICOP said a few MPs:

• Advocated positions in Parliament or caucus that aligned with foreign-state interests

• Did so in ways that intelligence agencies assessed as influenced by foreign actors

6. Interacting with foreign officials inappropriately

Examples included:

• Meeting foreign officials without notifying Canadian authorities

• Coordinating political activities with foreign diplomats or proxies

[Nationalist]

22 minutes ago, Goddess said:

We know what we're up against.

As a native Albertan, I wish you luck. I know how long this...lop-sided relation with Ottawa has been. I also do believe Alberta would be fine financially, should they leave.

And all the subsequent belly-aching by Ottawa and Toronto and Montreal...

Would be comical.

[TreeBeard]

Just now, Nationalist said:

And all the subsequent belly-aching by Ottawa and Toronto and Montreal...

And Calgary and Edmonton.  They would vote to remain part of Canada.  

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

And Calgary and Edmonton.  They would vote to remain part of Canada.  

Probably.

I wonder how Lethbridge would do?

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And all the subsequent belly-aching by Ottawa and Toronto and Montreal...

Would be comical.

And Quebec.  They rely the most on money from Alberta.

[Nationalist]

Just now, Goddess said:

And Quebec.  They rely the most on money from Alberta.

Indeed.

[TreeBeard]

20 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Probably.

I wonder how Lethbridge would do?

It will certainly be the most populace city in “New Alberta”.  Is that your pick for the capital?

[Legato]

20 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

It will certainly be the most populace city in “New Alberta”.  Is that your pick for the capital?

A good name would be "Notoronto".

[Nationalist]

26 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

It will certainly be the most populace city in “New Alberta”.  Is that your pick for the capital?

No but it would be better than Edmonchuck. Much better climate.

Be that as it may...I was born in Lethbridge. 

[Goddess]

If you think Albertans are shocked or hurt that the Liberal government calls us names, rather than doing a better job of representing ALL citizens.......we're neither.  We expected it.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

Well Mr. Shut eye there apparently is a strong left bias,

Just apparently or actual, is it just a few pundits rolling their eyes at something from time to time or is it more deliberate and direct?  Are the PMO/CTV editorial room one and the same thing/place like the PMO/CBC?

Maybe it's all just in your head.

 

 

[Goddess]

In 1995, Quebec appealed to France during its' separation bid, with Parizeau making a 4 day trip to Paris to seek their support.

The rest of Canada did not call Quebecers "traitors".

[Legato]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Just apparently or actual, is it just a few pundits rolling their eyes at something from time to time or is it more deliberate and direct?  Are the PMO/CTV editorial room one and the same thing/place like the PMO/CBC?

Maybe it's all just in your head.

 

 

Yes it entered my head through daily observations.

What's your inexcusable excuse.

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, Legato said:

Yes it entered my head through daily observations.

What's your inexcusable excuse.

What observations? CTV and CBC archive their broadcasts so you shouldn't have any excuses for not being able to find all sorts of examples.

There should be no shortage of video recordings of Todd van der Heyden and Rosemary Barton reading from the same script like Greg Bovino and Kristi Noem.

Remember, daily observations you said.

Edited January 30 by eyeball

[Legato]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What observations? CTV and CBC archive their broadcasts so you shouldn't have any excuses for not being able to find all sorts of examples.

There should be no shortage of video recordings of Todd van der Heyden and Rosemary Barton reading from the same script like Greg Bovino and Kristi Noem.

Remember, daily observations you said.

If you cant see the obviosity of the Liberal bias then no amount of archived footage would ever be enough.

I watch a little of all the "news" channels, CBC, CTV, Global, all show a Liberal bias.

Given your extreme left slant you see CBC CTV etc as far right.

Anything controlled By Bell Media favours the Liberals. Who wouldn't if your prize is $40 million.

 

[herbie]

23 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I’m wondering about the legal definition of treason or sedition.  Do the Albertans meet that by getting a foreign power involved?

I think legally they'd have to prove some plan. conspiracy or exchange was involved.
Like actually hunt down to prove the donation from Joe Guy was actually from some obscure shell company that was a MAGA run one. Which is exactly hoe they'd sneak it in,

[herbie]

23 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

As long as there has been Canada and even before that, the french, as opposed to quebecers, they have never been a "separate jurisdiction".

Of course not, but prior to that they were a recognized colony of France. Distinct from the other founding provinces being colonies of the UK, and historically different from the prairie provinces with no self or identifying government to base a historical claim to independence.
There have been few separations done sheerly by mutual agreement. Sweden & Norway, which had different languafes and history at least. Singapore and Malaysia where Singapore had a distinct ethnic mis from the rest. India & Pakistan, forced separation  and divided by religions.

As I said, no moral ground. No historical, geographic, cultural, linguistic grounds for independence, just a common whine of why should we have to pay (like every other Cdn) to help Nfld and Que.