Army Guy Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 15 hours ago, TreeBeard said: That’s why Canada would keep that territory. Keep it how... though the use of force....you got to be kidding me....do you honestly think all the non native Albertans are going to squeeze themselves into that small portion of Alberta that is left, and be happy with that......or are they going to sit done with the feds and talk about new borders....and how much input are indigenous people going to have ? ....And what role does the US play in all of this.... And do you really think Quebec is going to sit around and watch, or are they going to leave as well....and once that is done How much influence is Ottawa going to have....do you think the US is going to sit and watch or start making offers to make provinces new states...Once the crack appears it will not take much for the dam to break... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
paxamericana Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: crack appears I don’t know why Canadians even bother. Literally their money would be worth more, pay less taxes and be a part of the greatest empire since Rome. All the benefits without ANY downsides. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 37 minutes ago, paxamericana said: I don’t know why Canadians even bother. Literally their money would be worth more, pay less taxes and be a part of the greatest empire since Rome. All the benefits without ANY downsides. Don't get me wrong joining the US does have lots of benefits, but it also as some draw backs, Mass shootings, crime, immigration, the left are extreme...and the far right is worse....and as with both nations have issues with health care, massive drug use, housing costs, major social issues....i have family that live in the US, who are American citizens... I would much rather see things stabilize and go back to where they once where, in many issues....others I'm glad trump kicked our asses on and we started to take our responsibilities seriously....not sure on how this joining would work out, i have a good military pension, our Old age pension, and CPP is another factor, who takes over on all that.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
paxamericana Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 19 minutes ago, Army Guy said: not sure on how this joining would work out, i have a good military pension, our Old age pension, and CPP is another factor, who takes over on all that.... If the US feels the need to incorporate Canada into its own system then yes, That would be the minimum asking price. Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 17 hours ago, TreeBeard said: That’s why Canada would keep that territory. "Canada" is keeping nothing. It was already determined that Quebec had the right to separate, so Alberta can too. And just like Alberta joined Canada in 1905, Alberta can also leave in 2026. Canada sucks, TreeBeard. Trudeau was a scammer and a sellout, Carney is a huge liar and sellout. Both of them made the country in every meaningful way. You guys got to wave the pom-poms as the destructive, divisive libs won election after election, you got to cheer as young people were forced to take the jabs, or when they had their bank accounts frozen, or when Trudeau called the unvaxed "racists and misogynists", now you get to wait and see if all of your BS was too much. Hopefully this country splits up, and that will be final. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
eyeball Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 4 hours ago, paxamericana said: I don’t know why Canadians even bother. Literally their money would be worth more, pay less taxes and be a part of the greatest empire since Rome. All the benefits without ANY downsides. Taxes? Without representation? How does that work again exactly? The Romans used swords I believe. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: It was already determined that Quebec had the right to separate Not by Quebec's First Nations. During the last sovereignty referendum 96% voted against separation. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
TreeBeard Posted February 7 Author Report Posted February 7 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: Keep it how.. Separate it how? Through use of force? Quote
paxamericana Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 28 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Separate it how? Through use of force? Kind of, if Alberta secedes and chooses to be part of the US there’s not much the rest of Canada can do about it is there? Quote
CdnFox Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 6 hours ago, eyeball said: Not by Quebec's First Nations. During the last sovereignty referendum 96% voted against separation. That won't help them either way. If Quebec chooses some sort of sovereignty association the first nations will get dragged along with it without having much of a say. If Quebec cruises to actually separate and become a brand new country then it will be based on the majority of the people and again the first nations won't have much of a say other than the same say every other citizen has Now the argument can be made that various first nations groups could choose to separate from the new country. I mean if Quebec can separate from Canada then a geographical region within Quebec can separate from Quebec But for the most part they'd be landlocked and they would have no resources and no access. And they wouldn't be able to leave with any more than they could get a vote on so the size of the land that they could leave with is probably fairly limited which makes it unsustainable Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
paxamericana Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: That won't help them either way. If Quebec chooses some sort of sovereignty association the first nations will get dragged along with it without having much of a say. If Quebec cruises to actually separate and become a brand new country then it will be based on the majority of the people and again the first nations won't have much of a say other than the same say every other citizen has Now the argument can be made that various first nations groups could choose to separate from the new country. I mean if Quebec can separate from Canada then a geographical region within Quebec can separate from Quebec But for the most part they'd be landlocked and they would have no resources and no access. And they wouldn't be able to leave with any more than they could get a vote on so the size of the land that they could leave with is probably fairly limited which makes it unsustainable You people could use more freedom. Quote
John Stone Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 .........................the real fun will begin after Alberta conducts their referendum............. regardless of outcome. Very fertile ground to promote division ..........domestically and internationally. Let's call it Trump shenanigans. Alberta could become an unincorporated territory - 1 Quote
paxamericana Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 (edited) 10 minutes ago, John Stone said: Trump shenanigans. Alberta could become an unincorporated territory - It’s medicine .So they can stop pretending they’re not Americans. @CdnFox Edited February 7 by paxamericana Quote
Legato Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 14 hours ago, eyeball said: Not by Quebec's First Nations. During the last sovereignty referendum 96% voted against separation. FN's don't want the tap turned off. 1 Quote
John Stone Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 4 minutes ago, Legato said: FN's don't want the tap turned off. I don't think Quebec pays too much attention to FN. haha Quebec is seen by greater North America as fascist. Quote
Legato Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, John Stone said: I don't think Quebec pays too much attention to FN. haha Quebec is seen by greater North America as fascist. Quebec no but eyball seems to think they're important. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 3 hours ago, paxamericana said: It’s medicine .So they can stop pretending they’re not Americans. @CdnFox Given the story state of your medical system I can see why trump's beginning to fail already BTW, is he ok? He looks exhausted! 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 20 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Separate it how? Through use of force? It does not need force to separate....just a majority mandate from the people....My question was if Alberta does go, so will Quebec, and many others will follow....SO how does Ottawa enforce those treaty rights if it has nothing but a few provinces left in the union...The west have already table toped all of this , they talk to sask, Man, even BC and if the west separates they have agreed to go with them...why would they not....Quebec goes and that leaves the Maritimes cut off....last time Quebec held their vote Maritimes had already agreed to talk to Uncle Sam...I don't see that changing that leaves Ontario....maybe the Maritimes to upheld these treaties...which mean squat to anyone other than Ottawa.....So indigenous people are really stuck out in the cold....and will have to deal with either the provinces or the US and new agreements signed to or risk having it all taken away.....They are not in the driver seat....like they think they are... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 8 hours ago, paxamericana said: You people could use more freedom. Probably, but seeing as it would come out the expense of having to deal with no decent education, no healthcare, no common sense,no taste, poorvworld reputation, crime, stunningly stupid voting laws, racial tension, People who thought Gavin Newsom was a good idea, oprah,open borders, closed borders, no open no closed move your foot borders, Terrorist attacks, and a complete lack of any moral values or respect for their own word or honor, We're pretty happy with the way things are right now and we will be staying here Also you're from Alberta you twat Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
TreeBeard Posted February 8 Author Report Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: just a majority mandate from the people Then a majority mandate from the treaty areas, or the rest of Canada can keep it from separating. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: SO how does Ottawa enforce those treaty rights if it has nothing but a few provinces left in the union... This is a pipe-dream. I know you hate the country, but it’s not going anywhere. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Then a majority mandate from the treaty areas, or the rest of Canada can keep it from separating. This is a pipe-dream. I know you hate the country, but it’s not going anywhere. That's not how it works...I'm sure indigenous people will have a say in the vote, but they do not have a veto...Like i said if Albertas separation causes it to snowball, which i think it will....then the ROC will be what is left of the country unable to do much of anything... Perhaps it is, but this country is never been closer to self destructing as it is right now, that's not just my opinion but others as well. Canada is not United, but split into many different groups...As for my hating Canada , that's not true...i served this country for the better part of my life, i have sacrificed sweat, blood and tears for our nation....And I've upset over how other forces have been tearing it apart...if anything i have lost confidence in it's people to do the right thing for the nation, ....i've watched them turn their backs on the same people who serve this nation, be it the military, or other security forces, police, fire, Amb , EMS....to many times I've watched Canadians put themselves first in front of the nation...So no i do not hate Canada, or i would have left long ago...but i do have a problem with those Canadians that have put themselves first.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TreeBeard Posted February 8 Author Report Posted February 8 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Army Guy said: That's not how it works.. Tell me the legal basis for a province to separate from Canada. Hint: there isn’t one. 18 minutes ago, Army Guy said: i served this country for the better part of my life, I doubt this. I suspect a “stolen valour” situation. No one who loved their country acts like this. Edited February 8 by TreeBeard 1 Quote
eyeball Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: That's not how it works... How it works is that all a referendum does is trigger constitutional negotiations. I bet three quarters of us in this forum will be long since dead of old age before they ever get close to concluding those. Then it'll all have to go back to court. Edited February 8 by eyeball 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: Tell me the legal basis for a province to separate from Canada. Hint: there isn’t one. Doesn't need to be. The united nations recornizes that a territory or region may leave a parent country and tradition supports that. Basically if they declare themselves a new nation then Canada can claim it's a rebellion and can choose to go to war over it if they want but i don't think they would want to do that, 1 hour ago, eyeball said: How it works is that all a referendum does is trigger constitutional negotiations. I bet three quarters of us in this forum will be long since dead of old age before they ever get close to concluding those. Then it'll all have to go back to court. Not true actually While there is a law that says if such a random takes place Canada's government must enter into negotiations in good faith to address the constitutional crisis, they're actually isn't anything that prevents alberta from rebelling and leaving Canada. Aside from going to war of course and I don't think they'd be interested Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 14 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Tell me the legal basis for a province to separate from Canada. Hint: there isn’t one. I doubt this. I suspect a “stolen valour” situation. No one who loved their country acts like this. How does this relate to this conversation, there is a clear path to separation laid out by the courts of Canada....it lays out the process to start and finish negotiations to separate.... You must have read it in order to find that tidbit of info... I personally don't give a rats a$$ what you think about me or my service...You think I'm the only vet that feels this way, your crazy....Vets did everything ever asked of us and much much more, we sacrificed everything for this nation ...Our nation, and the average Canadian can not say that...instead we get platitudes about we are asking for more than our government can give at the time....or guys like you questioning our very service....and then wonder why there is such resentment.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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