ExFlyer Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, herbie said: Of course not, but prior to that they were a recognized colony of France. Distinct from the other founding provinces being colonies of the UK, and historically different from the prairie provinces with no self or identifying government to base a historical claim to independence. There have been few separations done sheerly by mutual agreement. Sweden & Norway, which had different languafes and history at least. Singapore and Malaysia where Singapore had a distinct ethnic mis from the rest. India & Pakistan, forced separation and divided by religions. As I said, no moral ground. No historical, geographic, cultural, linguistic grounds for independence, just a common whine of why should we have to pay (like every other Cdn) to help Nfld and Que. Not quite correct. They were a colony of France and lost the battles and rights to any claims to the British. Quebec only became a "formally recognized by the Canadian House of Commons as a "distinct society" in November 1995, following the narrow 1995 referendum result. While rooted in earlier constitutional debates like the 1987 Meech Lake Accord, this parliamentary recognition formally acknowledged Quebec's French-speaking majority, unique culture, and civil law tradition. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
herbie Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: They were a colony of France and lost the battles and rights to any claims to the British. Got what I'm saying? They were, regardless of winning or losing that does not negate history. Modern history says an Independent Quebec is a foolish pursuit as they'd give up their disproportionate inflience in a big country in exchange for control of a small one surrounded by hostile ones. Just as some Albertans don't understand exporting their oil won't be negotiating with Ottawa and the Provinces, it will be a flat F*CK OFF from BC and they'll have to totally suck up to Trump or else. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, Legato said: I watch a little of all the "news" channels, CBC, CTV, Global, all show a Liberal bias. So do I, and a fair number of others as well, including Fox. There's bias in every single one as evidenced by the body language, facial expressions, mannerisms and such of the journalists, reporters news hosts, pundits, guests...being biased is the most human thing there is to be. So...bring a little salt... along with your BS filter. How hard can it be? But no, instead of that you people imagine it's all orchestrated and the above are all actors following a script written for them by... Stalinists or something. 32 minutes ago, Legato said: Given your extreme left slant you see CBC CTV etc as far right. LMAO! 2 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ExFlyer Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 11 minutes ago, herbie said: Got what I'm saying? They were, regardless of winning or losing that does not negate history. Modern history says an Independent Quebec is a foolish pursuit as they'd give up their disproportionate inflience in a big country in exchange for control of a small one surrounded by hostile ones. Just as some Albertans don't understand exporting their oil won't be negotiating with Ottawa and the Provinces, it will be a flat F*CK OFF from BC and they'll have to totally suck up to Trump or else. I agree. Both Alberta and Quebec are not thinking the whole thing through. We, conservative and liberals governments alike, gave Quebec disproportionate influence and neither party benefits from it LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 31 minutes ago, eyeball said: So do I, and a fair number of others as well, including Fox. There's bias in every single one as evidenced by the body language, facial expressions, mannerisms and such of the journalists, reporters news hosts, pundits, guests...being biased is the most human thing there is to be. So...bring a little salt... along with your BS filter. How hard can it be? But no, instead of that you people imagine it's all orchestrated and the above are all actors following a script written for them by... Stalinists or something. LMAO! The editorial staff are conditioned to favour the owners wishes. The all put their mouths where the money wants them to be. Tell Bell media to give the 40 million back. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 16 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Do you think they meet the layperson’s dictionary definition of treasonous, rather than a legal one? He wasn’t convicted , but I don’t really care what US courts think. It’s Canadian law that I am concerned with. Canada gave the guy $10 million for violating his rights. Child soldiers are not supposed to be treated like adults, but you’d probably be happy if he had been executed. No any other definition is just opinion....The only one that counts is the one based on Canadian law....which according to the experts is to vague to get a conviction in todays courts.. Your right he was not convicted he confessed , and was sentenced , can't really sentence someone if they are not guilty....but sure...If his sentence was not upheld by Canada why would he have to serve his remaining of his sentence in Canada....Once again why would he have to spend one extra day in prison if he was innocent, or not guilty.... The only thing that saved Omar that day was he spoke English, other than that US service pers would have let him bleed out on site....or just eliminate him before moving on...sometimes it is not always possible to render aid or take prisoners... CSIS violated his rights, by not providing him with council and not forcing the US to release him to Canadian authorities....Had nothing to do with him pleading guilty to murder charges and a few others...those charges were upheld by the Canadian government.... In Afghanistan every boy of 12 is consider an adult, he can marry, fight for his country, provide for his family...lots of kids fought for the Taliban....and other terrorist groups...if they were armed then they were targets period, ....they would kill you without even thinking about it....they were hard killers....Would i be happy if he was executed....not really, that being said i would not be shedding any tears for him, more like indifferent...could not care what happened to him, he was just another bad guy......Canadian troops were sent over there to kill bad guys, that's what we all did...Not sure what your fishing for here....But lets be clear....he was a terrorist, he planted mines that had killed US service persons, plus pleaded guilty to murdering a US medic....A person protected under the Geneva convention...Had the Liberals just left it alone, and told that judge to take a long walk in the woods, Omar and his family would not be enriched by their treason... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Legato said: The editorial staff are conditioned to favour the owners wishes. The all put their mouths where the money wants them to be. Tell Bell media to give the 40 million back. Well, there must have been all sorts of pro Conservative bias coming from the CTV because they put the motion forward in Parliament to give Bell Media the $40 million. Liberals voted against it and you figure Bell Media conditioned their staff to say nice things about them instead. What's wrong with this picture? Edited January 30 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Legato Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) 13 minutes ago, eyeball said: Well, there must have been all sorts of pro Conservative bias coming from the CTV because they put the motion forward in Parliament to give Bell Media the $40 million. Liberals voted against it and you figure Bell Media conditioned their staff to say nice things about them instead. What's wrong with this picture? No, federal Conservatives did not vote to give Bell Media $40$ -million. In February 2024, Heritage Minister Pascale St-Onge stated that the independent regulatory body, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), decided to provide roughly $40$-million in annual "regulatory relief" to Bell. This was not a legislative vote by political parties. Context: The CRTC, not parliament, made this decision, according to the Globe and Mail article. The Issue: The relief was meant to support local news, which Bell failed to maintain, leading to criticism from the government. CRTC Role: The CRTC regulates broadcasting and, as described by Wikipedia, sets conditions for funding, Wikipedia mentions. You are correct about the motion which became moot. Edited January 30 by Legato Quote
eyeball Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 20 minutes ago, Legato said: No, federal Conservatives did not vote to give Bell Media $40$ -million. You're quite certain of that are you? I mean sure PP denys it too but...he probably saw an assault rifle in Pretti's hands so go figure. Conservative motion, backed by NDP, produced $40M in regulatory relief for Bell The June 2022 motion, introduced by Conservative MP John Nater, passed with the support of New Democrats and Bloc Québécois MPs on the House of Commons Heritage committee. Bell’s share of those savings was $40 million — the precise total of annual operating losses the broadcaster’s parent, BCE Inc., cited when it slashed 4,800 jobs last week. But Poilievre is now blaming Justin Trudeau for those cuts, calling on the prime minister to claw back some of his government’s federal grants to media companies. When asked about the disconnect, the Conservative leader would only say that providing tax dollars to media outlets fuels biased, Liberal-friendly coverage. Sure convinced you didn't he? LMAO! 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
QuebecOverCanada Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 21 hours ago, Nationalist said: You mean it would look like Quebec? Hardly... No I'm sure Alberta would overnight turn to socialism and be very ineffective all of a sudden without an ordered Canadian governement known for its efficiency and its results. 😅 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Eby is a bit of an odd bird, not fully at ease as a politician and obviously still steaming about the pipeline proposal. I don’t think it was wise to call these misguided people ‘traitors’. It’s a bit melodramatic. However, I’ve no doubt Trump and Bessent would go completely ballistic if we were talking to separatists in any state down there. 1 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
TreeBeard Posted January 31 Author Report Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: I don’t think it was wise to call these misguided people ‘traitors’. It’s a bit melodramatic Calling on a foreign power to assist in breaking up a country is pretty serious stuff, no? 1 Quote
Legato Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 2 hours ago, eyeball said: You're quite certain of that are you? I mean sure PP denys it too but...he probably saw an assault rifle in Pretti's hands so go figure. Conservative motion, backed by NDP, produced $40M in regulatory relief for Bell The June 2022 motion, introduced by Conservative MP John Nater, passed with the support of New Democrats and Bloc Québécois MPs on the House of Commons Heritage committee. Bell’s share of those savings was $40 million — the precise total of annual operating losses the broadcaster’s parent, BCE Inc., cited when it slashed 4,800 jobs last week. But Poilievre is now blaming Justin Trudeau for those cuts, calling on the prime minister to claw back some of his government’s federal grants to media companies. When asked about the disconnect, the Conservative leader would only say that providing tax dollars to media outlets fuels biased, Liberal-friendly coverage. Sure convinced you didn't he? LMAO! Try reading, it does help.... "You are correct about the motion which became moot" . Quote
eyeball Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 52 minutes ago, Legato said: Hmmm there's that Theremin again. Right on cue. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Legato Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 46 minutes ago, eyeball said: Hmmm there's that Theremin again. Right on cue. Eyes and ears, one would presume you have them and have an inkling of knowledge in their use. Quote
eyeball Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Legato said: Eyes and ears, one would presume you have them and have an inkling of knowledge in their use. If you only had a brain. 1 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Barquentine Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 14 hours ago, Army Guy said: can't really sentence someone if they are not guilty Oh, yeah? Glen Assoun Donald Marshall Jr.: Spent 11 years in prison for a 1971 murder in Nova Scotia before being exonerated. Guy Paul Morin: Wrongfully convicted of the 1984 murder of9-year-old Christine Jessop; exonerated by DNA evidence in 1995. David Milgaard: Served 23 years for the 1969 murder of Gail Miller before DNA evidence proved his innocence. Steven Truscott: Sentenced to death at age 14 in 1959 for murder; acquitted in 2007. Thomas Sophonow: Wrongfully convicted three times for a 1981 murder and spent nearly four years in prison. Romeo Phillion: And others. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 6 hours ago, Barquentine said: Oh, yeah? Glen Assoun Donald Marshall Jr.: Spent 11 years in prison for a 1971 murder in Nova Scotia before being exonerated. Guy Paul Morin: Wrongfully convicted of the 1984 murder of9-year-old Christine Jessop; exonerated by DNA evidence in 1995. David Milgaard: Served 23 years for the 1969 murder of Gail Miller before DNA evidence proved his innocence. Steven Truscott: Sentenced to death at age 14 in 1959 for murder; acquitted in 2007. Thomas Sophonow: Wrongfully convicted three times for a 1981 murder and spent nearly four years in prison. Romeo Phillion: And others. That's not what i meant, all of your examples were found guilty in a court of law.....then sentenced....Omar is no different he pleaded guilty and then was sentenced, the Canadian courts upheld that sentence after he was transferred... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) 22 hours ago, herbie said: Got what I'm saying? They were, regardless of winning or losing that does not negate history. Modern history says an Independent Quebec is a foolish pursuit as they'd give up their disproportionate inflience in a big country in exchange for control of a small one surrounded by hostile ones. Just as some Albertans don't understand exporting their oil won't be negotiating with Ottawa and the Provinces, it will be a flat F*CK OFF from BC and they'll have to totally suck up to Trump or else. I guess you don't get it....they would have all the influence over their own country, with no to very little influence from Ottawa... Albertan would be free of sending huge amounts of tax dollars to the rest of Canada, and having their voices heard in Alberta and their new capital....And would be more than happy with sending all their oil to the US via new pipelines ...and if you think it is going to stop at just Alberta your been smoking to much weed...Saskatchewan, Manitoba would from a new alliance , not sure if that involves the US or not... so more than just oil , but also the bread box of Canada...As for BC, well you'll be cut off from the ROC, good luck with that.... The next question you'd have to ask is why the rest of Canada would not follow suit, some time in the near future...Do you really think Quebec won't separate... which will land cut off Ontario...and the Maritimes....the total collapse of Canada... So i guess we will all be sucking up to trump at some point... Edited January 31 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
herbie Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Albertan would be free of sending huge amounts of tax dollars $$$$$$ such an admirable basis to found a nation. Change the name to Ferengiland while you're at it. The wealthiest people in Canada whining about paying too much. Signing the all-American whine Why should "I " have to pay to help others? 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 31 Author Report Posted January 31 (edited) 25 minutes ago, herbie said: $$$$$$ such an admirable basis to found a nation. Change the name to Ferengiland while you're at it. The wealthiest people in Canada whining about paying too much. Signing the all-American whine Why should "I " have to pay to help others? This is a separatist pipe-dream. They will need to fund a military, increased healthcare expenditures, and whatever else the feds currently fund. They will lose key pieces of their territory, namely Edmonton and Calgary, who won’t vote to separate. They will lose significant population of those who want to remain Canadian citizens. An independent Alberta wouldn’t be swimming in money. Edited January 31 by TreeBeard Quote
Army Guy Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 2 hours ago, herbie said: $$$$$$ such an admirable basis to found a nation. Change the name to Ferengiland while you're at it. The wealthiest people in Canada whining about paying too much. Signing the all-American whine Why should "I " have to pay to help others? Yes paying to much and not having their voice heard in Ottawa....Alberta is not the only province with a separatist movement, Sask, Manitoba , Quebec, and yes Sparky....your own province of BC just started another one this week....go figure...You guys should keep Eby on as your mascot...See lots of Canadians tired of what the nation has become... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: This is a separatist pipe-dream. They will need to fund a military, increased healthcare expenditures, and whatever else the feds currently fund. They will lose key pieces of their territory, namely Edmonton and Calgary, who won’t vote to separate. They will lose significant population of those who want to remain Canadian citizens. An independent Alberta wouldn’t be swimming in money. They'll need to fund everything, and more....but do you really think they have not thought that through...It also makes joining the us that much more attractive.... WTF, are you thinking....yes they will allow 2 small pockets of hold outs in the provinces "not"...i think it will be more like your free to leave don't let the door hit your ass on the way out...And if they join the US what happens to Indigenous lands and treaties....that would be the bigger question.... Yup, there are going to be people that will leave....and there will be people that will move into Alberta.....the next big question will be will Alberta leaving make any of the other western provinces to leave as well, Sask, Manitoba, and BC has talked about forming their own nation....although not sure if Alberta will take in BC, way to left and then there is EBY... And then what happens to the rest of Canada....lets not forget about Quebec , why would they stay in a failed union ....and it snowballs from here ....until there is nothing left....and trump gets his new map with the stars and strips all over north america "No one" will be swimming in money, if one province leaves the union it will be the end of Canada...and what is left of Canada will become a third world nation or part of the states....millions of questions after all of that, like what happens to all those CPP and OAS checks....Federal pensions......Unemployment checks ( because the provinces will be broke at least in the Maritimes) health care , education, will be smashed ...The only hope is for us to remain united....because the other option looks bleak...the only ones that will make out is the rich.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 16 minutes ago, Army Guy said: See lots of Canadians tired of what the nation has become. Which mirrors the sense most humans everywhere seem to have. 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: and BC has talked about forming their own nation....although not sure if Alberta will take in BC, way to left and then there is EBY... I'm pretty sure the feeling in BC is quite mutual, Alberta is way to right and then there's Smith. 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: The only hope is for us to remain united....because the other option looks bleak...the only ones that will make out is the rich.... Now you're talking... But I'd also be open to a couple Blue States joining. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Goddess Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 51 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm pretty sure the feeling in BC is quite mutual, BC has been working actively against Alberta for decades. This guy, featured on MSM, ......: ....... receives money from the Tides Foundation. He takes money from Tides, a US-based NGO that funds activists to oppose Canada's oil & gas industry. And guess who funds Tides? The BC taxpayer, courtesy of the BC government. From 2015-2020, the BC government gave Tides $800,000. In 2020, Tides changed their name to MakeWay and the BC NDP gave them another $15.6 million to oppose Canadian resource development. The Liberals also gave them $2.5 million tax dollars. In 2020, when it looked like Alberta was getting angry about the Liberals' blocking their resources, the Liberals gave them another $12 million tax dollars. And then Tides/MakeWay gives it to First Nations and activist NGOs to oppose Canada's resource development. So when you see this: It's the Liberal government misappropriating your own tax dollars to utilize useful id10ts, in order to keep themselves in power. Nothing else. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
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