Zeitgeist Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Consistent at what??? What has PP done? Besides complain? What can PP do? He cannot even leave the country to find out what is actually happening in the world. There is no world leader wanting to speak with him. Face it, PP is a zero, a nobody on the world stage. I like the fact that PP doesn’t have international and business interests. I also assume he won’t get elected because every Conservative leader in Canada is portrayed as scary by our ideologically captured media and education systems. I’m not sure the Conservatives can win again in Canada. 1 Quote
Legato Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Consistent at what??? What has PP done? Besides complain? What can PP do? He cannot even leave the country to find out what is actually happening in the world. There is no world leader wanting to speak with him. Face it, PP is a zero, a nobody on the world stage. Why are you frightened of Poilievre? 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I like the fact that PP doesn’t have international and business interests. I also assume he won’t get elected because every Conservative leader in Canada is portrayed as scary by our ideologically captured media and education systems. I’m not sure the Conservatives can win again in Canada. Geez, a wannabe Prime Minister of a country and you like the fact he is not internationally aware??? The conservatives themselves have portrayed themselves as scary ....they have nothing to offer...4 elections lost and 3 leaders defeated and the conservatives will most likely keep the leader that has lost twice and even lost his own seat. How could Canadians look at the conservatives as leading the country??? The injury to the conservatives are self inflicted wounds. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Legato said: Why are you frightened of Poilievre? Of what?? A little man that lost 2 elections and the seat he held for 20 years and has done nothing but complain??? That cannot leave the country to meet with world leaders because he has no security clearance? What is there to be frightened of??? LOL The conservatives will keep him as leader and that will only guarantee the Liberals remain in power...now that scare me Edited January 17 by ExFlyer 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: Of what?? A little man that lost 2 elections and the seat he held for 20 years and has done nothing but complain??? That cannot leave the country to meet with world leaders because he has no security clearance? What is there to be frightened of??? LOL The conservatives will keep him as leader and that will only guarantee the Liberals remain in power...now that scare me Still frightened I see. 1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 18 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Geez, a wannabe Prime Minister of a country and you like the fact he is not internationally aware??? The conservatives themselves have portrayed themselves as scary ....they have nothing to offer...4 elections lost and 3 leaders defeated and the conservatives will most likely keep the leader that has lost twice and even lost his own seat. How could Canadians look at the conservatives as leading the country??? The injury to the conservatives are self inflicted wounds. You just follow what the popular media says about Poilievre. As I said, Canada is stuck with the Liberals because they’re scared of leaving their CBC mommy. 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 (edited) A quote attributed to Keynes: “When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?” ― John Maynard Keynes The facts in Canada have most certainly changed over the last year. Edited January 17 by SpankyMcFarland 2 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
Goddess Posted January 17 Author Report Posted January 17 (edited) 7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Don't listen to people who overstate where we are right now, who try to say that we are in unprecedented times etc. Of course, every time is unprecedented, however, we have only had free markets, free elections and so on at this level for a century or two. So losing these things would not be unprecedented. And yet... We still DO have elections, we still have an economy, we still have courts, we still have free expression. Any of these things failing significantly would trigger mitigations and strong reactions in the media and with the public. People who say that this is not the case, who say we are already lost... are playing into the extremist views themselves. I take your points, MH. However, there is always a progression to losing any of those things. It happens incrementally. The Nazis could not have just immediately rounded up the Jews into cattle cars and hauled them off to concentration camps. People would not have stood for that immediately. It started with gov't narrative, backed by statements from "experts" - doctors who told the public the Jews were rats, typhus carriers, etc. Economists who told the public that the economic problems were caused by the Jews. First they made them publicly identify as Jews - armbands with the Star of David. And the government would have told the people why this was necessary. And people would have said, "Well, I don't like this, but it seems necessary and it's just armbands." At some point, Jews were banned from certain social/community events. And people would have said, "Well, I don't agree with this, but the government says it's necessary and it's just restaurants and community houses." Jews were then prevented from working and it was accepted because they already had framed it as "Jews are destroying our economy." By the time Jews were rounded up into cattle cars, there had already been a progression of events that inured the public to the point of accepting atrocities. You are right, in Canada we have not experienced a complete totalitarian regime, where the media is a propaganda arm of the government, were the gov't controls food supply and movement and the economy and jobs and every aspect of people's lives. We did experience that during covid, though. Unvaccinated people were progressively villainized to the point that in a CTV poll, a large majority of Canadians said they believed unvaxxed people should be imprisoned and have their children taken away. A lot of people cheered when unvaxxed people were banned from social life. Most said nothing when their fellow citizens were fired from jobs and careers, sometimes decades long careers. And surely you can admit that a lot of this did not make sense, even in hindsight. Some of us saw it AT THE TIME. Because we haven't really experienced that type of thing, we tend to be blind to the progression of events that lead up to that. And when some DO recognize the steps in that progression and point it out, most people believe "It could never happen here." I don't believe in just sitting back and waiting til things get really bad. There have always been people warning from the wilderness, when they see the progression. You're clearly not one of those people. And that's ok. If we learned anything from the Ashe & Milgram experiments, the majority of people are YOU. It's only about 20% of people who have the inner fortitude to stand against the mob and say, "This is wrong. This is leading to bad places." Edited January 17 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
ExFlyer Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 28 minutes ago, Legato said: Still frightened I see. Again I ask...of what??? Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: Again I ask...of what??? You tell me, your rhetoric show a distinct fear. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: You just follow what the popular media says about Poilievre. As I said, Canada is stuck with the Liberals because they’re scared of leaving their CBC mommy. I observe. At whatever media presents. What else is there to read, watch, see other than media? Facebook? TikToK? Do you have a suggestion as to where it get information? Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Legato said: You tell me, your rhetoric show a distinct fear. What rhetoric (do you even know what that word means? LOL). I guess I should take that as a compliment rhetoric the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques. No, you made the accusation 3 times that I was frightened and I ask you of what.... You seem to be able to throw out accusations yet you cannot answer the question... Are you frightened of what answer you may provide? LOL Edited January 17 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Goddess Posted January 17 Author Report Posted January 17 (edited) 40 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I observe. At whatever media presents. What else is there to read, watch, see other than media? Facebook? TikToK? It's pretty obvious from your comments and ideas that you do not read or watch anything other than MSM. You parrot whatever they say and whatever their narrative is. You don't dig any deeper. You are incapable of thinking on your own or understanding how some concepts come together to reach a fuller understanding of a situation. 40 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Do you have a suggestion as to where it get information? No. You should just stick to the MSM. I think anything deeper than that is over your head. Edited January 17 by Goddess 2 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 3 hours ago, John Stone said: An autocratic abyss would have been in Mao's era. It's pretty much underway again by the sounds of it. 3 hours ago, John Stone said: China today is an international player - their economic strategy in the form of 'silk roads' extends decades into the future. Other empires have overextended themselves before, especially when trying to distract their citizens from their repression. 3 hours ago, John Stone said: Doubtful any Western Nation with a population (and history) akin to China could have done so much and gone so far in the tenure that they have been a country and not a conglomeration of district warlords, invaders and imperialism. Fk'n miracle. That's it's lasted this long perhaps. Inspite of the rhetoric of Empire and expansion that's apparently in vogue nowadays there is still a global civilization trying to rise to the challenge. The real miracle will be if it survives this first maiden flight. I'd say it's struggling at the moment. The implosion of super powers and rogues unable or unwilling to let go of their nationalist urges seems like a necessary albeit dangerous part of the process. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ironstone Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I asked you to prove your statement. You have only said they are in a search somewhere...you did not provide anything except say "Search Assist". It is your statement to defend, not mine to research. In his 2021 book, Values, for instance, he made the rather blunt case that 80 percent of current fossil fuel reserves—including half of gas and one third of oil—must go undeveloped. https://thehub.ca/2025/04/16/sean-speer-will-mark-carney-champion-canadas-oil-and-gas-sector-or-continue-his-anti-development-ways-he-owes-voters-a-clear-answer/ The practical effect was to encourage a shift away from fossil fuels. Carney has continued this approach in recent years as the UN Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance. With the temperature target now tightened to 1.5 degrees C, he endorsed a November 2023 report by the Energy Transitions Committee that concluded that “65% of all oil and gas reserves and 90% of all coal reserves must be left in the ground…. and there is no need for any exploration of new oil and gas fields.” https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/canada-mark-carney-climate/# 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
herbie Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 So the Bloc supporters are more loyal than the Conservatives. That explains PP completely. So when your best friend won't let you ride in his Camaro you shouldn't ride in another guy's Boss 302 because it's a Ford? 1 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 36 minutes ago, Goddess said: It's pretty obvious from your comments and ideas that you do not read or watch anything other than MSM. You parrot whatever they say and whatever their narrative is. You don't dig any deeper. You are incapable of thinking on your own or understanding how some concepts come together to reach a fuller understanding of a situation. No. You should just stick to the MSM. I think anything deeper than that is over your head. What other media should I watch read or listen to....enlighten me LOL I dig deep to get info.... I think anything you have to say is conservative brainwashed blather LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 19 minutes ago, ironstone said: In his 2021 book, Values, for instance, he made the rather blunt case that 80 percent of current fossil fuel reserves—including half of gas and one third of oil—must go undeveloped. https://thehub.ca/2025/04/16/sean-speer-will-mark-carney-champion-canadas-oil-and-gas-sector-or-continue-his-anti-development-ways-he-owes-voters-a-clear-answer/ The practical effect was to encourage a shift away from fossil fuels. Carney has continued this approach in recent years as the UN Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance. With the temperature target now tightened to 1.5 degrees C, he endorsed a November 2023 report by the Energy Transitions Committee that concluded that “65% of all oil and gas reserves and 90% of all coal reserves must be left in the ground…. and there is no need for any exploration of new oil and gas fields.” https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/canada-mark-carney-climate/# Who's book??? LOL You are giving links to personal opinions...well, as they say opinions are like arses...everyone has one LOL Bottom line is we need to sell our oil wherever we can The US has been our only customer and they have become unreliable. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: What rhetoric (do you even know what that word means? LOL). I guess I should take that as a compliment rhetoric the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques. No, you made the accusation 3 times that I was frightened and I ask you of what.... You seem to be able to throw out accusations yet you cannot answer the question... Are you frightened of what answer you may provide? LOL Nice graph what does it prove, other than liberals and NDP are beating their chests and war drums....i find it funny, during my time in the Infantry, MOST of the combat arms trades voted conservative almost well over 95 %....while NDP and liberal did more damage to our military than any other party....those that voted conservative don't party just yet you were only slightly better in your support...And NDP i mean come on, i can't remember any one stating they voted NDP.... You guys should stop beating your chest and war drums, if you think those untrained and unarmed people will make any difference in any conflict....maybe if the LGBTQ community over threw the government maybe...but my money is on the LGBTQ community.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 43 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Who's book??? LOL You are giving links to personal opinions...well, as they say opinions are like arses...everyone has one LOL Bottom line is we need to sell our oil wherever we can The US has been our only customer and they have become unreliable. The problem with your quote is this arse runs the country....Bottom line is the liberals have wrapped that entire industry up in red tape....along with handed Indigenous people a veto to any pipeline...So Carney is quit comfortable with selling all our oil and gas to the US... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 9 hours ago, ExFlyer said: China has been involved in industrial espionage for many decades all over the world... as has the US, Russia and many other countries (probably Canada too). Warnings from security services from all countries are the same... that is what they do. Who said China is our best friend? And where? And when??? Your imagination runs wild again and you continue to make $hit up LOL Canada’s Intelligence Agency Says China Remains One Of The Country’s Most Serious National Security Concerns So every country has the same warning on them as well, the UK France, etc...I think your down playing the CSIS warnings...now had the conservatives down this what would you be screaming then... It was China that held Canadians captive, it was China that has been accused of inter national interference and interference into Canadians elections... It is China that has police stations in Canada to police ex Chinese citizens...SO why China Carney could have gone to any Asian country and got just as much concession as China gave. China is our number two largest trading partner, with 3.9 % of our exports and imports coming from....Thats not very big and to trade away what he did , for maybe more trade...WTF are we thinking... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Nefarious Banana Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 Available 8x10, suitable for framing. 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 25 minutes ago, Army Guy said: China Everyone would love a North American strategy for EVs. Unfortunately, the Orange Menace has made sure we won’t be coming to any agreements anytime soon. So we turn to a different trading partner. Or would you rather Canada just decays economically? 1 Quote
Legato Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: What rhetoric (do you even know what that word means? LOL). I guess I should take that as a compliment rhetoric the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques. No, you made the accusation 3 times that I was frightened and I ask you of what.... You seem to be able to throw out accusations yet you cannot answer the question... Are you frightened of what answer you may provide? LOL More evidence of the fear you exhibit. Attempts at unconvincing defense. 1 Quote
Alvincityfan Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 As a Chinese person, I'm here to see how Canadians are reacting to this (actually, I just randomly searched the political forum tags on Bing). Okay, let me share my thoughts. First question: Is there much room for improvement in diplomatic relations between China and Canada? — No. How should we view the Canadian Prime Minister's visit to China? —An attempt to create leverage for Canada in negotiations with the US. Can the results of this visit to China be sustained in the long term? — No, probably a few months, at most six months. Of course, I could say things like, "China isn't actually that bad; what you see is a distorted, demonized image of China, the reality is far less dire." But that's pointless. I'd immediately be labeled a "CCP bot." That's the problem: a significant number of Canadians have incorrect views of China. And these Canadians have extremely strong psychological defense mechanisms to prevent these misconceptions from being corrected. Any attempt to correct these errors is futile. That's why I don't see any solutions. Therefore, regarding the first question, is there much room for improvement in diplomatic relations between China and Canada? No. Because China can only be Canada's enemy. Quote
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