ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, Goddess said: We had oil & gas, the #1 industry that brings a nation prosperity and then spent the last 10 years strangling it. When Japan, Germany and Korea all came to us and asked for our oil & gas, we told them to go F themselves. Now we're giving it to the Chinese? Maybe this is how a pipeline will get built, but it will be the Chinese controlling it. This is not good. We're aligning ourselves with some New World Order of communist countries while the US is trying to rid the hemisphere of communism. After the left hyperventilating for the last few years about Russia's world domination game, now we're allying with them via China? China supports the Russian war on Ukraine. Our assets will now go to that effort. None of this makes any sense. It won't be Canadians benefiting from any of this. The examples of Brazil, Africa and Italy were warnings. The only one that will benefit from this is Brookfield and Carney. Maybe when Japan, Germany and Korea came begging for our energy, we shouldn't have told them to go F themselves? Oil and gas went to the US.... now the US is screwing us...it is OK to stay with them?? The US is making it a "New World Order" are we going to align with them while they screw us?? What makes sense is Canada making deals with as many countries as we can to encourage trade with what we have to sell. You and other conservatives obsession with Brookfield is not only old, it makes o sense. A world leader in asset management is a successful company and that it is a Canadian company makes your obsession even more foolish. When other countries wanted our oil and gas and we shut them out to please to US and China (as Harper did) left us with insufficient supply to sell others. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 Don't let the left-wing radicals like MH, Pee1990, and the 12 year old make you think it's wrong and conspiracy theory to question Canada's new love of everything China. @Politics1990 How are you coming along disproving all the points I made in the OP about what China has done in Canada? MOUs, Burner Phones, and Blind Faith: Carney’s China Reset Tests Canadian Credulity The relationship has been strained for years by diplomatic crises, retaliatory trade actions, and mounting security warnings, yet Ottawa now insists this reset is simply pragmatic diversification away from the United States. That framing asks the public to forget everything that came before, and to pretend that leverage, intimidation, and economic coercion disappear the moment a new talking point is rolled out. In Beijing, one reporter cut through the choreography and asked whether China is even the right kind of partner for Canadian industry, citing surveillance risks and the need for burner phones. Industry Minister Mélanie Joly replied that Canada is engaging “eyes wide open,” a phrase that has become Ottawa shorthand for acknowledging serious threats while proceeding anyway. Carney, for his part, told Zhao Leji that renewed engagement could serve as an example of cooperation in a divided world, pointing to energy, agriculture, people-to-people ties, and even security discussions as areas of opportunity. Canadians are entitled to notice the disconnect: a government preaching trust and cooperation with a regime linked to intimidation of politicians, illicit policing operations, and the chemical supply chain behind a deadly drug crisis. Public skepticism is not cynicism it is a rational response to a reset that asks too much to be forgotten and too little to be confronted. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, Goddess said: The Chinese already control our banking, government, real estate, use us for international fentanyl. Now we're giving them control of our oil, national security and media. At some point, Canadians will be begging the orange man to save us from our own stupidity. Holy frack!!! Your paranoia cup runneth over LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Oil and gas went to the US.... now the US is screwing us...it is OK to stay with them?? Carney campaigned on dealing with the US. Every other country was able to figure things out with the US. We're the outliers. I suspect we weren't able to work things out with the US because Carney never intended to. His plan was always to sell us off to the Chinese. We went from Elbows Up chicken dance to Who cares? really fast. 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: Holy frack!!! Your paranoia cup runneth over LOL Well, when you believe CSIS is lying about China.....you're the conspiracy theorist. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Goddess said: Carney campaigned on dealing with the US. Every other country was able to figure things out with the US. We're the outliers. I suspect we weren't able to work things out with the US because Carney never intended to. His plan was always to sell us off to the Chinese. We went from Elbows Up chicken dance to Who cares? really fast. Well, when you believe CSIS is lying about China.....you're the conspiracy theorist. He tried, is still trying and getting nowhere really so... time to move on and he is. Are you dreaming?? What other countries figured things out?? They are all still being tariffed. Some countries that never had tariffs before are now being tariffed. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypxnnyg7jo https://www.avalara.com/us/en/learn/guides/us-tariffs-by-country.html Carney has a team trying to work out a deal with the US but and thanks to Ford....everything went for a shite. Trump call off all negotiations and has not recanted yet. Where did I say I believed CSIS is lying??? I said "CSIS is an entity that has far more info than you and it will not share with you so, if you wish to tag on with them...so be it." And yes, by ll of your previous posts on almost everything, I (along with others on this forum) think you are a conspiracy theorist Edited January 16 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
blackbird Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) I think we have to be realistic about the world we live in. We have to deal with countries that could cause us problems if we are not careful. China is a huge market and has been our number two trading partner in terms of volume of goods. So we must trade with them for the simple reason of economics. They provide vast amounts of goods that we use at lower cost. We also sell vast amounts of agricultural products such as canola and natural resources such as oil, coal, and minerals. This improves our cost of living and prosperity in Canada. The condition must be that we do not allow any foreign interference from China and do not allow them to take control of our industries. Canada must remain in control of everything in Canada and all citizens must be shielded from outside influence or manipulation. Edited January 16 by blackbird 1 Quote
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Where did I say I believed CSIS is lying??? I said "CSIS is an entity that has far more info than you and it will not share with you so, if you wish to tag on with them...so be it." I posted their 2023 PUBLIC report that was a warning about China in its entirety. Yes, I'm saying we should take CSIS' warning. You're the one saying ignore and it snuggle up with China because the US is being difficult right now. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 Just now, blackbird said: China is a huge market and has been are number two trading partner in terms of volume of goods. Barely. Our trade with the US is 77%. Trade with China is 3.9%. Trade with the UK is 3.6% Carney is personally 98% in the US. If the US succeeds, he makes a 💩ton of money. If Canada succeeds, he loses money. I don't think it's a coincidence that everywhere he goes, Brookfield is there the week before or the week after. 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: The condition must be that we do not allow any foreign interference from China and do not allow them to take control of our industries. Carney just gave them access to our national security and media. No one is saying "No trading with China." But trading with them comes with dangers, which Liberals and their supporters keep saying are just "conspiracy theories." 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 Everything the left says America is, China actually is. That's a fact. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 23 minutes ago, Goddess said: I posted their 2023 PUBLIC report that was a warning about China in its entirety. Yes, I'm saying we should take CSIS' warning. You're the one saying ignore and it snuggle up with China because the US is being difficult right now. So what??? Geopolitics change regularly. Yesterday we hated Russia. Do you vet your buyers??? Or do you want to sell? Again, you are incorrect in your interpretation. I am say we need customers for our products and resources and if the US, which were and still are our biggest clients, are giving us trouble, we have every right to look for others. Should we discriminate or do what is best for our Canadian producers and exporters? Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 32 minutes ago, blackbird said: I think we have to be realistic about the world we live in. ... So we must trade with them for the simple reason of economics. .... The condition must be that we do not allow any foreign interference from China and do not allow them to take control of our industries. Canada must remain in control of everything in Canada and all citizens must be shielded from outside influence or manipulation. But interference from the US is OK? From Russia it's OK? Shielding from outside...Like the US is trying to do is OK?? We cannot become isolated. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ironstone Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: We did not need Germany and Japan when Trudeau was in power... We had the US that we could depend on for oil and gas sales. But that was yesteryear...we now need countries to sell to. And how would we have gotten it to Germany and Japan??? Even if we wanted to sell to them..we are a decade of pipe building away from that LOL China was the biggest buyer of our agriculture and aquaculture products....our farmers and fisheries relied on them Friendly or not...we sell, they buy.....anyone and everyone buys if they want but.. If you are a seller, would you ban sales to people you do not like? Or would you sell to them because your livelihood depends on sales...no matter who the purchaser is? I think the oil producing provinces would beg to differ on that one. You are right that we are a decade of pipe building away from that and it's due in no small part to the anti-oil stance of the Liberals and all of the obstacles they've put in the way of more pipelines. Even with the MOU, I doubt that any new pipelines will be built although if it was to happen I could give credit for it. We should be more concerned with China because of how they treat us. They interfere in out elections, operate police stations on our soil. They will not hesitate to take Canadians as hostages. It's much easier for them to do business in Canada than it is for Canada to do business in China. Will our government ignore China's poor record on human rights? I would like Carney to elaborate more on his 'new world order' statement. It would be wiser to keep the CCP at arms length instead of cozying up to them. 1 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, ironstone said: I think the oil producing provinces would beg to differ on that one. You are right that we are a decade of pipe building away from that and it's due in no small part to the anti-oil stance of the Liberals and all of the obstacles they've put in the way of more pipelines. Even with the MOU, I doubt that any new pipelines will be built although if it was to happen I could give credit for it. We should be more concerned with China because of how they treat us. They interfere in out elections, operate police stations on our soil. They will not hesitate to take Canadians as hostages. It's much easier for them to do business in Canada than it is for Canada to do business in China. Will our government ignore China's poor record on human rights? I would like Carney to elaborate more on his 'new world order' statement. It would be wiser to keep the CCP at arms length instead of cozying up to them. What would they differ on??? We had no way to get the oil to the ports so, any country that wanted it would not get it What anti oil stance?? We have never shut down any production and all the oil we produced we sold...primarily to the US. Do other countries concern themselves over our poor human rights violations against our indigenous?? (United Nations (UN) human rights bodies and special rapporteurs have frequently stated that Canada has treated its Indigenous peoples poorly and that their human rights situation has reached "crisis proportions) It is Trumps "New World Order", not Carney's. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/08/trump-new-world-order-chaos-falling-ratings Bottom line is we are sellers and we need buyers. As I asked you before, as a seller, would you vet your buyers and not sell to them because pf your philosophical position or do you need the money to keep your people working and sell it to whomever has the money? Edited January 16 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 This visit isn't about trade. According to Tim Hodgson, the #1 goal of this visit to China was collaborating with the Chinese on Net Zero climate stuff. Both China and Brookfield are heavily invested in carbon credits and carbon credit tracking services and credit systems. Carney did say during the election that his goal was to bring a carbon credit system to Canada. Obviously, China loves the idea of controlling their population with carbon and social credit systems, they're already doing it. Carney wants the same for Canada and it will make him billions with Brookfield. This is a collaboration with the Chinese and Brookfield. I'm not sure most Canadians know what a carbon credit monitoring system is all about. It means every time you swipe your card or make a purchase, it not only comes with a price tag, but also a carbon score. Your morning Timmie's? Carbon footprint included. New gaming console? Carbon footprint and credits deducted. Each purchase you make will be tagged with its carbon footprint. Your bank account will not just show how much you spent, but also how much Mother Earth has paid for your shopping spree. You'll get a monthly carbon budget for your environmental sins. Exceed it and your card gets an eco-friendly smackdown. No more spending. The UK has already started labelling food with a carbon score. None of this will affect the lifestyles of the creators of this system. This is not conspiracy theory. It's the end goal of Net Zero. Climate Action Plans & Business Sustainability That company, Carbon Trust, did a trial of this system in the UK and recommends labels like this on all food: Also: ESG & Sustainability Software | Cority Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
paxamericana Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: The US is making it a "New World Order" are we going to align with them while they screw us?? Yes because we told you so. I don't know why you insist on elbow ups approach to US Canada relations. It has NEVER worked out well for Canada. You're America's side kick so just accept it. You're the Greenland to America, eventually the 51st state. 1 Quote
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 23 minutes ago, Goddess said: Obviously, China loves the idea of controlling their population with carbon and social credit systems, they're already doing it. Carney wants the same for Canada and it will make him billions with Brookfield. This is a collaboration with the Chinese and Brookfield. China's rigid control of its citizens is the template for Carney's Net Zero "New World Order" that he talks about. The New World Order that the Americans have openly rejected. That's why we are snuggling up to China and spitting in the USA's face. It was baffling to me that Trump threw all his support behind getting Carney elected. Maybe he knew Carney was gonna cave on everything, weaken Canada's economy even further and then.....we're ripe for the picking. Talking to a neighbour here last night, he said he wonders if it will come down to Canada being the battlefield between China and the US and we all agreed sadly that if it came to that, all the Liberal supporter citizens would be fighting FOR the Chinese. So, civil war, as well. Everyone is trying to figure out where all this going and what to prepare for. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 Carney's plan for dealing with crime and drug cartels is to partner with those that fuel it. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
blackbird Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 3 hours ago, Goddess said: Carney just gave them access to our national security and media. No one is saying "No trading with China." But trading with them comes with dangers, which Liberals and their supporters keep saying are just "conspiracy theories." We have traded with China for years. We sell them a lot of canola. With the Trump tariffs we must have trade agreements with China to increase trade to compensate for what the U.S. is harming. 1 Quote
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 11 minutes ago, blackbird said: We have traded with China for years. We sell them a lot of canola. With the Trump tariffs we must have trade agreements with China to increase trade to compensate for what the U.S. is harming. Sure. Trade with China. But why are we giving them access to our media? Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 Now that lefties think China is great (in spite of the fentanyl crisis, the election interference, the threatening of our Chinese diaspora, the money laundering, the bounties on opposition politicians, etc.), and China will now be given a foothold into our media, it's going to be fascinating to watch how fast Russia, Iran and North Korea become cool to the lefties, too. The media will start touting these Chinese ally countries, as our allies now, too. I'm particularly interested in the mental gymnastics that will take place regarding Russia. The left is so susceptible to indoctrination, I don't think it will take long to turn their mental switches the opposite way. A couple weeks of constant CBC "reporting", tops. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
ironstone Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: What anti oil stance?? Bill C-69 was literally nicknamed the 'no more pipelines Bill'. Carney himself has previously stated that oil 'should stay in the ground'. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 22 minutes ago, ironstone said: Carney himself has previously stated that oil 'should stay in the ground'. But only in Canada. He's invested in pipelines in Brazil and the US. It's not in his financial interests to get a pipeline in Canada. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: So what??? Geopolitics change regularly. Yesterday we hated Russia. Did you know CSIS confirmed that China remains our greatest threat in November of 2025? That's 2 months ago. You still wanna go with "China is our best friend"? Canada’s Intelligence Agency Says China Remains One Of The Country’s Most Serious National Security Concerns In the Canadian Security Intelligence Service Director’s Annual Speech in November, Director Dan Rogers said intelligence linked to the People’s Republic of China continues to target Canada for sensitive government, military, and economic information. He noted that both civilian and military intelligence services have been involved in efforts to identify and recruit Canadians with access to classified or strategically important material. According to CSIS, recruitment attempts have increasingly relied on social media and online job platforms, which are used to make covert approaches appear legitimate. The agency said it has worked over the past year with Canadian and international partners to detect and disrupt these activities. China was also identified as a key source of transnational repression in Canada. CSIS said it has documented cases of surveillance, intimidation, and disinformation campaigns linked to Beijing that have targeted members of Chinese and other diaspora communities, including activists and critics of the Chinese government. Intelligence officials warned that such actions threaten free expression and democratic participation. In the Arctic, CSIS described China as a non-Arctic state seeking to expand its strategic and economic presence in the region. The agency said it has observed intelligence-gathering efforts—both cyber and non-cyber—directed at governments, private companies, and research organizations involved in northern development. CSIS said it is working closely with Indigenous, territorial, and Inuit governments to ensure national security risks are considered when engaging with foreign companies and investors, including those linked to China. CSIS Director Dan Rogers said China’s activities reflect a broader pattern of state competition aimed at Canada, adding that espionage and foreign interference tied to the PRC remain persistent and increasingly sophisticated threats to Canadian sovereignty. RCMP restricts use of Chinese-made drones — the vast majority of its fleet | CBC News Experts said the RCMP needs to be cautious when it comes to Chinese drones, given it cannot vouch for the origin of thousands of parts, software and data-storage systems. "The concern is legitimate and as a precautionary measure, they have to be careful," said Bendavid. Wark said that the RCMP seems to have purchased drones "without much thought to strategic needs or security issues." "In future, all drone purchases by federal agencies for security purposes should be centralized and security vulnerability tests should be performed on them as a matter of course," Wark said. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
August1991 Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 On 1/15/2026 at 5:46 PM, Goddess said: All through the election, Carney described China as not to be trusted and repeatedly said it was our biggest foreign threat. Now, less than a year later, he has done a 180 and without any parliamentary discussion, has put us in bed with the CCP. ... Agree up to the reference to the CCP. Soviets, Communists, Maoists? Leftists on a mission to control/change the world? We defeated these people in 1989. ===== Since 1991 or so, we need a new world order. And guys like Bush and Carney ain't it. Quote
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