cougar Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) 7 hours ago, Goddess said: CSIS isn't a fan of China. Wave your pom-poms for China all you want. Maybe we should learn from other countries who thought they could out-smart China - like Brazil, Itlay and Africa. This is like saying if you are having an argument with your spouse, the best thing to do is get into bed with a disease-riddled prostitute. So what would you have done? Canada lost its independence the moment it stopped manufacturing products and relied on other nations to supply them to us. Wait, did Canada ever manufacture something? I knew of the Ontario automotive industry and now that will be gone too. With this type of long term planing, you can pick which d-k to suck, American , Chinese, Indian....they will all hurt ! Edited January 16 by cougar 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) 11 hours ago, eyeball said: He shouldn't be there because of things like Tiananmen Square and oppression of the Uyghurs. 11 hours ago, eyeball said: He shouldn't be there because of things like Tiananmen Square and oppression of the Uyghurs. I guess we're the left-ards who are concerned about selling out human rights to make Western oil sands people and Scott Moe happy? How about we divide into two groups? Group one always supports one side Group two doesn't. Let's call group two - citizens Edited January 16 by Michael Hardner 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
paxamericana Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 14 hours ago, Goddess said: If Carney thinks the Americans are going to sit back allow China to set up shop in Canada, he is out of his f*&#ng mind. The US is boxing in China with Energy. American warship is now actively targeting the shadow fleet. Meaning China has to buys oil from US approved producers. Russia, Iran Venezuela are all under oil sanctions and cannot produce enough energy and ship it to China without US interdiction. This is even more true for Canada. So unless Carney got permission from the US administration it’s just political theater. Quote
John Stone Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Unless Kanada knows it can bear the unbearable it will continue to run scared. Imagine there will be some blowback to the E.V. tariff settlement from the U.S. Oblique threat to their automotive industry - a direct threat to Canada's. Quote
paxamericana Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 5 hours ago, cougar said: With this type of long term planing, you can pick which d-k to suck, American , Chinese, Indian....they will all hurt ! This is where you’re wrong. If Canada insist on sucking, there’s only one country to suck off. We all know who that would be. Quote
paxamericana Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) 4 minutes ago, John Stone said: Unless Kanada knows it can bear the unbearable it will continue to run scared. Imagine there will be some blowback to the E.V. tariff settlement from the U.S. Oblique threat to their automotive industry - a direct threat to Canada's. Canada could use more freedom. America could roll some tanks into Alberta or blockade BC ports. Interdict Canadian tankers. Many options to choose from for sure. Edited January 16 by paxamericana Quote
John Stone Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 16 minutes ago, paxamericana said: Canada could use more freedom. America could roll some tanks into Alberta or blockade BC ports. Interdict Canadian tankers. Many options to choose from for sure. Blockade the St. Lawrence? Quote
paxamericana Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Just now, John Stone said: Blockade the St. Lawrence? No as long as they sell to who America wants it sold to. Otherwise tanks will roll into Alberta. 1 Quote
John Stone Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 11 minutes ago, paxamericana said: No as long as they sell to who America wants it sold to. Otherwise tanks will roll into Alberta. Isn't Alberta an ally now ....... the entire Western p/o the country? Seal Team six waking up the PM in the dead of night has proven to be successful. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 14 hours ago, Goddess said: CSIS isn't a fan of China. Wave your pom-poms for China all you want. Maybe we should learn from other countries who thought they could out-smart China - like Brazil, Itlay and Africa. This is like saying if you are having an argument with your spouse, the best thing to do is get into bed with a disease-riddled prostitute. CSIS??? I said you are not a fan of China. CSIS is an entity that has far more info than you and it will not share with you so, if you wish to tag on with them...so be it. Your analogy is total nonsense. Your inclusion of CSIS is only reflecting your inability to make your own decisions. For a person that constantly criticizes government...you sure use it if you have no other reasons LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) 14 hours ago, ironstone said: Germany and Japan could have been new markets for oil and gas but Justin Trudeau said no. Both of those nations are friendly to Canada, unlike China. We did not need Germany and Japan when Trudeau was in power... We had the US that we could depend on for oil and gas sales. But that was yesteryear...we now need countries to sell to. And how would we have gotten it to Germany and Japan??? Even if we wanted to sell to them..we are a decade of pipe building away from that LOL China was the biggest buyer of our agriculture and aquaculture products....our farmers and fisheries relied on them Friendly or not...we sell, they buy.....anyone and everyone buys if they want but.. If you are a seller, would you ban sales to people you do not like? Or would you sell to them because your livelihood depends on sales...no matter who the purchaser is? Edited January 16 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Barquentine Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 15 hours ago, Goddess said: If Carney thinks the Americans are going to sit back allow China to set up shop in Canada, he is out of his f*&#ng mind. As Trump rails against 'Jina': China Trade Summary https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/china-mongolia-taiwan/peoples-republic-china#:~:text=U.S. goods and services trade,(%2417 billion) from 2023. "U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $658.9 billion in 2024, up 2.6 percent ($17 billion) from 2023." 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 15 hours ago, Goddess said: Margaret McCuaig-Johnston offers a reality check "(The Chinese) were able to persuade Brazil to have manufacturing there so that they could have a foothold in South America." When other countries set up industrial operations it's foreign investment, but when China does it it's a foothold? Why aren't you complaining about the US trying to destroy our economy? 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 15 hours ago, Goddess said: becoming part of some "New World Order" As Trump tries to destroy NATO and set up his "New World Order". 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 12 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Trudeau: "We're phasing out the oil sands." Carney: "Chinese investment in the oilsands is welcomed"... Is it possible that there will be a leftard on this site who doesn't fully support this sudden new alliance with China? Now does it make sense why Trump said that he wanted our useless f'ing country out of the 5 eyes? I'm only going to drink American alcohol from now on. Honestly, F this shit. I'm cheering for team USA at the Olympics. Let's go Tkachuks!!!! Actually, it was Harper that made a 31 + year deal with Chinese investment. "Stephen Harper's significant China deal was the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA), negotiated for years and ratified by his government in 2014, " "Signed in 2012, it was officially ratified and came into force on October 1, 2014. It is a long-term deal that remains in effect for at least 31 years (until 2045)." "Nexen Takeover (2012): Harper approved the $15.1 billion acquisition of the Canadian oil company Nexen by the Chinese state-owned firm CNOOC, though he later implemented stricter rules for state-owned enterprises (SOEs)." Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Barquentine Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 14 hours ago, Goddess said: the best thing to do is get into bed with a disease-riddled prostitute. Speaking of Trump... 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 15 hours ago, Goddess said: I hope that the MSM in Canada will stop portraying Carney as some kind of demi-god so Liberal supporters will wake the f*&#K up. Remember when Kissinger was regarded as a genius for opening up tthe US to China? And the giant US retailers who for decades have bought as much Chinese goods as they could, to hell with US manufacturing? How many small countries has the US shafted or destroyed? Lord Palmerston (1848): "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow". Henry Kissinger: Famously adapted this idea, stating, "Nations have no permanent friends or enemies, only interests," embodying this pragmatic approach to foreign policy. 1 Quote
Politics1990 Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) woke up to amazing news china ev's tarrifs on canola oil down and crab and lobster deals with china. as someone who works in crab that's amazing news Edited January 16 by Politics1990 2 Quote
Legato Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 China should take over Canada, they couldn't do much worse than the Carney mob. 1 1 Quote
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: I agree with all of your concerns, but Canada is a middle power that needs leverage against US trade aggression and China is potentially a larger market for our exports than the U.S. However, we can’t compromise our democratic values and way of life or adopt their totalitarian surveillance state. Carney is being very concerning in that regard. His announcement today about a new world order was very loudly, clearly, and slowly stated, so that it would be noticed. That he said this beside China’s executive was a signal. The Japan Times had this article and it confirms basically everything you said. Canada undermines its own China engagement - The Japan Times Carney’s decision reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of how middle powers must engage with Beijing in an era of intensifying great power competition. When a middle power leader arrives in Beijing seeking rapprochement, this lens positions the visit as validation of China’s strength and vindication of its resistance to Western influence. Canada’s policy community has struggled to internalize these realities. The assumption persists that patient dialogue will moderate Chinese behavior, that economic interdependence naturally produces convergence and that Beijing’s challenges — demographic decline, real estate troubles and sluggish consumption — will force accommodation with Western preferences. 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Michael Hardner Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Politics1990 said: ...as someone who works in crab that's amazing news @eyeball ^ crab guy ^ 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 8 hours ago, cougar said: Wait, did Canada ever manufacture something? I knew of the Ontario automotive industry and now that will be gone too. We had oil & gas, the #1 industry that brings a nation prosperity and then spent the last 10 years strangling it. When Japan, Germany and Korea all came to us and asked for our oil & gas, we told them to go F themselves. Now we're giving it to the Chinese? Maybe this is how a pipeline will get built, but it will be the Chinese controlling it. This is not good. We're aligning ourselves with some New World Order of communist countries while the US is trying to rid the hemisphere of communism. After the left hyperventilating for the last few years about Russia's world domination game, now we're allying with them via China? China supports the Russian war on Ukraine. Our assets will now go to that effort. None of this makes any sense. It won't be Canadians benefiting from any of this. The examples of Brazil, Africa and Italy were warnings. The only one that will benefit from this is Brookfield and Carney. 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I guess we're the left-ards who are concerned about selling out human rights to make Western oil sands people and Scott Moe happy? Maybe when Japan, Germany and Korea came begging for our energy, we shouldn't have told them to go F themselves? Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 3 hours ago, paxamericana said: Canada could use more freedom. America could roll some tanks into Alberta or blockade BC ports. Interdict Canadian tankers. Many options to choose from for sure. The Chinese already control our banking, government, real estate, use us for international fentanyl. Now we're giving them control of our oil, national security and media. At some point, Canadians will be begging the orange man to save us from our own stupidity. 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 16 Author Report Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Legato said: China should take over Canada, they couldn't do much worse than the Carney mob. The sooner Alberta gets out of this mess, the better. This will be a big push for Alberta separation. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
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