eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Why did so many more people die in comparative countries that didn't have vaccine uptake at our levels? Oh, oh ,oh, oh...I know this one! Density! sarc/off Edited January 22 by eyeball Sorry Michael 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Venandi Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Oh, oh ,oh, oh...I know this one! Density! Yes, there's a downside to being dense alright, especially if you're too dense to quantify the level of density. Personally, I'm not too sure what to make of all this... as a result, I take some comfort in the African proverb which suggests it's better to trust someone who is actively searching for the truth than someone who says they've already found it. It might be more complicated than atmospheric or cerebral density would lead a person to think. COVID Vaccination Rates and Death Rates per 100,000 Population COUNTRY VACCINATION RATE (% OF POPULATION) DEATHS PER 100,000 Uganda 0.03% 88 Niger 12% 5 Burundi 1% 15 North Korea 0% 0 Eritrea 0.1% 5 Canada 83% 37 United States 75% 269 United Kingdom 85% 226 Germany 82% 186 France 81% 187 Italy 84% 210 Spain 90% 223 Edited January 22 by Venandi 1 Quote
Venandi Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 Here's the same chart with the percentage of the population over 70 added: COVID Vaccination Rates, Death Rates per 100,000 Population, and Percentage of Population Over 70 COUNTRY VACCINATION RATE (% OF POPULATION) DEATHS PER 100,000 % POPULATION OVER 70 Uganda 0.03% 88 2.3% Niger 12% 5 3.1% Burundi 1% 15 3.0% North Korea 0% 0 1.0% Eritrea 0.1% 5 2.5% Canada 83% 37 19.1% United States 75% 269 16.5% United Kingdom 85% 226 18.5% Germany 82% 186 21.0% France 81% 187 20.0% Italy 84% 210 22.9% Spain 90% 223 19.3% Quote
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, Goddess said: Well, they would have been threatened with having their licenses revoked, as happened to the docs and scientists who DID point out that we were not following any of the official pandemic protocols or the science. Sorta how Trump silences media critics by threatening lawsuits and revoking broadcasting licences you mean? Or more like a double tap to the head? 3 hours ago, Goddess said: Also I doubt your doctor is too involved in Emergency Planning on any level or had any knowledge of what the pandemic protocols are/were. Hard to say something about which you know nothing. (Although you do it all the time.) Okay, doctors and pharmacists are busy people and as such I'm quite certain the professional associations they belong to have an ear to the ground on developments their members need to know about. They often have periodicals on different issues and things amongst the National Geographics in their waiting areas. 3 hours ago, Goddess said: Yes. Again, because there were issues yet to be resolved with the technology, despite the decades of research. And the cost of doing so was prohibitive until this great need to develop a vaccine came along. Then they had the sort of funding that could resolve enough issues quickly enough it allowed for the production of a safe effective vaccine that prevented millions of deaths around the world. Like I said, without it we'd still be under pandemic measures and with who knows how many more millions of deaths. 3 hours ago, Goddess said: I understand why you think that. You get your info from CBC and have extremely little knowledge of how the immune system works. Yes you have this magical supernatural ability to know everything about everything and everyone. Why, it's almost like you're a real live Goddess or something - all knowing, all seeing... infallible. 3 hours ago, Goddess said: Millions of lives were never in any danger, so you can't really claim them as being "saved." Right...it was all a perpetrated hoax... LMAO! I have zero reason to think you have a clue what you're talking Edited January 22 by eyeball 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Venandi Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sorta how Trump silences media critics by threatening lawsuits and revoking broadcasting licences you mean? Not quite... it's sorta how the military threatens (and disciplines) serving officers who express their own professional opinions publicly. 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yes you have this magical supernatural ability to know everything about everything and everyone. Sure is a lot of that going around eh? "Armed with knowledge, wisdom we seek." Edited January 22 by Venandi Quote
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, Venandi said: Yes, there's a downside to being dense alright, especially if you're too dense to quantify the level of density. Good luck with it, you're not the first to try. By the way where's the column that correlates death rates with square miles and population density? You actually don't know what the density theory is all about do you? Some people can actually use that data to show that more Canadians died than Americans. Fancy that eh? Figures lie and liars figure as they say. Whoever they are. Hey...is that a Theremin? I swear I can hear a Theremin. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Venandi Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Hey...is that a Theremin? I swear I can hear a Theremin. Stop hysterically waving your hands around and maybe we'll be able to tell. Quote
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, Venandi said: Not quite... it's sorta how the military threatens (and disciplines) serving officers who express their own professional opinions publicly. You must mean like Jordan Peterson. There's a process for that. Got any evidence of it in the case of COVID propaganda? There had to have been thousands upon thousands of people in on it during the pandemic. In addition to that there would have been years of planning in preparation for it. Whatcha got? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Venandi Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) 26 minutes ago, eyeball said: You must mean like Jordan Peterson. No, I mean there are lots of military officers with professional opinions (backed by hands on experience) that run contrary to stated government positions... they are equally restricted in making those opinions public. No magic in it at all... there are about 7000 commissioned officers affected. The ones actually speaking out are either retired or looking to drop a torpedo on their career and livelihood; might be the same with doctors, but that's just me guessing. Edited January 22 by Venandi Quote
Venandi Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 21 minutes ago, eyeball said: where's the column that correlates death rates with square miles and population density? I tried but couldn't mange to merge all of the numbers into that chart. At some point, you're going to have to start doing your own homework and defending your thesis with something other than insults and sarcasm. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 12 minutes ago, Venandi said: No, I mean there are lots of military officers with professional opinions that run contrary to stated government positions... they are equally restricted in making those opinions public. No magic in it at all. Sure, they're under strict military orders that have to do with maintaining national security. Where's the equivalent of that in our public health systems? Professional associations may occasionally discipline doctors for stepping outside of the terms and conditions of their acceptance as a member. The way employers can enforce terms of employment that restrict what you can say in public about them. The magic in Goddesse's universe however is that all this silencing of dissent is orchestrated. Where the correct narrative is composed in the highest most powerful government and corporate offices around the planet and blown out thru the MSM. Again, all this orchestrating and planning it, directing it, administering it etc etc. would require thousands of people and data banks and paper and email/text trails, not just in Canada but around the world. So whatcha got? 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Goddess Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 5 hours ago, eyeball said: Millions upon millions of people were saved Probably way over your head, and you won't read it anyways, but I'll post just one of the scientific rebuttals: A Step-by-Step Evaluation of the Claim That COVID-19 Vaccines Saved Millions of Lives Short version: 1. "Millions saved" came from computer models, not real data. Computer models, which were stacked with assumptions, ignored natural immunity and excluded harms. Political projections, not science. 2. The "Stop the Spread" lie. The models only worked because they assumed the shots stopped infection and transmission. Breakthroughs happened within weeks and the boosted were driving the waves, due to OAS. The core input was false. 3. Zero proof of deaths prevented. When transmission collapsed, the narrative shifted to "it prevents death." Yet RCT's showed no mortality benefit. There were 15 deaths with Pfizer, 14 in the unvaccinated group. 4. Manufactured myth. With no evidence, officials and media enforced the story with methodological tricks, cherry-picking, dashboard spin and censorship. CONCLUSION: The "millions saved" line is the fraudulent fallback of the Pharma cartel. It isn't science. It's propaganda. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, Venandi said: I tried but couldn't mange to merge all of the numbers into that chart. At some point, you're going to have to start doing your own homework and defending your thesis with something other than insults and sarcasm. My thesis, is right-wingers lost their shit, subscribed to a bunch of hooey and died as a result. This is corroborated by numerous scholarly papers that studied the relationship between political orientation and COVID-19 mortality rates leave no doubt whatsoever that right-leaning or populist-governed regions suffered higher mortality rates. Density. During the study period, the higher the exposure to conservatism across several political metrics, the higher the COVID-19 age-standardized mortality rates, Relationship between political partisanship and COVID-19 deaths: future implications for public health Excess Death Rates for Republicans and Democrats During the COVID-19 Pandemic Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Goddess Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 30 minutes ago, eyeball said: Again, all this orchestrating and planning it, directing it, administering it etc etc. would require thousands of people and data banks and paper and email/text trails, not just in Canada but around the world. This has been explained to you many times. It does not require tens of thousands of people to pull off something like this. It just requires a handful of people who then rely on useful id10ts, like yourself. 31 minutes ago, eyeball said: So whatcha got? I have an 82-page thread with hundreds of peer-reviewed studies and links to official data from all over the world, emails/text trails, etc from FOIPing and documents that have been handed over by whistleblowers. You have CBC headlines. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Goddess said: The "millions saved" line is the fraudulent fallback of the Pharma cartel. It isn't science. It's propaganda. And you think all of it was orchestrated, coordinated, planned, directed, administrated, executed, enforced, etc etc from the PMO and other seats of power all around the world at the same time. It's insanity not propaganda. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Goddess Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 20 minutes ago, eyeball said: During the study period, the higher the exposure to conservatism across several political metrics, the higher the COVID-19 age-standardized mortality rates, Relationship between political partisanship and COVID-19 deaths: future implications for public health Excess Death Rates for Republicans and Democrats During the COVID-19 Pandemic Pure propaganda. Not science. Like the Canadian study that "proved" unvaccinated people had more car accidents. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: And you think all of it was orchestrated, coordinated, planned, directed, administrated, executed, enforced, etc etc from the PMO and other seats of power all around the world at the same time. Again, it only needs a handful of people and a lot of useful id10ts. Organizations like Pfizer, who incurred the largest fine in American history for fraud and forging data, likely did it for money. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 Your last link is clearly labeled "Discussion Paper". It doesn't even contain any data. Not science. I didn't bother with the other links. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Goddess said: I have an 82-page thread with hundreds of peer-reviewed studies and links to official data from all over the world, emails/text trails, etc from FOIPing and documents that have been handed over by whistleblowers. I've seen the review. 7 minutes ago, Goddess said: This has been explained to you many times. It does not require tens of thousands of people to pull off something like this. It just requires a handful of people who then rely on useful id10ts, like yourself. You're suggesting my attending physician, cardiologist, pharmacist, medical examiner, cancer specialist etc are all just useful idióts along with millions of other health practitioners around the world who advise their patients to get with the program. So like 5 people pulled it off. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 11 minutes ago, Goddess said: Pure propaganda. Not science. I look forward to your answer to Michael's last question. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 23 minutes ago, Goddess said: I have an 82-page thread with hundreds of peer-reviewed studies and links to official data from all over the world, emails/text trails, etc from FOIPing and documents that have been handed over by whistleblowers. What happened when you put your meta-analysis of the data and conclusions up for peer review? I suppose you might risk a double tap to the back of the head but you could also be a candidate for a Nobel Prize and millions of dollars. Steven Tyler would be throwing his underwear at you! I would definitely apologize up and down if you took the world wide global medical community by storm. Think about it. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Goddess Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, eyeball said: What happened when you put your meta-analysis of the data and conclusions up for peer review? How many peer-reviewed papers has your doctor published? If he's a good doctor, he will have read all the studies I've posted. And then some. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 43 minutes ago, eyeball said: I look forward to your answer to Michael's last question. I believe Venandi answered it before I got here. The fact is - countries with the lowest vaccine intake also had the lowest death rates. And countries with the highest vaccine uptake, are currently experiencing very high levels of excess deaths, still. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Venandi Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) 6 hours ago, eyeball said: Sure, they're under strict military orders that have to do with maintaining national security. If you want to pursue this further start a new thread... being as I've drifted it off topic more than intended I'll simply close with this; It's not just commissioned officers (even though I used them as an example). It's Forces wide and most of the topics I refer to have absolutely nothing to do with national security. They're policy related... (stuff like recruiting priorities, DEI promotions etc). Classified material is a given and it rises to the level of criminality under the Official Secrets Act. Entirely different kettle of fish and you know it... don't snow the Snow Queen. You seem to be throwing your hands in the air and saying how is it possible to muzzle an entire professional group. It's not that hard when you have professional bodies with disciplinary powers or rely on The King's Regulations and Orders to do it. I offered up the entire bloody Canadian Forces as an example of muzzling yet you choose to dispute it with a weak sister argument about the national security bogyman. So.... cast your mind back to a time when you insisted that it absolutely was possible. Remember back in the Harper days when "you people" (as you're fond of saying) accused him of muzzling all government scientists? Remember the screams of indignation, bullying tactics and tyranny? Then POOF, all of a sudden it isn't possible anymore Lot's of case studies out there, some are pretty high profile, and all of them have a chilling effect on professionals speaking out... assuming you take a moment and chose to look. If nothing else, muzzling 68,000 military members by threatening them with career action should stand as proof of concept. There's a nurse that was fired for suggesting that (medically speaking), there are only two genders who comes instantly to mind as well because I just read a piece about her a couple of days ago... and no I'm not going to post that link for you BECAUSE: 7 hours ago, Venandi said: At some point, you're going to have to start doing your own homework and defending your thesis with something other than insults and sarcasm. As an aside and right on cue, here's a case (in the news today) where firings based on professional conduct may well be warranted... bet nothing comes of it even though sending those seeking emergency treatment "elsewhere" is potentially far more dangerous than (gasp) Ivermectin. Which BTW is one of the cheapest, most readily available, and innocuous prescription drugs available: "[Hospital staff] were nasty to the officers in the waiting room, accused them of being ICE and suggested they go elsewhere," https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-detectives-mistaken-ice-treated-rudely-hospital-staff-scuffle-suspect Edited January 22 by Venandi Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10357837/ The first study I found, from a medical source, and it says faster uptake of vaccines resulted in better mortality figures when comparing European countries Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
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