ironstone Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Who's book??? LOL My bad for assuming you had even heard of this book and who wrote it. I'm pretty sure that everyone on the conservative side in this forum is well aware of this book. 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
ExFlyer Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: Nice graph what does it prove, other than liberals and NDP are beating their chests and war drums....i find it funny, during my time in the Infantry, MOST of the combat arms trades voted conservative almost well over 95 %....while NDP and liberal did more damage to our military than any other party....those that voted conservative don't party just yet you were only slightly better in your support...And NDP i mean come on, i can't remember any one stating they voted NDP.... You guys should stop beating your chest and war drums, if you think those untrained and unarmed people will make any difference in any conflict....maybe if the LGBTQ community over threw the government maybe...but my money is on the LGBTQ community.... That the Conservatives are committing suicide . Combat arms??? Military? LGBTQ? Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: The problem with your quote is this arse runs the country....Bottom line is the liberals have wrapped that entire industry up in red tape....along with handed Indigenous people a veto to any pipeline...So Carney is quit comfortable with selling all our oil and gas to the US... My quote??? Carney reduced the red tape with the MOU and the tanker ban can be cancelled wit the stroke of a pen if there was any interest a for building the pipeline. It has to travel over indigenous land so...they always had veto; Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 (edited) 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: Canada’s Intelligence Agency Says China Remains One Of The Country’s Most Serious National Security Concerns So every country has the same warning on them as well, the UK France, etc...I think your down playing the CSIS warnings...now had the conservatives down this what would you be screaming then... It was China that held Canadians captive, it was China that has been accused of inter national interference and interference into Canadians elections... It is China that has police stations in Canada to police ex Chinese citizens...SO why China Carney could have gone to any Asian country and got just as much concession as China gave. China is our number two largest trading partner, with 3.9 % of our exports and imports coming from....Thats not very big and to trade away what he did , for maybe more trade...WTF are we thinking... As I said "China has been involved in industrial espionage for many decades all over the world... as has the US, Russia and many other countries (probably Canada too)." I am not as paranoid as some seem to be on this forum. China was OK for years when you were able to buy their cheap products but now you want to make it political and they are the bad guys...hypocrites LOL Edited January 18 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 (edited) 9 hours ago, ironstone said: My bad for assuming you had even heard of this book and who wrote it. I'm pretty sure that everyone on the conservative side in this forum is well aware of this book. And what do you think is is about?? What in it helps your criticism? Where does it mention oil?? I think it may be a bit academic for you to understand LOL Here is Cole notes ... "Value(s): Building a Better World for All," argues that our world faces a crisis in values, where market values (price) have overshadowed human/societal values (fairness, responsibility, sustainability), leading to inequality and instability; he calls for a return to foundational human values to build a more equitable and resilient future, using insights from his central banking experience during crises like the 2008 crash and the pandemic. Core Argument: Root Causes: He links problems like inequality, climate change, systemic racism, and job insecurity to this crisis. Solution: The book proposes transforming markets to serve humanity, not the other way around, advocating for tangible actions to prioritize human potential and collective good over short-term profit. Crisis of Values: Carney contends that "market economies" have become "market societies" where price dictates value, eroding fundamental human values like integrity, kindness, and fairness. Key Values Discussed: Dynamism, Resilience, Sustainability, Fairness, Responsibility, Solidarity, Humility. Insights & Experience: Draws on his time as Governor of the Bank of England and his role in the 2008 financial crisis and the COVID-19 pandemic. Purpose: To provide a roadmap for leaders and individuals to build a more just and sustainable world by rebalancing market and human values. Edited January 18 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 12 hours ago, Legato said: More evidence of the fear you exhibit. Attempts at unconvincing defense. Again...fear of what... I have asked 4 or more times and you keep deflection. Typical conservative manoeuvre...make accusations and keep with the obfuscation,. LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Canadaisintrouble Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 Canada is cooked! How is China better than the USA? I can't wait to vote for Alberta independence! 1 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 21 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Canada reaps no economic benefits, Some economic activity, some taxes, and hopefully further trade with China to come. https://www.conferenceboard.ca/insights/trade-partner-profile-china/ "In 2024, Canada exported $30 billion of products to China and imported $87 billion." 2 Quote
Legato Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Again...fear of what... I have asked 4 or more times and you keep deflection. Typical conservative manoeuvre...make accusations and keep with the obfuscation,. LOL How the hell would I know what your fear is based upon. It manifests itself in your posts on a regular basis. Do try to find the cause, it's the first step in self healing. Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 51 minutes ago, Legato said: How the hell would I know what your fear is based upon. It manifests itself in your posts on a regular basis. Do try to find the cause, it's the first step in self healing. You keep saying I am frightened so you must know....you seem to think you know it all LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 15 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Everyone would love a North American strategy for EVs. Unfortunately, the Orange Menace has made sure we won’t be coming to any agreements anytime soon. So we turn to a different trading partner. Or would you rather Canada just decays economically? So are you suggesting Canada can not trade with any other countries or is China the only one...And why are we so willing to forgive China for past transgressions, and yet we can't even talk to trump... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: My quote??? Carney reduced the red tape with the MOU and the tanker ban can be cancelled wit the stroke of a pen if there was any interest a for building the pipeline. It has to travel over indigenous land so...they always had veto; Yes he reduced a little bit of the red tape....but there still remains mountains of it left... NO, they don't have a veto....They are to be consulted with....no where does it say anyone has a veto...if the Fed want to ram a pipeline through they can do just that.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Yes he reduced a little bit of the red tape....but there still remains mountains of it left... NO, they don't have a veto....They are to be consulted with....no where does it say anyone has a veto...if the Fed want to ram a pipeline through they can do just that.... Feds,provinces,municipalities all have regulations, red tape.....that are changeable based on needs and requirements. We only have rules, regulations and laws because something happened and needed to be controlled. Yeah... the indigenous have veto...for sure. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: As I said "China has been involved in industrial espionage for many decades all over the world... as has the US, Russia and many other countries (probably Canada too)." I am not as paranoid as some seem to be on this forum. China was OK for years when you were able to buy their cheap products but now you want to make it political and they are the bad guys...hypocrites LOL YOU can chose to ignore any federal warning you want to, it does not take away from the fact they are their for a reason....Not only does CSIS warn us , but so does NATO, NORAD, 5 EYES, the list goes on China is a threat to these organizations... China has never been OK, it held 2 Canadians hostage , and has placed tariffs on Canada way before the US did....your memory seems l short sighted. I would prefer not to deal with China at all, Canadians will buy what ever they can if it is cheap....they are not that concerned with politics.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 10 minutes ago, Army Guy said: So are you suggesting Canada can not trade with any other countries or is China the only one...And why are we so willing to forgive China for past transgressions, and yet we can't even talk to trump... Who ever said that??? We forgive and forget past transgressions all the time. Sure we can talk to trump but...does he want to talk to us??? Seems not. Just now, Army Guy said: YOU can chose to ignore any federal warning you want to, it does not take away from the fact they are their for a reason....Not only does CSIS warn us , but so does NATO, NORAD, 5 EYES, the list goes on China is a threat to these organizations... China has never been OK, it held 2 Canadians hostage , and has placed tariffs on Canada way before the US did....your memory seems l short sighted. I would prefer not to deal with China at all, Canadians will buy what ever they can if it is cheap....they are not that concerned with politics.... Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Feds,provinces,municipalities all have regulations, red tape.....that are changeable based on needs and requirements. We only have rules, regulations and laws because something happened and needed to be controlled. Yeah... the indigenous have veto...for sure. Thanks Capt obvious....i think we all get that fact, what your forgetting is He has not changed any real significant policy to make pipelines a reality for companies to want to build one... His MOU means nothing, it is a piece of paper that states nothing....he has no intention of building any pipeline.... Show me a source that states any Indigenous people have a veto power on anything the Feds do...other than Carneys word when he stated he would not force any project through if there was opposition....in reality no one has veto over any feds determined to put a project through....Consultation is all that is required... with indigenous, and EBY. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Who ever said that??? We forgive and forget past transgressions all the time. Sure we can talk to trump but...does he want to talk to us??? Seems not. Treebeard did...He suggested without trade with China our economy would decade....which is BS, China only makes up 3.9 % of our trade numbers....That and there are plenty of other nations we could increase trade with , with out security risks... Quote Everyone would love a North American strategy for EVs. Unfortunately, the Orange Menace has made sure we won’t be coming to any agreements anytime soon. So we turn to a different trading partner. Or would you rather Canada just decays economically? Sure we do, just not with the US right.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ironstone Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 Be wary of those Chinese EV's!😨 Electric Cars in Israel Reportedly Sending Data Secretly to China The Israeli Ministry of Defense has suspended the supply of Chinese electric vehicles to army officers due to concerns over data collection via built-in sensors and communication systems. The ban followed multiple warnings from cybersecurity experts who emphasized that Chinese vehicles could be used as tools for espionage. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/electric-cars-in-israel-reportedly-sending-data-secretly-to-china/ar-AA1IhjU3 Canada might be one of the easiest countries for the CCP to be active in. Despite repeated warnings from security agencies about China, our Liberal government just keeps drawing them in closer and closer. Police stations, and even MP's that work in China's best interests. 1 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
cougar Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 On 1/16/2026 at 8:26 AM, Goddess said: We had oil & gas, the #1 industry that brings a nation prosperity and then spent the last 10 years strangling it. This cannot be considered a viable industry. None of those "industries" that rely on stripping natural resources from the land to ship them overseas or across the south border is a viable long term industry! Why? Because none of the resources are renewable, including the trees. With mining you damage the land and pollute water courses that ultimately ends the way of life for communities nearby. With oil and gas you do the same thing with a potential for an even bigger impact. And this does not even begin to account for climate change. An industry is when a nation can manufacture end products for themselves, be independent and if innovative enough, be able to dictate prices and export those products to other nations. We do not even have a single refinery for the mighty #1 oil and gas industry that you mention! We can't even produce gasoline without the capabilities of the States! Sure they will say they do not need us, because clearly it is us needing them! They can shut down the supply of gasoline and diesel and what do we do then? 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 Like the US, China has become a problem that no one country can solve. Here’s a claim I would be sceptical of: Quote China never deliberately pursued a trade surplus and is willing to be "the world's market", Vice Premier He Lifeng told the World Economic Forum on Tuesday, after the manufacturing giant logged a record surplus that will further unnerve its trade partners. China is willing to leverage its "mega-sized market" and "more vigorously" expand imports, He said at the WEF's annual meeting in the Swiss ski resort Davos. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-never-deliberately-pursued-trade-surplus-vice-premier-says-2026-01-20/ At the current rate of trade surplus expansion, China is going to run out of globe soon. Its leaders seem obsessed with production for its own sake in every sector. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
Venandi Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 (edited) On 1/18/2026 at 8:08 PM, cougar said: This cannot be considered a viable industry. I usually skim through these threads because I claim no particular expertise in such matters. But, even lacking a modicum of expertise, your blanket assertion caught my attention in a way usually reserved for a 2X4 across the side of the head... as did the notion that Canada's self inflicted mutilation of the industry itself could now be turned into a argument in support of non viability. It's a fascinating exercise in logical absurdity that's on par with the liberal gun grab. I say that because there has to be an alternate explanation and there has to be a motive for using it... otherwise your statement simply makes no sense on the face of it. Would you consider the oil industry in Iraq, Kuwait or the UAE (ever been to Dubai) to be viable? I ask because the thing those countries all have in common is less reserves than Canada. IMO, deliberately strangling something valuable with both hands and then claiming it to be non viable due to asphyxiation seems like a uniquely progressive position. In a logical world, eating all of the chickens shouldn't be used to assert that declining egg production is proof that egg farming can't be considered a viable industry. Edited January 21 by Venandi 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 On 1/18/2026 at 10:44 AM, Legato said: Thanks to Trump...... times and things have dramatically changed. As some wise person said..."Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"" Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 (edited) On 1/18/2026 at 12:53 PM, ironstone said: Be wary of those Chinese EV's!😨 Electric Cars in Israel Reportedly Sending Data Secretly to China The Israeli Ministry of Defense has suspended the supply of Chinese electric vehicles to army officers due to concerns over data collection via built-in sensors and communication systems. The ban followed multiple warnings from cybersecurity experts who emphasized that Chinese vehicles could be used as tools for espionage. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/ news/other/electric-cars-in-israel-reportedly-sending-data-secretly-to-china/ar-AA1IhjU3 Canada might be one of the easiest countries for the CCP to be active in. Despite repeated warnings from security agencies about China, our Liberal government just keeps drawing them in closer and closer. Police stations, and even MP's that work in China's best interests. Sending data to China??? Letting them know how many times you go to the store? Or to your Moms house? Your driving habits??? The Horror !! LOL Maybe if you buy them for your Military, their tracking systems can tell where you are but seriously? Are you concerned about OnStar on GM vehicles or the equivalent on many other vehicles??? They do the same thing. I mean, insurance companies want to sell you a crash device so they know if you crash. All phones have tracking capability. Edited January 21 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Venandi Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 Well, I would caution against the notion that China has changed, Canada has changed, or that acting on something which was (only months ago) deemed a security threat to the nation has been voided simply because of Trump's antics. I would also observe that keeping enemies close leads to unnecessary stress and serves to increase the potential for conflict (in many areas) when evolving circumstances result in reliance on the provision of fundamental necessities. It only encourages bad behaviour on the part of bad actors who see the new relationship as a tool to be exploited and view it as an affiliation born of desperation... something to be seized upon when convenient to do so. There is an African proverb that suggests "If the rabbit becomes your enemy, admit that that he is a fast sprinter". Quote
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