Barquentine Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 On 1/17/2026 at 6:26 PM, Goddess said: CTV poll, a large majority of Canadians said they believed unvaxxed people should be imprisoned and have their children taken away First off that's a ridiculous lie. No poll said that! And if you're talking about the MARU poll: Google AI "Maru polls have highlighted strong right-leaning sentiment in Western Canada, particularly in Alberta and Saskatchewan, where there is higher opposition to federal Liberal policies." On 1/17/2026 at 6:26 PM, Goddess said: If we learned anything from the Ashe & Milgram experiments, the majority of people are YOU. Asch's conformity studies showed people often align with incorrect group opinions (75% conformed at least once). Milgram's obedience experiments demonstrated shocking willingness to obey authority figures. What does that prove? Could apply to any country, any political party. "The majority of people are YOU." You've espoused a lot of "incorrect group opinions". 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 13 minutes ago, Venandi said: Well, I would caution against the notion that China has changed, Canada has changed, or that acting on something which was (only months ago) deemed a security threat to the nation has been voided simply because of Trump's antics. I would also observe that keeping enemies close leads to unnecessary stress and serves to increase the potential for conflict (in many areas) when evolving circumstances result in reliance on the provision of fundamental necessities. It only encourages bad behaviour on the part of bad actors who see the new relationship as a tool to be exploited and view it as an affiliation born of desperation... something to be seized upon when convenient to do so. There is an African proverb that suggests "If the rabbit becomes your enemy, admit that that he is a fast sprinter". While skepticism should be part of this situation, I cannot agree that we (Canada) are in any way or do have reliance on China. We are dealing with China (as we had in the past) because of the situation the US has put us in. We will most likely not have the US as reliable partner in trade any more so it is imperative we strike up relationships with other nations to ensure we remain viable and can survive in this world. When it comes to China we can fir sure say "been the done that" and learn from out past. So, knowing them is far better than trying to start a new situation. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 56 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Thanks to Trump...... times and things have dramatically changed. As some wise person said..."Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"" Well the Carney has made an enemy out of the US, so prey tell, how is the Carney keeping the US closer. 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, Legato said: the Carney has made an enemy out of the US Yeah, and Ukraine started that war.... Quote
Legato Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 1 minute ago, Barquentine said: Yeah, and Ukraine started that war.... Well who else? Do enlighten us on your superior wisdom. Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 19 minutes ago, Legato said: Well the Carney has made an enemy out of the US, so prey tell, how is the Carney keeping the US closer. I think Canada was an enemy to Trump before Carney was around. Trudeau made him hate us the first time around and it has never diminished. And, Carney is there always saying he is willing to talk....making Trump be silent. The last time Trump crapped on Canada was during the Ford commercial stunt. He even said what Carney did with China was good. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-signals-approval-canada-china-160109095.html Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Venandi Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Barquentine said: First off that's a ridiculous lie. No poll said that! Not ridiculous at all... If memory serves it was running at about 18%. You may have forgotten just how nasty and hateful people became. Imagine cheering when your neighbours got fired. Some of the rhetoric around that was "try and pay your mortgage now." Remember that... I sure as hell do. Those opinions are now in the same box as all of those "elbows Up" T-shirts that polluted the gym a while ago. Not a trace of em now... In fact, if you to go searching for some of that hateful rhetoric you'll be hard pressed to find any... national shame perhaps. And well deserved IMO --------------- Actually here ya go, I guess it was 15%... this is a quick AI breakdown. Beyond that you'll have to do your own homework as I don't recall the actual poll and I'm not going searching for a link: ASPECT PERCENTAGE Support for internment 15% Support for restrictions 79% Strongly against any measure 15% Edited January 21 by Venandi Quote
Legato Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I think Canada was an enemy to Trump before Carney was around. Trudeau made him hate us the first time around and it has never diminished. And, Carney is there always saying he is willing to talk....making Trump be silent. The last time Trump crapped on Canada was during the Ford commercial stunt. He even said what Carney did with China was good. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-signals-approval-canada-china-160109095.html Then how is the Carney keeping us closer? Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Legato said: Then how is the Carney keeping us closer? Making deals to know how and when and what the Chinese are doing.... a lot closer than a month ago. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 51 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Making deals to know how and when and what the Chinese are doing.... a lot closer than a month ago. I was asking about our relationship with the US. You said they are now the enemy so again, how is the Carney keeping our enemies close? 1 Quote
Goddess Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Barquentine said: First off that's a ridiculous lie. No poll said that! The poll has been removed now but there are still news articles about it. More than one in four Canadians support jail time for unvaccinated: poll | Regina Leader Post As the poll progressed, at the end it was over 60% of Canadians wanted their fellow citizens jailed. I have the final tally of the poll screenshotted somewhere, I'll try to find it if I have time. 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Legato said: I was asking about our relationship with the US. You said they are now the enemy so again, how is the Carney keeping our enemies close? I believe when I mentioned keeping your enimies closer, I was responding to you and your post about China. As I said, in the case with Trump, he has not stopped talking to Trump and as he is not talking back...he is doing the best he can. I think you should be aware that not all the US or Americans agree with Trump and his tactics and many of those that did are reconsidering. Unfortunately, he is the prez and seems to be able to do as his "morals" dictate (as he announced) . Edited January 21 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Venandi Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 22 minutes ago, Goddess said: The poll has been removed now but there are still news articles about it. More than one in four Canadians support jail time for unvaccinated: poll | Regina Leader Post Sad, guess I didn't see the poll you refer to; even as cynical as I am I wouldn't have guessed it was that high. Thanks for the link but I stopped reading after a few paragraphs... out of embarrassment. What a shameful chapter in the history of a great nation. Unless I need it for gym motivation, I can't even bring myself to read the comments (right here on the forum) from past threads on the subject. BTW, thanks for all of your work on the "trickle thread," I wasn't smart enough to retain it all but I did read it with interest. I'll save that the link for the next time I feel like watching NETFLIX instead of training. Quote
herbie Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 I see the Washington Post played to the typical American delusion that everything is about them and headline an article that Carney's trade deal with China was to troll Donald Trump. No not all leaders use their position to solely benefit themselves. Just yours. 2 Quote
Nationalist Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 To the subject of the OP... I have to admit, this is not a bad deal. It might even convince the Americans to play nicer with us. Or not... Look at it this way @Goddess...Canada is already multiculturaled to mush. I may not like the prospect of a lot more migration from China, but at least I can respect them. Ill just leave it at that... 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Venandi said: Thanks for the link but I stopped reading after a few paragraphs... out of embarrassment. You mean the picture wasn't enough? 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
cougar Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I think Canada was an enemy to Trump before Carney was around. Trudeau made him hate us the first time around and it has never diminished. Naah.... He does not really hate us. He just wants to take advantage of us, any way he can. If he can squeeze a few billions more for himself, that's good ; if he can grab the whole country with its vast landmass and resources for his cronies , that's even better. 1 Quote
Goddess Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Venandi said: BTW, thanks for all of your work on the "trickle thread," I wasn't smart enough to retain it all but I did read it with interest. Very welcome. It has been a labor of love. Right now, there are a couple of new papers just published on the RNA:DNA hybrids, which contaminate the vials. Some vials/batches worse than others. Until this issue is resolved, all further mRNA vaccines invented will experience the same contamination. Dr. Kevin McKernan (SOLiD sequencing expert, R & D lead on The Human Genome Project with MIT/WIBR and the founder of Medicinal Genomics) was, if I remember correctly, the first to identify the DNA contamination. Later confirmed by about 8 independent labs. McKernan believes, in this new paper, that treating mRNA vaccines with a preparation of DNase I-XT during the manufacturing process may resolve the contamination issue. I am currently digesting and reviewing those papers before posting it on the Trickle Thread. But it seems very promising for making the mRNA technology safer. This is why we don't create vaccines and genetic therapy as "rush jobs". all this kind of testing would normally have been done BEFORE mass marketing. Dr. McKernan has developed a treatment for some of the worst vaccine-injured, with help from Japan and has recently started giving treatments there. Kayla Pollack, one of Canada's most severely injured, has been invited by Dr. McKernan (also a Canadian) to undergo the treatment in Japan. https://x.com/kcpollock/status/1794838685340361122?s=20 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Venandi said: Sad, guess I didn't see the poll you refer to; even as cynical as I am I wouldn't have guessed it was that high. Thanks for the link but I stopped reading after a few paragraphs... out of embarrassment. Now, we wait until the next time the poll is mentioned and Barky again claims it doesn't exist. A lot of posters here seem unable to correct their own mistaken beliefs. It's Belief Perseverance. The original lie "sticks" and they are unable to correct their thinking. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Goddess said: This is why we don't create vaccines and genetic therapy as "rush jobs". all this kind of testing would normally have been done BEFORE mass marketing. Good thing we rush when a mass epidemic hits. Remember when we lived in hope of a vaccine in 5 years? They'd just be rolling it out now. Think about that in light of how much you kicked and screamed in the face of pandemic measures. Millions upon millions of people were saved and life started returning to normal that much sooner. In any case mRNA technology research has been around for 60 years, experimental mRNA vaccines have been around for 35 years and trials on humans started in 2001. 1 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Goddess Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: Good thing we rush when a mass epidemic hits. No, it's not a good thing. I covered this in the Trickle Thread - why pandemic experts have always said NOT to vaccinate during a pandemic. 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: mRNA technology research has been around for 60 years, experimental mRNA vaccines have been around for 35 years and trials on humans started in 2001. Yes. Despite decades of research, they were never brought to market before. For a reason. Those reasons were not resolved before the covid pandemic. Hopefully, scientists like Dr. McKernan can resolve the issues and make them safer so we have less Kayla Pollacks, less Sean Hartmans next time. 15 minutes ago, eyeball said: Millions upon millions of people were saved and life started returning to normal that much sooner. It had an IFR of slightly higher than the seasonal flu, a 99.9% survival rate and was only risky for a very tiny percentage of the population. Bad time to try out 2 technologies that never made it past the testing stage. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 52 minutes ago, Goddess said: No, it's not a good thing. I covered this in the Trickle Thread - why pandemic experts have always said NOT to vaccinate during a pandemic. Nonsense, my drs et al would have said something if that were the case. 56 minutes ago, Goddess said: Yes. Despite decades of research, they were never brought to market before. For a reason. Those reasons were not resolved before the covid pandemic. Yes they were. Breakthroughs started occurring in 2005 and while commercial applications were limited, COVID hit and thankfully we had the technology pretty much on the shelf. Like I said, without it we might still be wearing masks and social distancing. 1 hour ago, Goddess said: Hopefully, scientists like Dr. McKernan can resolve the issues and make them safer so we have less Kayla Pollacks, less Sean Hartmans next time. Absolutely. Meanwhile... For years, a lingering question has shadowed COVID-19 vaccination campaigns: are mRNA vaccines safe in the long run? While many studies have established that COVID-19 vaccines prevent severe illness and death in the weeks and months after injection, sceptics have continued to ask whether any hidden harms might surface later on. Now, one of the largest long-term vaccine safety studies ever undertaken – including data from more than 28 million adults aged 18 to 59 – offers the clearest answer yet.... ...Reassuring data Although this isn’t the first study to find that vaccinated people don’t die at higher rates, it is the first to follow such a large population of young to middle-aged adults for such a long period, incorporating the statistical tools to rule out biases.... A causal link between mRNA vaccination and excess long-term mortality appears highly unlikely. Here's the study the article cited. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Goddess said: It had an IFR of slightly higher than the seasonal flu, a 99.9% survival rate and was only risky for a very tiny percentage of the population. Millions of lives were saved are being saved now and will be into the future. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Goddess Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: my drs et al would have said something if that were the case. Well, they would have been threatened with having their licenses revoked, as happened to the docs and scientists who DID point out that we were not following any of the official pandemic protocols or the science. Also I doubt your doctor is too involved in Emergency Planning on any level or had any knowledge of what the pandemic protocols are/were. Hard to say something about which you know nothing. (Although you do it all the time.) 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: Breakthroughs started occurring in 2005 and while commercial applications were limited, Yes. Again, because there were issues yet to be resolved with the technology, despite the decades of research. 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: without it we might still be wearing masks and social distancing. I understand why you think that. You get your info from CBC and have extremely little knowledge of how the immune system works. 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: Millions of lives were saved are being saved now and will be into the future. Millions of lives were never in any danger, so you can't really claim them as being "saved." Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Michael Hardner Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 13 minutes ago, Goddess said: . Millions of lives were never in any danger, so you can't really claim them as being "saved." Why did so many more people die in comparative countries that didn't have vaccine uptake at our levels? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
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