Potential for the Liberal government to fall in a matter of weeks.

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's what I'd expect, except they'd probably get a majority.

 

Well, the NDP is effectively neutered, so that only leaves the Bloc...which will remain the Bloc.   Don't see much movement either way from the status quo.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Well, the NDP is effectively neutered, so that only leaves the Bloc...which will remain the Bloc.   Don't see much movement either way from the status quo.

It wouldn't take much.

But then imagine if Poilievre was out of the picture or if Doug Ford were to suddenly bomb it?  Heck, Ford's big enough he'd literally eclipse PP.

He's more progressive, aggressive, sane and even crooked so he'd probably do quite well.

Carney would almost be in the same position Poilievre was when he suddenly had to pivot.

[bush_cheney2004]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It wouldn't take much.

But then imagine if Poilievre was out of the picture or if Doug Ford were to suddenly bomb it?  Heck, Ford's big enough he'd literally eclipse PP.

 

That is what I am imagining...Poilievre out...and...wait for it...Danielle Smith in !

Get back to a western province PM, like Harper (despite being born in Ontariario).

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Clean that up when you're done.

Aw, are we back to having to edit people's comments because you can't argue with the truth and need to create something that nobody ever said in order to try and salvage your ego?

Holy crap do I ever live rent free in your head kiddo   

 

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

That is what I am imagining...Poilievre out...and...wait for it...Danielle Smith in !

She's too cozy with the crazies for Canada's tastes and don't even think about Rustad.

Even I might vote for Carney if I thought the crazies had a chance.

24 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Get back to a western province PM, like Harper (despite being born in Ontariario).

There's no one. PP was the best they could come up with.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

She's too cozy with the crazies for Canada's tastes and don't even think about Rustad.

 

Need some crazy just to shake things up...gotta be somebody else.   How about a celebrity...say Kevin O'Leary trying again.   Or maybe The Great One > Wayne Gretzky.

I know Canadian leadership tends to come from groomed insiders, but maybe that is part of the problem.

[SpankyMcFarland]

I’d say the opposition parties are going to talk tough but make damn sure they don’t trigger another election. Nobody wants that and heaven help anybody who causes it. 

Edited November 5, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Zeitgeist]

PP is actually a smart guy who isn’t scared of a scrap.  No party will do well in government right now.  I do think it’s important to stand firm on these issues with targeted counter measures even if tariffs hurt us more than the Americans overall, because the important thing is that enough Americans feel the pinch of Trump’s tariff war on Canada to turn voters against him and the Republicans on tariffs against Canada.

If Trump realizes that his ability to govern and leave a good or popular legacy is in the balance, he’ll back off for political survival, unless he really doesn’t care about his party or legacy.  However, if this is all about animus against Trudeau or Canada, that’s a sign of a serious character flaw that puts America and the world at risk.  No man should be in power who makes decisions that impact millions of people’s lives on the basis of whims and ego. We saw the Nero film already.  Not good.  

Edited November 5, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, Gaétan said:

There have been more than 500,000 deaths — these are not my figures."

There were 70,000 deaths in the last Gaza war, dummy.

70,000. That's not 500,000.

Of those 70,000 deaths, the vast majority were Hamas terrorists. FYI women who are terrorists don't count as "women and children". 

• Hamas has revised its casualty figures from the Gaza war, removing hundreds of names from its official list of war fatalities, and revealing that 72% of those killed between ages 13 and 55 were males – a demographic largely composed of combatants. The updated figures contradict Hamas' earlier claims that most casualties were women and children.

It's the Gazans themselves who groom children to be terrorists. This war didn't even have to happen, let alone involve child-soldiers. That's all on Hamas. 

Of the 2M people from Gaza, do you think that none of the women were terrorists? Do you think that none of the women stored weapons/explosives/ammo, spied, helped hide IEDs, etc?

If you look at all the deaths that occurred in other wars against Israel, those were almost all soldiers. It was soldiers that attacked Israel, and soldiers that died. 

So, when you try to cite that big number, 90 percent or more are "soldiers and terrorists who died while trying to commit genocide against Israel".

Did you think it was women and children that attacked Israel in 1948?

Did you think it was women and children that attacked Israel in 1967?

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict

That link has the death toll for all the wars and terrorist attacks going back to 1920. The recent Gaza war, with 70,000 deaths, is not included.

THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ANTI-ISRAELI COMBATANTS AND TERRORISTS KILLED UP TO 2022 WAS 91,000. ALMOST ALL OF THOSE 91,000 DEATHS OCCURRED AMONG SOLDIERS ATTACKING ISRAEL FROM ABOUT 9 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.

ADD THE 70,000 PEOPLE, MOSTLY HAMAS TERRORISTS, WHO WERE KILLED IN THE LAST GAZA WAR, THE TOTAL IS 160,000. The VAST, VAST MAJORITY OF WHICH WERE SOLDIERS. 

No one says 500,000, Gaetan.

And 500,000 would still be at least 200,000 less than the low-end number of Sikhs and Hindus killed by Pakistan when Pakistan was partitioned by Britain THE EXACT SAME WAY THAT ISRAEL WAS PARTITIONED. The Pakistanis killed a bare minimum of 700,000 people  between their creation in 1947 and the day Israel was created in 1948.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO KILL ALL THE GAZANS FROM THE MOST RECENT WAR TEN TIMES TO EQUAL THE LOW-NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED BY PAKISTAN IN 1947. And the Sikhs and Hindus killed were not "mostly soldiers and terrorists". They were almost entirely civilian men, women, and children who were shot, stabbed, hacked to death, hung, or burned to death with gasoline. Pakistanis singled them out and killed them all, none of them were unintentional casualties from when a bomb struck a weapons cache or terrorist bunker. 

And that's just the first Pakistan genocide. They committed a second genocide in 1971 that might be as high as 3M.

 

Your 500,000 number is 100% BS, Gaetan. Tell me where you think you got that. 

[Goddess]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm with Elizabeth Green on this budget. It's crap. I hope the budget falls.

More political chaos suits my mood I guess. My morbid curiosity is increasing as the years go by.

The pain of hitting rock bottom is the only path towards an appreciation for the alternative. Unfortunately it'll be more like a dead cat bounce.

Yay.

We agree on this one.

[Goddess]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

By rights you righties should be the ones carrying the torches and pitchforks

And every time we do, lefties like you, side with the government.......

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Need some crazy just to shake things up...

I'll settle for a little around the edges to keep the rest grounded.

Quote

I know Canadian leadership tends to come from groomed insiders, but maybe that is part of the problem.

I think the problem is the belief we need to be led when we simply need to govern ourselves.  They're two completely different things and we've tied ourselves into pretzels pretending they're the same and we can't possibly do one without the other.

[eyeball]

59 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Yay.

We agree on this one.

Don't start popping the corks just yet, I might be lying.

[eyeball]

57 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And every time we do, lefties like you, side with the government.......

I side with the governed assuming they're governable. If they insist on being crazy ignorant twits scrape them off.

 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I side with the liberals because they're soooo keeewwwlll, but i don't like to admit it

 

 

[Gaétan]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There were 70,000 deaths in the last Gaza war, dummy.

70,000. That's not 500,000.

 

According to the study published in The Lancet in July 2024, the death toll in Gaza since October 2023 had already exceeded 186,000, including indirect deaths caused by:

Collapse of the healthcare system

Malnutrition and starvation

Untreated diseases

Lack of clean water and shelter

Since June 2024, the situation has dramatically worsened: intensified bombings, total infrastructure collapse, blockade of humanitarian aid, and outbreaks of infectious diseases. It is therefore reasonable and cautious to extrapolate that the total number of deaths — direct and indirect — now exceeds 500,000.

This figure is not an exaggeration: it reflects the cumulative reality of a slow genocide, where people die not only from bombs, but from the rubble of international indifference.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Gaétan said:

According to the study published in The Lancet in July 2024, the death toll in Gaza since October 2023 had already exceeded 186,000, including indirect deaths caused by:

Collapse of the healthcare system

Malnutrition and starvation

Untreated diseases

Lack of clean water and shelter

Since June 2024, the situation has dramatically worsened: intensified bombings, total infrastructure collapse, blockade of humanitarian aid, and outbreaks of infectious diseases. It is therefore reasonable and cautious to extrapolate that the total number of deaths — direct and indirect — now exceeds 500,000.

This figure is not an exaggeration: it reflects the cumulative reality of a slow genocide, where people die not only from bombs, but from the rubble of international indifference.

So none of it caused by Israel then. So what's the issue

[Gaétan]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So none of it caused by Israel then. So what's the issue

Bombing hospitals and buildings that collapsed onto civilians, depriving them of food and medicine — is that not Israel’s doing? Who did it then, the devil?

186 000+(20 667×16)=186 000+330 672=516 672 deaths But this is merely a mathematical projection — the situation has worsened since July 2024, which means the grim figure of 516,672 deaths is actually underestimated

Edited November 5, 2025 by Gaétan

[Nationalist]

17 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Bombing hospitals and buildings that collapsed onto civilians, depriving them of food and medicine — is that not Israel’s doing? Who did it then, the devil?

186 000+(20 667×16)=186 000+330 672=516 672 deaths But this is merely a mathematical projection — the situation has worsened since July 2024, which means the grim figure of 516,672 deaths is actually underestimated

The Gazans took a chance on global sympathy...and lost...for now.

However they have raised some much needed questioning of our nation's relationship with Israel. 

I don't think anyone can know how this ends but, we've learned 2 important things.

1. Israel has been given a "bloody nose".

2. The other Arab nations don't really want the Gazans in their land either.

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

The Gazans took a chance on global sympathy...and lost...for now.

Israel, the Great Harlot, is favored by conservatives and the Beast.

[bush_cheney2004]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

I think the problem is the belief we need to be led when we simply need to govern ourselves.  They're two completely different things and we've tied ourselves into pretzels pretending they're the same and we can't possibly do one without the other.

 

Careful there...that is a very American idea.   Canadians protested "No Kings" against Trump...when in fact they very much do have a king.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Careful there...that is a very American idea.   Canadians protested "No Kings" against Trump...when in fact they very much do have a king.

Americans protested because there's a pretentious idiót running things. Canadians showed their support. King Charles was the farthest thing from their minds.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Americans protested because there's a pretentious idiót running things. Canadians showed their support. King Charles was the farthest thing from their minds.

 

It's still a bad look...enjoy your king, and princes, princesses, dukes, etc.   Canadians supporting protests in another nation is performative at best, with no other relevance.

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

It's still a bad look...

It's a real stretch.

26 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

...enjoy your king, and princes, princesses, dukes, etc.   

Enjoy your pretentious idiót.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

It's a real stretch.

Enjoy your pretentious idiót.

 

We are...Trump is like the Energizer Bunny...never stops.