Potential for the Liberal government to fall in a matter of weeks.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

There was no "big bang".

What do you think produced it's afterglow - the cosmic microwave background that astronomers can see and study?

You can see it for yourself on an old TV - it's the snow or static you see between channels.

Can you see God?

Edited November 10, 2025 by eyeball

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What do you think produced it's afterglow - the cosmic microwave background that astronomers can see and study?

There are possibly millions of galaxies, black holes, things that send out radiation.   They can only see a tiny fraction of our part of the universe.  It is impossible to determine where it comes from.

Edited November 10, 2025 by blackbird

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There are possibly millions of galaxies, black holes, things that send out radiation.  They can only see a tiny fraction of the universe.  Nobody knows where the microwave radiations come from.  Galaxies emit a lot.

Astronomers know exactly where it came from.

You figure they're all wrong or just making it up or something?

Light from galaxies and black holes came after - hence the word background.

Edited November 10, 2025 by eyeball

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Astronomers know exactly where it came from.

You figure they're all wrong or just making it up or something?

You don't understand astronomers can only see a tiny drop of the universe even with their powerful telescopes.  They can't see much of it.  It's way to big and distant to know exactly where all the radiation comes from.   Do some more reading.

[blackbird]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Astronomers know exactly where it came from.

Not a chance.

"However, an intriguing question arises: what lies beyond the observable universe? There are numerous additional galaxies that are beyond our visual range. The light from these distant galaxies has not had enough time to reach Earth, and due to the continuous expansion of space and the motion of galaxies, we may never get to see them. This leads us to the conclusion that the entire universe is at least 250 times larger than the observable universe, and some argue that it could even be infinite."

James Webb Telescope Reveals True Size of Universe

If the universe is at least 250 times larger than what they can observe, that means what I said is true.

The can only see a very tiny fraction of the universe and it may be infinitely large.  That means anything they say about it is pure speculation.  It is impossible to prove.  They know almost nothing about it other than it is unbelievably large.  There may be a trillion or more galaxies.  The number of stars is so great they have no idea how many stars there are.  It's a guessing game.

 

Whatever astronomers observe, that's the way God created it.  Everything they say about it could be changed in the future because it is really just a guessing game.   It proves that God's power is infinite.

Edited November 10, 2025 by blackbird

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You don't understand astronomers can only see a tiny drop of the universe even with their powerful telescopes.  They can't see much of it.  It's way to big...

What they see is the observable universe - the light from the big bang that became visible only after the universe cooled enough to become transparent - 380,000 years after the bang.

[blackbird]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'll stick with science thanks.

If you were really sticking with science, you would listen to some of the greatest scientists that ever lived who believed in God.

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Many atheists are of the opinion that you cannot be a good scientist if you are deluded by religious faith.

Let's put the kibosh to that opinion by relating the religious beliefs of eminent scientists. In the early history of science, great scientists—Galileo, Newton, Descartes, Pascal—all had a deep religious faith. But suppose the atheist responds, "That was then, this is now; we know more now to justify that believing in God is a delusion." My response to this canard is to cite the theistic credo of present-day eminent scientists, many of them Nobel Prize winners.

Most of these seem to be in the "hard" sciences, physics, and chemistry, rather than in biology or medical sciences. If any of you readers have ideas about the reason why physicists are more likely to be theists than biologists, I'd like to hear them.

Most of the information given below is drawn from "Cosmos, Bios and Theos" by Henry Margenau, a Yale mathematical physicist, and Roy Varghese. Not all of the scientists listed in the book believe in some specific religion or even a personal God. Many are deistic, believing in a Creator, but not necessarily a God immanent in the universe. Because of space limitations, not all of those interviewed will be listed here. 

For more scientists who are not atheists, see the Magis article, "How these Scientists Belief in God Helped them Understand Nature." Also, download our free pdf, "A Timeline of 13 Influential Scientists" below.

23 Famous Scientists Who Believe in God

repolitics wouldn't let me list some of the scientists for some reason.  I didn't see any bad words or reason.  It doesn't make sense.   You can read about the scientists at the link I gave.

 

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What they see is the observable universe - the light from the big bang that became visible only after the universe cooled enough to become transparent - 380,000 years after the bang.

You are making up an assumption or repeating an assumption that there was a big bang.

God could have created the universe ten or fifteen thousand years ago just the way you see it now.  There is nothing that disproves that.  You are assuming there was a big bang.  The Bible says God created it in a few days.  Nothing mentioned about a big bang.  Again that is fiction.

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What they see is the observable universe - the light from the big bang that became visible only after the universe cooled enough to become transparent - 380,000 years after the bang.

"

Professor Christian Anfinsen

(Nobel Prize for Chemistry, biochemistry of RNA, Johns Hopkins University): "I think that only an idi_t can be an atheist! We must admit that there exists an incomprehensible power or force with limitless foresight and knowledge that started the whole universe going in the first place."

23 Famous Scientists Who Believe in God

 

It seems it would not accept the word idi_t.   Funny it accepts countless other words and swearing.

Edited November 10, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Awww taximan is having a meltdown...poor puppy LOL

 

You're projecting again kid. 

You have meltdowns and you're embarrassed by that fact so you try to claim others do. LOL it's amusing but no. 

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

HA HA HA 

 

I accept your traditional admission of defeat  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

What do you think produced it's afterglow - the cosmic microwave background that astronomers can see and study?

You can see it for yourself on an old TV - it's the snow or static you see between channels.

Can you see God?

Well.... actually we don't know that there was a big bang. And there are many philosophies or theories that suggest otherwise. We do know that at some point there was a massive faster than light expansion from what appears to be a very highly condensed and dense area which was quite small and that that expansion continued.

But when we try and work it backwards our math breaks down and the fabric of the universe and all science collapses just before we get to that event.  

So we don't know if it was a big bang exploding from some species of singular point, or if in fact our universe was the continuation of some other event or exactly what the hell happened.

Well I don't believe it for a moment, it is quite possible that a guy like being somehow created the circumstances who are by the event occurred and it really wasn't a big bang as much as a simple release.

There's actually some pretty cool theories about what came before the Big Bang so to speak

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Whatever astronomers observe, that's the way God created it.  Everything they say about it could be changed in the future because it is really just a guessing game.

There's a certain amount of guesswork alright it's part of the process of finding the evidence.

54 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It proves that God's power is infinite.

It proves that science is powerful enough to have pushed God outside the universe where he can't be seen.

God can't be observed so you're just guessing

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Once again i realize i've lost an argument so badly that misrepresenting what people said is my only defense. Otherwise i can't sleep tonight!!

Yes, and i believe you, 

[eyeball]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Yes, and i believe you, 

I was lying 😁

[ExFlyer]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I accept your traditional admission of defeat  

My admission of defeat???

Seems it was you that just said there will be no election contrary of your constant whining about liberals won't last  LOL

And MP's departuing the cons party.

And PP Le Pew is losing grip on his party.

Seems the admission of defeat is all on you LOL

HA HA HA

 

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

It proves that science is powerful enough to have pushed God outside the universe where he can't be seen.

The King James Bible teaches us that God is omnipresent.  He is a Spirit and is present everywhere.  He is not part of the material universe.  He created it.   That is orthodox Biblical belief.

Science is just a human pursuit.  It is not a god.  Don't fall into the trap of thinking science is the be all and end all.  That won't be any benefit.  Science has a place in the life.  We learn things about how many things work, but there are some things science cannot tell you.

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

God can't be observed so you're just guessing

You can't observe God as a material being because He is a Spirit as I said, .  Spirits are not material beings.  However, we can observe God's creation all around us and we can learn a lot about God in the Bible. 

God knows our thoughts and ways.  There is nothing that God cannot do or know.  He will judge the wicked and reward those who became his sons and daughters through faith in Jesus Christ, His Son.

There is no guessing about many things about God because we have his written revelation which he gave man, in English, the King James Bible.  The Bible tells us some of the characteristics of God.  The Bible says "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."   Psalm 14:1 KJV  

Edited November 10, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

I was lying 😁

LOL i believe you're lying now  

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

My admission of defeat???

 

 

Yes , the ha ha ha thing is what you do when you know you've lost an argument (yet again) and you don't know what to say but you don't want to admit it directly. 

You have a few 'tells' along those lines.  It's how you emotionally cope, you feel (correctly) that everyone's laughing at you so you try to laugh yourself in perhaps the cheesiest way possible.  It's painfully obvious. You're closer to crying than laughing 

honestly kid, you couldn't possibly think we wouldn't notice.?

As to the conservatives, i literally just made a 'bet' with someone saying the conservatives WOULD most likely win before 2030 (the next fixed election).  Soooooo.... yeah.  You're having a melt down and you're admitting defeat and crying about it. 

This is how we know you're more like 15, not an adult. 

[ExFlyer]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yes , the ha ha ha thing is what you do when you know you've lost an argument ...

You have a few 'tells' along those lines.  I..

As to the conservatives, i literally just made a 'bet' with someone saying the conservatives WOULD most likely win before 2030 (...

...

HA HA HA

I never lost the argument  LOL

Says the guy that insisted the Liberals would have to hold an election after the budget...well, you failed once again LOSER.

Says the guy that has his man ways behind in polls of who would be the best Prime Minster.   https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/carney-seen-best-leader-represent-canada-navigate-tough-economic-times

So yes, you are the one that is defeated.

You are the one constantly praising PP LePew and here his MP's are either defecting or resigning LOL.  

Another defeat of your position LOL

You are a LOSER, along with PP LePew, the Leader of LOSERS LOL.   

And now your are looking forward to 2030??? LOL

Your party will never win unless you dump that LOSER... PP LePew

All your predictions have failed....

So yeah... you have admitted defeat LOL

Edited November 10, 2025 by ExFlyer

[blackbird]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

What they see is the observable universe - the light from the big bang

Nope.  They only see light and measure radiation that arrives on earth or in a space telescope.  That doesn't tell them it came from a "big bang".  They can only speculate on where it came from.  

Light and radiation that arrives on earth doesn't say where it came from.  You seem to think they can know everything from some radiation that arrives on earth.  All they know is it is radiation from somewhere out there in space.   Simple logic.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Spirits are not material beings.

That's right, they're fictitious at best and a psychotic delusion at worst. An inability to distinguish what is real from fantasy is one thing, but a determined unwillingness to is another - in a word it's inappropriate.

When your thoughts don't match what your senses tell you your actions will be based on false information. This can have deadly results, as in the case of someone who turns to prayer to cure their cancer instead of science.  It happens all the time. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Scale this up to societal and national level and you can see the same inappropriate actions and results in the face of things like a climate crisis or an epidemic.

[eyeball]

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL i believe you're lying now  

Sure kid. You couldn't distinguish between shit and Shinola if your life depended on it.

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

HA HA HA

 

I accept your admission of defeat  

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure kid. You couldn't distinguish between shit and Shinola if your life depended on it.

LOL  well that was certainly mature   Oh, i'm writhing in the grip of your unassailable logic  

I can always tell when you're getting frustrated, don't get mad at me just because you're feeling a little stupid  

[Legato]

51 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Says the guy that insisted the Liberals would have to hold an election after the budget...well, you failed once again LOSER.

 

Heh bumblefreak you do realise that the budget has yet to be voted on, November 17th.

                                                                                                                                                    Place blood spot here->           

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That's right, they're fictitious at best and a psychotic delusion at worst. An inability to distinguish what is real from fantasy is one thing, but a determined unwillingness to is another - in a word it's inappropriate.

When your thoughts don't match what your senses tell you your actions will be based on false information. This can have deadly results, as in the case of someone who turns to prayer to cure their cancer instead of science.  It happens all the time. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Scale this up to societal and national level and you can see the same inappropriate actions and results in the face of things like a climate crisis or an epidemic.

All Christians I've met believe in medical care and real science.  You have been fed false information or been lied to by Demons.