Potential for the Liberal government to fall in a matter of weeks.

[blackbird]

The King James Bible offers truth and life for eternity for those who listen and are ordaind to believe it.  Many people are suffering from addictions and other things.  God has given man a lifeline in Jesus Christ.

[CdnFox]

On 10/22/2025 at 10:25 AM, blackbird said:

The King James Bible offers truth and life for eternity for those who listen and are ordaind to believe it.  Many people are suffering from addictions and other things.  God has given man a lifeline in Jesus Christ.

Keep your imaginary friend and fanfiction out of the political discussions please

[SpankyMcFarland]

Do the Tories really want to force Canadians into another election? That may not be universally welcomed. 

[Barquentine]

7 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Do the Tories really want to force Canadians into another election? That may not be universally welcomed.

But their intellectually-challenged leader might mis-read the room again.

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Do the Tories really want to force Canadians into another election? That may not be universally welcomed. 

Well here's the thing. There's no doubt in my mind that the CPC does not want to go to an election right now, but they can't be seen to be running scared either

And I don't think they will be the ones to wear it if it happens. It is the job of the government in a minority government to work with other parties to make sure their budgets get passed. If they fail it generally lands on the government not the other parties as being at fault.

Would very much look like a failure of Carney's and I suspect the liberals would wear it more than anyone. The other three parties would be unanimous in saying the liberals deliberately sabotage things in order to try and win the majority that they missed 6 months ago and they're just trying to make that happen before their failures become apparent.

 

I think if an election happened the liberals would wear it and they would probably come back with a much reduced minority government

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

But their intellectually-challenged leader might mis-read the room again.

It is you who is misreading the room young one   

If an election happens this fast and it took all three opposition parties to vote the government down then the liberals will be the ones who wear it. In a minority government they are expected to make their budget palatable to at least one other party.

[taxme]

On 10/21/2025 at 4:54 PM, blackbird said:

Both the Conservatives and the Bloc are warning the government that they have certain demands for the Liberal's budget coming out in early November.  If these demands are not met, there is a possibility that the budget would be defeated which means the government falls and an election must be held.

This could be good news if the Conservatives win.  The Conservatives may abandon the no more pipelines law, the tanker ban, and other things that are keeping Canada from building a pipeline to the BC north coast and from becoming an energy superpower.  More pipelines could bring in billions of dollars to help fight the federal deficit and have more money for various government priorities.  It could create thousands of jobs for Canadians.  Carney is not willing to do it.  Carney could save his government if he would agree to some central Conservative demands such as making Canada an energy superpower and keeping the deficit down, but I don't see any sign of it happening.

Liberals 'worry' over potential election after Bloc, Conservative budget demands

 

The Bloc won't assist the conservatives in trying to bring the lieberal government down. Even thought eh Bloc does not like the lieberals, they would prefer to have a lieberal rather than a conservative government in power. I would love to see it happen that could end the lieberal government but i have my doubts about that ever happening of having a November election. Remember that the Bloc is just as socialist as the liberals are. But i guess that we must wait and see what happens in the fall. Maybe November Alberta may be gone by then. Hey, we never know, eh? I could live with it. 😇

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

The Bloc won't assist the conservatives in trying to bring the lieberal government down.

I think I heard the Bloc does have some demands of the Liberal government as a condition of their support.  So we will see what happens.

The Conservatives are demanding that the deficit not be above 42 billion dollars.  But I think the Liberals are planning to go way above that deficit.  So I'm not sure how that can be settled.

The Liberals have a number of items on their agenda that require billions of dollars more than the Cons will agree to.  

Carney needs to get his act together on making Canada an energy superpower, but I think that goes against his globalist climate change agenda.  He doesn't seem to realize he is in a minority parliament position and should be willing to sit down with the opposition leader and negotiate something that will appeal to the Conservatives such as making Canada an energy superpower. That would require an oil pipeline to the BC northcoast. 

Also, Conservatives want to see some realistic plans to bring the cost of living under control and see real house construction happen.

The only one in a position to approve that is Carney.  But he seems unwilling to bend.  I guess he would rather take a chance on another election, which seems kind of risky for the Liberals.  Not a good strategy. 

Edited October 25, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

On 10/21/2025 at 7:54 PM, blackbird said:

Both the Conservatives and the Bloc are warning the government that they have certain demands for the Liberal's budget coming out in early November.  If these demands are not met, there is a possibility that the budget would be defeated which means the government falls and an election must be held.

This could be good news if the Conservatives win.  The Conservatives may abandon the no more pipelines law, the tanker ban, and other things that are keeping Canada from building a pipeline to the BC north coast and from becoming an energy superpower.  More pipelines could bring in billions of dollars to help fight the federal deficit and have more money for various government priorities.  It could create thousands of jobs for Canadians.  Carney is not willing to do it.  Carney could save his government if he would agree to some central Conservative demands such as making Canada an energy superpower and keeping the deficit down, but I don't see any sign of it happening.

Liberals 'worry' over potential election after Bloc, Conservative budget demands

 

When you buy gasoline for your vehicle, it's an expense—not income. And the tax collected to fight climate change is also an expense. So with oil, you're not making money, you're just losing it.

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

When you buy gasoline for your vehicle, it's an expense—not income. And the tax collected to fight climate change is also an expense. So with oil, you're not making money, you're just losing it.

When you buy gas you pay tax. and that tax is income for the gov't. 

And the rest goes to pay the people who dug up the oil and THEY pay tax on their income.

ANd people use that gas the bought to go to their jobs and live their lives, which benefits the economy. 

 

More oil and gas is VERY good for us

[taxme]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

I think I heard the Bloc does have some demands of the Liberal government as a condition of their support.  So we will see what happens.

The Conservatives are demanding that the deficit not be above 42 billion dollars.  But I think the Liberals are planning to go way above that deficit.  So I'm not sure how that can be settled.

The Liberals have a number of items on their agenda that require billions of dollars more than the Cons will agree to.  

Carney needs to get his act together on making Canada an energy superpower, but I think that goes against his globalist climate change agenda.  He doesn't seem to realize he is in a minority parliament position and should be willing to sit down with the opposition leader and negotiate something that will appeal to the Conservatives such as making Canada an energy superpower. That would require an oil pipeline to the BC northcoast. 

Also, Conservatives want to see some realistic plans to bring the cost of living under control and see real house construction happen.

The only one in a position to approve that is Carney.  But he seems unwilling to bend.  I guess he would rather take a chance on another election, which seems kind of risky for the Liberals.  Not a good strategy. 

You are aware that the lieberals are borrowing money from the globalist banksters to give to other countries, right. While we have poverty growing in Canada, this imbecile is giving borrowed money away like candy. 

Carnage will not do a bloody thing for Canada and Canadians. Carnage despised Canada and Canadians. All that imbecile is concerned about is his Marxist globalist climate change agenda, where there is no real climate crisis at all. 

Canada will never become an energy superpower because Carnage does not want that to happen. 

Right now, the conservatives should win the next election like they were supposed to have done in the last election. At the time, most Canadians despised the lieberals for ten years of watching Canada go down the tubes. Yet, somehow once Carnage got in, they went back to the lieberals, and now we have Carnage(Turdeau)#2. 

All Carnage has to do is offer old people in Canada more money and they will give him their vote. I do not really believe that most Canadians give a dam about Canada and appear to be quite clueless as to what is really going on in Canada. 

Conservatives need to start acting like Trump and start offering Canadians more freedom, less taxes and less government. The conservatives can take a page from Trumps book and start to offer things like getting rid of the GST, cut taxes on tips, cut taxes on overtime, and no more taxes on the old age pension.

The conservatives can get that money back by cutting foreign aid, cutting immigration and all of the benefits that new immigrants receive for free. And it is also time to downsize the bureaucracy by at least 50% for starters. Cutting those alone could make up for the loss of the hundreds of billions and should make Canada great again. The conservatives can make Canada great again, but all it needs is the will power. Do the conservatives have that will power? Somehow i do not believe that they have that will power. I hope that i am wrong. 

For now, i am of the opinion that let Canada die and go RIP. Just my conservative opinion of course. What say you? 😇

[Gaétan]

On 10/24/2025 at 10:34 PM, CdnFox said:

When you buy gas you pay tax. and that tax is income for the gov't. 

And the rest goes to pay the people who dug up the oil and THEY pay tax on their income.

ANd people use that gas the bought to go to their jobs and live their lives, which benefits the economy. 

 

More oil and gas is VERY good for us

All studies indicate that, in fact, oil exploitation represents a cost for the population.

FALSH_MEM_BC_24_ 0123.PDF

bp-examining-the-crude-details-131118-fr.pdf

2020CLFAD027_GAB-LEYBA.pdf

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

All studies indicate that, in fact, oil exploitation represents a cost for the population.

FALSH_MEM_BC_24_ 0123.PDF

bp-examining-the-crude-details-131118-fr.pdf

2020CLFAD027_GAB-LEYBA.pdf

The first one my anti virus says is bad news and won't let me get to it, 

the second two are not studies. One is just propaganda and the next is essentially an opinion piece. 

Swing and a miss

[Gaétan]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The first one my anti virus says is bad news and won't let me get to it, 

the second two are not studies. One is just propaganda and the next is essentially an opinion piece. 

Swing and a miss

Your favorite is a cruel man who supports the genocide of Palestinians, and you say buying gas costs nothing?

[Shady]

21 hours ago, Gaétan said:

All studies indicate that, in fact, oil exploitation represents a cost for the population.

FALSH_MEM_BC_24_ 0123.PDF

bp-examining-the-crude-details-131118-fr.pdf

2020CLFAD027_GAB-LEYBA.pdf

Complete nonsense.  The oil and gas industry generates billions of dollars in revenue.  

8 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Your favorite is a cruel man who supports the genocide of Palestinians, and you say buying gas costs nothing?

I don’t give a crap about some pseudo genocide on the other side of the world.  I care about Canada and good policy.  You should too.

[Goddess]

On 10/22/2025 at 6:42 AM, Venandi said:

It's PPC only now and I'll happily split the conservative vote until the message resonates. In the mean time, the country can groan under the liberals (with my blessings) until it screams Uncle, passes PNR and/or Coriolis Effect tightens the swirl of water going down the drain to a raging torrent.

Well deserved IMO, I've concluded that experience is the only teacher that will resonate here. Besides, I'm kind of curious to see how much is enough for the average person, or in this case, how much is too much.

Canadians will vote the Libs in again - majority or minority gov't, it won't matter.  A slim majority of Canadian voters will not learn until their children are in bread lines, dying in hospital hallways or too broke and jobless to survive on their own.  We will be Venezuela.

I'm kind of with you - if that's what it's going to take, so be it.

But voting PPC or NDP is nothing but a vote for the Liberals.  Especially if you vote NDP, they're just Libs in disguise.  They will support anything and everything Libs do to us in exchange for scraps.  They have no long-term vision for Canada other than turning it into a total welfare state.

Too many Canadians think socialism, the little sister of communism, is totally gonna work this time. 🙄

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Complete nonsense.  The oil and gas industry generates billions of dollars in revenue.  

I don’t give a crap about some pseudo genocide on the other side of the world.  I care about Canada and good policy.  You should too.

If the oil industry generates revenue, why does it need billions in subsidies? Their profits go to the shareholders, but their expenses fall on us.

Do you think someone who supports the perpetrators of a genocide would make a good Prime Minister for Canada?

[blackbird]

49 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

f the oil industry generates revenue, why does it need billions in subsidies?

The oil industry does receive significant financial support from the government, primarily in the form of tax breaks and deductions rather than direct subsidies.

In Canada, the oil and gas industry received approximately $29.6 billion in direct subsidies and financing in 2024, which includes tax breaks and other financial incentives. 

In the U.S., estimates suggest that the fossil fuel industry benefits from an estimated $760 billion annually through subsidies, tax breaks, and unpriced externalities. These financial contributions allow oil companies to recover costs related to production and infrastructure, contributing billions in taxes annualy"

They receive some subsidies but most of it is in the form of tax breaks on the costs of producing oil or gas.  The reason is to help the industry succeed and compete with other oil producing nations in the world.  If there was no assistance or tax breaks for oil companies, they would simply go somewhere else in the world to invest and Canada would lose billions of dollars and thousands of jobs.  That's simply how the world works.  Investors go where they can make money.

In return Canadians receive thousands of high paying jobs and billions of dollars in royalties and taxes paid to the governments.  All that money goes toward paying for all the services such as health care, public education for children, etc. that Canadians receive.

 

Edited October 29, 2025 by blackbird

[Shady]

57 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

If the oil industry generates revenue, why does it need billions in subsidies? Their profits go to the shareholders, but their expenses fall on us.

Do you think someone who supports the perpetrators of a genocide would make a good Prime Minister for Canada?

Which subsidies?

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Your favorite is a cruel man who supports the genocide of Palestinians, and you say buying gas costs nothing?

You post bullshit links and somehow that says I favor someone?  

Stop sniffing glue, it's rotting your brain 

Edited October 29, 2025 by CdnFox

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Which subsidies?

The oil industry represents nothing but expenses for the people.

Subventions à l’industrie pétrolière | Le Canada (un peu) moins fou | La Presse

 

[Shady]

22 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The oil industry represents nothing but expenses for the people.

Subventions à l’industrie pétrolière | Le Canada (un peu) moins fou | La Presse

 

Complete nonsense.  Got something in English?  Please specify which subsidies you’re referring to.

[Shady]

28 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The oil industry represents nothing but expenses for the people.

Subventions à l’industrie pétrolière | Le Canada (un peu) moins fou | La Presse

 

People like you are either dumb or liars.

 

[Gaétan]

21 minutes ago, Shady said:

Complete nonsense.  Got something in English?  Please specify which subsidies you’re referring to.

Past Last Call: G20 public finance institutions are still bankrolling fossil fuels - Oil Change International

[Gaétan]

42 minutes ago, Shady said:

People like you are either dumb or liars.

 

Ya but this revenue inevitably comes out of our pockets one way or another. Their revenue is an expense for us. You pay for the gas, you pay for the subsidies, you pay the taxes on the product, you pay for the damage caused by pollution—you just keep paying.

Edited October 29, 2025 by Gaétan

[Shady]

41 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Past Last Call: G20 public finance institutions are still bankrolling fossil fuels - Oil Change International

Just tell me which subsidies in Canada you're referring to.