Crown seeking 7 years for Tamara Lich

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Only because you did everything you could do avoid reading or acknowledging the large scale and diverse academic and official studies, from all over the world, consistently showing higher vaccination correlated with lower rates of severe COVID outcomes/deaths.  Instead, you cherry-picked the odd dissenter and/or quack and pretended they were the pre-eminent experts.  

Right, which is why higher education is correlated with higher vaccination rates, and why the most educated among us on the topic (the doctors) were widely and wildly in favor of the vaccine.  🙃  

Did the vax "stop the spread" as we were told it would? No. In fact, The Rona continued to ravage the population until...it finally burnt out due to natural immunity.

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101/rr-0

In the heat of the vax push, and because I was being forced to get vaxed by work, I asked my doctor about it. His reply was luke warm. 

"The vaccine is the directed remedy and that's all I can say."

And that's all I needed to hear. The government literally held their credentials over the heads of doctors.

So you can take your "educated" chickenshit and choke on it, for all I care. The truth is, those vaccines did not "stop the spread" and produced countless bad side-effects. 

[Venandi]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not really a 'vaccine'. 

The definition was modified in order to capture it...

Answers to biology based questions were Phd level but the questions themselves certainly weren't.  Spike protein toxicity was an issue early on and the presence of lipid nanoparticles begged questions about the distribution and inflammation effects that we now know were well worth asking about in advance.

People either get that or they don't and it's a good place to start any discussion... if they don't get it at that level I move on and let them think what they want.

Here's another one:

The definition of domestic terrorism doesn't cover the convoy actions, they actually had military officers (retired I think) to assist with CCC and they did that for good reason... it worked brilliantly. If people are unable or unwilling to compare observed actions with legal definitions I move on. 

The government campaign was an easily anticipated information management exercise and the Nazi flag is case study in point. People citing that should review the details: things like viewing time, position and angle for the pictures taken, who it was that actually took the picture and who it was that demanded the flag be removed. 

Some casual acquaintances (whose opinions I ignore) where fond of telling me exactly what was going on in the locations I was deployed to... those sentiments were about as valuable as many of the ones being expressed here. It used to bug me a bit but mostly I just nod sagely and let them enjoy the moment now. Doing that gets easier with practice... then again there would be little in the way of entertainment here if everybody adopted that as an SOP. 

 

 

Edited July 23, 2025 by Venandi

[Shady]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

I was never asked to provide a vaccine passport at my place of work. 

I still see no cite. 

I was.  It was required to do many things.  Show us your papers!!!!

14 hours ago, Barquentine said:

During Covid construction went on. No lockdown for us. I worked with an anti vaxxer. Got all his info off social media and figured it was some kind o conspiracy. One day he somehow stepped on a nail which punctured his workboot and jabbed his sole. Went straight to Emerg and got a Tetanus shot, no questions asked. Wouldn't get a Covid vaccine for something that had killed 30,000 Canadians in a year, but no problem getting the Tetanus vaccine for something that kills less than 1 Canadian a year. Go figure!

I don’t blame him.  The average age of a covid death was 80+ years old, which is older than life expectancy.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

I was never asked to provide a vaccine passport at my place of work. 

Just because it never happened to you means that it never happened to anyone else?

You don't think that our gov't gave employers the right to lay off unvaxed workers, and stipulated that those workers would be ineligible for CERB and EI?

What point are you trying to make now, child?

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I still see no cite. 

I see no reason to take you seriously. 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Just because it never happened to you means that it never happened to anyone else?

You don't think that our gov't gave employers the right to lay off unvaxed workers, and stipulated that those workers would be ineligible for CERB and EI?

What point are you trying to make now, child?

I also would like a cite for that. 

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I see no reason to take you seriously. 

Ditto. 

[WestCanMan]

57 minutes ago, Venandi said:

The definition was modified in order to capture it...

Leftists are constantly changing the meaning of words to suit their narratives.

Now we are supposed to believe that even the meaning of the words "man" and "woman" have changed, just so that leftist men can compete against women and go into the little girls' bathrooms. 

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Answers to biology based questions were Phd level but the questions themselves certainly weren't.  Spike protein toxicity was an issue early on and the presence of lipid nanoparticles begged questions about the distribution and inflammation effects that we now know were well worth asking about in advance.

People either get that or they don't and it's a good place to start any discussion... if they don't get it at that level I move on and let them think what they want.

Whether or not the jabs actually caused injuries isn't even where the line in the sand needed to be drawn, for the purpose of determining whether or not the mandates were a ridiculous abuse of power and a violation of people's human rights. It's whether or not people needed the medication and whether or not the possibility of vax-injuries existed. Period

1. We knew since late spring of 2020 that children and healthy young adults were at no risk from covid
2. We knew from the Israeli ICU data that the jabs were not preventing the spread, or even preventing ICU visits, and that came long before we ever got around to having enough jabs stockpiled to start giving them to people who didn't want them

Based on the above two facts, there was never a single valid reason for coercing people to take the jab if they didn't want it, and no reason whatsoever to jab children. It didn't protect society at large, some of those people had nothing to gain from it, and as with any new medication there was always the risk that there could be serious side-effects in the short-term, long-term, etc.

There have been vaccines whose side-effects weren't realized for decades. A drug known as DES was prescribed to women for 30 years before they found out about its side effects, and then they found out that the women's daughters were also affected by it (lowered fertility). We might still be finding out about new pseudovax side-effects twenty years from now, if people are even allowed to tell the truth anymore by then. 

Any reasonable man, when deciding whether or not to take a certain medication would ask themselves: do I need it? Does it provide any value at all to my community in terms of stopping the spread of a disease? What are the known side-effects? Is it possible that there are side effects that we don't know about?

For the people in the covid death demographic, I 100% understand that it was worth a shot for them. They felt like they needed protection and side-effects ten years down the road mean nothing to an 85-yr-old. It was a no-brainer for them to take it when the gov't was saying that they'd die without it. But it was a revolting act of cowardice for the @Boges, @eyeballs and @ExFlyers of the world to ask younger generations to vax-up for them: if you think your jab works then take it and shut up about it. I'd never ask my son to take an injection that he doesn't need and which may cause him harm, just to protect me. And I'd be upset with him if he did it. There's no science behind "I can't get sick now because I'm protected by the jab, but the unvaxed can get covid and their covid will kill me". It was preposterous and stupid from the very first second. Vax-Fascists are the most vile and worthless people on the planet.

 

The thing that you/we have to be careful of, when you're a layman or only partly educated on a topic, is that the people who create false narratives like the "You need this proven-safe-and-effective-vax, and your kids need it, or you're at serious risk of death or spreading covid to other people who will die from your infection", also pump out straw-man disinformation (surely there's a better name for that lol) to fool skeptics into citing it and ending up looking foolish, which then lends credibility to the creators' false narratives. 

Eg, I heard stories about vaccine shedding (the jabbed somehow spread their own vaccination like a virus), graphene inside of the jabs, etc, which all sound scary and have varying degrees of plausibility/malice, but which sound far-fetched and are not likely to be true. Whether they are or not, I will never know for sure, because we live in the age of disinformation.

But it doesn't matter. 

For me, for my argument to be solid, it doesn't matter if there are any side-effects at all. All that matters is that the possibility of side-effects was extremely real, and the need for the jabs was 100% proven to be non-existent for some people, so why should they take the risk? Necessity-minus-risk should be a positive number, or it's a 'no". Zero necessity plus 1% risk??? No thanks. 

If you wear a seatbelt in your car, good for you, it makes you safer, but if you wear one riding a bike then you can't jump off if you wipe out, so why wear it? Right? If it provides no value, and there's potential for it to cause harm, why do it? Why force someone else to do it? 

The vax mandates were a blight on democracy. Period. Side-effects or no. 

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Here's another one:

The definition of domestic terrorism doesn't cover the convoy actions, they actually had military officers (retired I think) to assist with CCC and they did that for good reason... it worked brilliantly. If people are unable or unwilling to compare observed actions with legal definitions I move on. 

They only use that word because conservatives rightly considered BLM to be a terrorist group, based on the fact that they were inciting and committing acts of extreme violence to further their own political agendas, which had nothing to do with the deaths of Floyd and Brown.   

Lefties: "They sed tararist and it huwted my feewings, so im gonna call them tararists too now!"

Yeah, "bouncy castle terrorists", to be exact.

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The government campaign was an easily anticipated information management exercise and the Nazi flag is case study in point. People citing that should review the details: things like viewing time, position and angle for the pictures taken, who it was that actually took the picture and who it was that demanded the flag be removed. 

People who can't see the parallels between the Trudeau gov't and the Hitler gov't have their heads up their asses. 

I'm pretty sure that most Germans felt like they'd never be considered one of the most evil groups in history when they went along with Hitler up to 1929, or 1933, or 1935, or 1937, whatever the case may be, but after Kristallnacht, for gawd's sake, you gotta take a step back and reflect. 

We got right up to the point of Kristallnacht here, and Canadians refuse to even consider it. We had the gesundheitspass, the freezing of bank accounts, the ostracization of a group based on an arbitrary and bogus health classification, our PM was using vile hate speech against the unvaxed (very often racists and misogynists), our PM asked Canadians if action needed to be taken against the unvaxed (should we tolerate them?), there were concentration camps created (at first the existence of the camps was denied, then they were later called "voluntary quarantine facilities" lol, like "I have a headache, can you ship me to the Yukon in a cattle-car please?"), the police stole from Canadians, they gov't had Canadians snitching on each other, we had a digital version of book-burning here (social media giants were actively blocking verified information, such as the mere existence of a BSL4 lab in Wuhan), we had Goebbels-level propaganda hammered into us 24/7 by a highly corrupt MSM, etc. 

Canadians were tested to see what level of fascism we could be suckered into swallowing and some of these f-tards didn't stop at "hook, line and sinker". Eyeball and exflyer actually have the fishing rod poking out of their asses. 

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Some casual acquaintances (whose opinions I ignore) where fond of telling me exactly what was going on in the locations I was deployed to... those sentiments were about as valuable as many of the ones being expressed here. It used to bug me a bit but mostly I just nod sagely and let them enjoy the moment now. Doing that gets easier with practice... then again there would be little in the way of entertainment here if everybody adopted that as an SOP. 

I was in the military too. One of the things that you learn on Day 1 is how to let insults roll off of you like water off a duck's back. 

I couldn't really give a sh1t how adamant the tards are about the validity their farcical propaganda, or how cool they think they sound when they try to mock and sealion, I simply state Health Canada's own stats and leave them with that. 

Their insults and their childish wrath have no effect on me. I will keep telling the truth regardless of how many t4rds wanna fling poop at me.  

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

I also would like a cite for that. 

Ditto. 

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/1833649/dont-expect-ei-if-you-lose-your-job-for-not-being-vaccinated-minister-says

FYI you're not just "sealioning", you're showing how much of a dishonest f-tard you are. 

Everyone in Canada knew what's on that page, and for someone as politically active as yourself, it's 100% certain that you were exposed to this information. 

 

It's ironic that you would place a higher burden of proof on me for merely saying that "our gov't wouldn't give people EI or CERB if they were laid-off for not vaxing", than you would for the gov't forcing people to take the jab. Because if you woulda looked around, you'd know that the vax wasn't slowing the spread, and that healthy young people did not need it at all. 

Our gov't never even pretended that "kids needed the jab", they just said "it's available at the kiddie age", and let people assume that they needed it, due to the massive propaganda barrage that they rained down on them.  

 

You're a truly evil f-wit, Boges. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

The average age of a covid death was 80+ years old, which is older than life expectancy.

👌

Only about 4% of Canadians are 80+, and they accounted for over 60% of covid deaths. 

Still, age wasn't the main contributing factor in covid deaths, it was underlying health conditions (which the elderly are far more likely to have). 

Only about 90% of covid deaths were among people 70+, but 97% of covid deaths were among people with serious underlying health conditions, and on avg, they had more than one of them. 

[ExFlyer]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Leftists are cBut it was a revolting act of cowardice for the @Boges, @eyeballs and @ExFlyers of the world to ask younger generations to vax-up for them:.

Their insults and their childish wrath have no effect on me. I will keep telling the truth regardless of how many t4rds wanna fling poop at me.  

Lets get something straight and right.

No one (especially me) every asked younger generations or any generation to get vaxxed up.

I always said it was your choice and that of your employer. I could not care less if you got vaxxed or not

Your employer has more than you to think about or worry about. He has all the employees to be concerned about and if a person went to work unvaxxed and spread covid around, he would be liable so, they made decision based on their liability. 

If "insults and their childish wrath have no effect on me" then get over it....most people have.

Oh and your "truth" is only what fits your narrative. The world does not agree with "your truth" LOL 

In the US alone "estimate that COVID-19 vaccination was associated with over 8 million fewer confirmed cases, over 120 thousand fewer deaths, and 700 thousand fewer hospitalizations during the first six months of the campaign." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10129007/

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Your employer has more than you to think about or worry about. He has all the employees to be concerned about and if a person went to work unvaxxed and spread covid around, he would be liable so, they made decision based on their liability. 

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It has been assumed that the COVID-19 vaccination reduces the risk of transmission to others. Results during the delta predominance show that the viral load in the vaccinated population is not consistently lower compared to the unvaccinated, and during the omicron predominance, the viral load was even somewhat higher. Levels of infectious SARS-CoV-2 were partly lower in the vaccinated population. Viral loads were mostly lower in re-infections compared to breakthrough infections. Viral clearance including the detection of infectious virus has mostly been described to be faster in the vaccinated population suggesting a shorter duration as a possible source for transmission. The epidemiological relevance of this finding remains uncertain. Approximately half of the transmission studies found lower secondary attack rates from the fully vaccinated population, but the results are probably best explained by the vaccination status of the contact population. Public health data from the UK show that the number of COVID-19 cases is higher among the fully vaccinated and boosted population who might be possible sources, in contrast to lower case numbers within the first three months among the vaccinated obtained in phase 3 trials on symptomatic cases. Overall, there is no convincing evidence that the COVID-19 vaccination significantly reduces the risk to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, Barquentine said:

During Covid construction went on. No lockdown for us. I worked with an anti vaxxer. Got all his info off social media and figured it was some kind o conspiracy. One day he somehow stepped on a nail which punctured his workboot and jabbed his sole. Went straight to Emerg and got a Tetanus shot, no questions asked. Wouldn't get a Covid vaccine for something that had killed 30,000 Canadians in a year, but no problem getting the Tetanus vaccine for something that kills less than 1 Canadian a year. Go figure!

OMG you dummy 😂.

FYI tetanus has grievous effects, even for healthy people, and the tetanus shot is proven to be highly effective & has been given for decades with serious side effects. 

He would have to be dumber than you to not get it.

How long was the "covid vaccine" out on that day, dummy? 6 months? A single year? 

So, in summary, ON THAT DAY:

1. he correctly identified the fact that he didn't need a covid shot
2. he correctly assumed that there may be serious side-effects from the covid jab that were yet to be determined
3. he was probably aware of the laundry-list of vaccine side effects at that point, seeing as he was already eligible and serious ide-effects were widely known albeit ignored by the MSM after a month or so of young people qualifying for the jab
4. he was probably aware that the covid jab wasn't preventing illness, or even death at that point
5. he correctly chose to take the tetanus shot, while knowing that it was safe and effective and that he probably needed it to prevent serious injury

He was bang-on, dummy. And here you are, YEARS LATER, still without the foggiest f'n clue that he's that much smarter than you are 😂 

What's your next story, Barqy-Barq? "He sed thah 8 plus 8 is 16 😂. Wut a dummee! He prolly got that offa sushul meedea too 😆"

Edited July 23, 2025 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

In the heat of the vax push, and because I was being forced to get vaxed by work, I asked my doctor about it. His reply was luke warm. 

"The vaccine is the directed remedy and that's all I can say."

And that's all I needed to hear. The government literally held their credentials over the heads of doctors.

That's true, but it's much worse than just that.

Drs were given immunity from prosecution for any injuries or harm suffered from the vax, or from prescribing it and then having the vax fail his patients. 

They were wide open to liability for any other advice that they gave in the event that the patient suffered in any way. 

So he could say "take the jab", and you could die from the jab the next day, and nothing would happen. Or you could get sick and die from covid three months later and again, nothing would happen. But if he advised you to take any action aside from taking the jab, and then you had any serious issues, he was not only in legal trouble, he was "in legal trouble and his own medical standards board was against him". He'd probably even be ridiculed in the mainstream media, like Dr Didier Raoult and other non-conformists were.  

Your doctor just told you the truth... "The vaccine is the directed remedy". Brilliant. He can't be sued for telling you the absolute truth, and he managed to do it without putting his own credibility on the line or inviting debate (not from you specifically, but in general, as in with an elevator speech).

TBH, the poor guy was probably so sick of the rabid covid jab debate that he was considering running off to join the circus as a clown. 

He probably also had people coming to him begging to get the jab early, lying about their health status so that they could jump the queue, offering him money to get it for them, etc. 

Drs: "I miss the good ol' days when I just had to look at haemorrhoids and check prostates." 😆

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Did the vax "stop the spread" as we were told it would? No. In fact, The Rona continued to ravage the population until...it finally burnt out due to natural immunity.

Except all of this happened much slower, and the mortality and severe outcomes results were much worse, when vaccine rates were lower.  😑

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So you can take your "educated" chickenshit and choke on it, for all I care. The truth is, those vaccines did not "stop the spread" and produced countless bad side-effects. 

No, the vaccine produced few side effects, of which most were marginal, and the cases of severe problems were lottery-rare, despite all of the social media squawking you echoed. 

On the other hand, they saved millions of lives, and in places where you and your fellow ignorati were common, way more people died than necessary.  That's a fact.  Here you are, years later, still whining and about it.  

Edited July 23, 2025 by Moonbox

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

That's true, but it's much worse than just that.

Drs were given immunity from prosecution for any injuries or harm suffered from the vax, or from prescribing it and then having the vax fail his patients. 

They were wide open to liability for any other advice that they gave in the event that the patient suffered in any way. 

So he could say "take the jab", and you could die from the jab the next day, and nothing would happen. Or you could get sick and die from covid three months later and again, nothing would happen. But if he advised you to take any action aside from taking the jab, and then you had any serious issues, he was not only in legal trouble, he was "in legal trouble and his own medical standards board was against him". He'd probably even be ridiculed in the mainstream media, like Dr Didier Raoult and other non-conformists were.  

Your doctor just told you the truth... "The vaccine is the directed remedy". Brilliant. He can't be sued for telling you the absolute truth, and he managed to do it without putting his own credibility on the line or inviting debate (not from you specifically, but in general, as in with an elevator speech).

TBH, the poor guy was probably so sick of the rabid covid jab debate that he was considering running off to join the circus as a clown. 

He probably also had people coming to him begging to get the jab early, lying about their health status so that they could jump the queue, offering him money to get it for them, etc. 

Drs: "I miss the good ol' days when I just had to look at haemorrhoids and check prostates." 😆

The guy is the same age as me and has been my Dr. For as long as I've lived here. This year he's retiring. I am too.

I think we both have had it with the constant BS.

[Nationalist]

44 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Except all of this happened much slower, and the mortality and severe outcomes results were much worse, when vaccine rates were lower.  😑

No, the vaccine produced few side effects, of which most were marginal, and the cases of severe problems were lottery-rare, despite all of the social media squawking you echoed. 

On the other hand, they saved millions of lives, and in places where you and your fellow ignorati were common, way more people died than necessary.  That's a fact.  Here you are, years later, still whining and about it.  

It is? You have proof the vax had any positive influence?

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4471/rr-3

In 2020 people were already realizing that the info they were being sold about the vaccines, was bullshit. That we were being lied to. The info was buried by the news and the cdc. For that alone, Fauci deserves a cage. That Asian Health Canada biatch as well.

Then we began hearing that the Rona-death numbers were being pumped. Why? To scare the sh1t outta people, that's why. More fear...more jabs...more money. A distasteful tactic, to say the least. Gruesome. 

Then we began hearing of myocarditis attack mainly in the young...who we already knew were at little to risk...and what was the response? A push to get more kids vaccinated. Good Lord! We dove right to the bottom of the morality and sensibility scale on that one.

And for me the icing in the cake...even through the fog of intense TDS, and even though Brandon himself said he didn't trust a "Trump Vaccine", he pushed it like a fcking coke dealer. 

This was a gross travesty imposed on the global community by very low-minded people. And you...and your chained...I mean educated twits...

Choked it all down like a cheap whore.

Good on ya.

[Barquentine]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

• he correctly identified the fact that he didn't need a covid shot
• he correctly assumed that there may be serious side-effects from the covid jab that were yet to be determined
• he was probably aware of the laundry-list of vaccine side effects at that point, seeing as he was already eligible and serious ide-effects were widely known albeit ignored by the MSM after a month or so of young people qualifying for the jab
• he was probably aware that the covid jab wasn't preventing illness, or even death at that point
• he correctly chose to take the tetanus shot, while knowing that it was safe and effective and that he probably needed it to prevent serious injury

None of that is true. He wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. He'd just heard the covid vaccine was some kind of 'Conspiracy' and didn't realize the tetanus shot was a vaccine. If he'd read the Tetanus vaccine was 'bad' he would have refused that.

Anyway it's just an incident I found odd. Sure seems to have riled you up, though.

[WestCanMan]

48 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Except all of this happened much slower, and the mortality and severe outcomes results were much worse, when vaccine rates were lower.  😑  

You're 100% guessing f-tard. And I know this because you are 100% wrong.

The vax did not slow the spread at all, as evidenced by something called facts. Call it stats if you want. Actual data. The truth. Or just something aside from "left4rd talking points", which is your only source of "info". 

Hospitalizations:

I know that's probably Greek to you, but your mommy can explain for you that the blue mass above 2022 is much higher than the blue mass above 2020 and 2021.

The number of infections in 2022 dwarfed the previous years, as did the number of deaths, and the multi-vaxed led the charge in every category, including deaths. 

Honestly, the only excuse for over 10,000 multi-vaxed deaths in 2022 was "but there were so many more infections than in previous years". 

Look at the chart below, and think about how long there were any any 4x-vaxed people around at the time when they had so many deaths...

Not only that, but what season they were around for!

Almost no one died of covid in summer 2020 and summer 2022, and we only had 4x-vaxers from late spring through summer at the time of this graph:

Why were so many people dying of covid in the summer of 2022, when deaths were down in the dbl-digits for the first 2 years?

Almost 90% of the covid deaths on summer 2022 were m-vaxed. About 74.4% were either 3x or 4x-vaxed.

All of those people survived 2020 and 2021. None of them were vaxed in 2020. The number m-vaxed covid deaths in 2022 was higher than the total number of covid deaths in 2020 when zero people were vaxed, and covid was a novel virus, and all of the most susceptible people in Canada were still alive. 

Another thing: look at the # of hosps/deaths on that last chart:

• 56,000 unvaxed hosps and 11,000 deaths. That's roughly 1 in 5 Among the unvaxed, and that includes the "novel virus year"
• 3,000 4x-vaxed hosps and 1,000 deaths. 1 in 3 among the 4xers. 

 

I'm not even trying to make the case that the jabs "didn't work at all". Nor am I trying to make the case that "vaccines injured and killed people", which we clearly know they did.

I have made CRYSTAL CLEAR the case that:

1. the vax safety and efficacy projections that we were given were TOTAL GARBAGE
2. the vax mandates were UNETHICAL and UNSUPPORTED BY SCIENCE because we knew when the mandates started that 1) the vaccines weren't up to snuff and 2) healthy people under 70 had no need of them, and the benefit to society at large from jabbing them all was negligible. 

Class dismissed, Moonie.

[WestCanMan]

34 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

He wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I never said he was. I just said that he was smarter than you.

That's like being taller than an earthworm.

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He'd just heard the covid vaccine was some kind of 'Conspiracy' and didn't realize the tetanus shot was a vaccine.

To say that it was a conspiracy isn't inaccurate enough to discount his reluctance to take it.

We were lied to over and over and over and over about the origin of covid, who it affected, who needed vaccines, the vaccines' safety and efficacy,  the vaccines' ability to slow the spread, etc. That's not a conspiracy, that's just 100% verified.

You can say it wasn't a conspiracy, and I will grant you that for the sake of this argument, but when everything that you have been told by a group of people was a lie (not a case of them just being wrong a bunch of times), what's the difference between that and a conspiracy? It's a distinction without a difference. In either case, you just stop believing both the conspirators and the liars, right? Or in your case, no. Whatever.  

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If he'd read the Tetanus vaccine was 'bad' he would have refused that.

Stop exaggerating the extent of medical disinformation on the internet: the greatest source of it is your covid propagandists. 

Do you need a refresher? 

1. it's not HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!  to say that covid might not come from a bat -> intermediary species -> human trio
2. YOUR people never should have banned people from the internet for saying "BSL4 lab" in 2020
3. the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting sick
4. the vaccine doesn't stop you from being hospitalized
5. the vaccine doesn't stop you from going to ICU
6. the vaccine doesn't stop you from giving tha vid to granny
7. the vaccine doesn't stop you from dying
8. the vaccine doesn't limit the above 5 outcomes to the "elderly and infirm", covid was always limited to those categories

etc, etc, etc.

• [edit] I should have added above that the safety and efficacy of the vaccines was also lied about at every stage of that sad saga. We were also not informed about the frequency and severity of vax injuries, and omitting is a form of lying. Blocking the truth is even worse than merely lying. Your people are liars and they actively prevent the spread of truthful information. 

FYI, all of their statements that I referenced above constituted serious disinformation on their part. Not only that, the collusion of the "journalists" and social media giants that collaborated on all of that disinformation was extremely sinister, to say the least.

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2020/trusted-news-initiative-vaccine-disinformation

• Trusted News Initiative (TNI) to combat spread of harmful vaccine disinformation and announces major research project

• The Trusted News Initiative (TNI) was set up last year to protect audiences and users from disinformation, particularly around moments of jeopardy, such as elections. The TNI complements existing programmes partners have in place.

  The partners currently within the TNI are: AP, AFP; BBC, CBC/Radio-Canada, European Broadcasting Union (EBU),Facebook, Financial Times, First Draft, Google/YouTube, The Hindu, Microsoft , Reuters, Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, Twitter, The Washington Post.

 

FYI TNI didn't just start spreading covid disinformation at that point, they started much earlier, I just didn't have the original announcement come up on P1 of my Ggl srch.

 

• Trusted News Initiative announces plans to tackle harmful Coronavirus disinformation

  ( From https://mediaspace.global/news-articles/trusted-news-initiative-announces-plans-to-tackle-harmful-coronav )

  'An industry collaboration of major news and tech organisations will work together to rapidly identify and stop the spread of harmful Coronavirus disinformation.
  The Trusted News Initiative (TNI) was set up last year to protect audiences and users from disinformation, particularly around moments of jeopardy, such as elections.'
  'The partners within the TNI are: BBC, Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter, Microsoft, AFP, Reuters, European Broadcasting Union (EBU), Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Hindu, CBC/Radio-Canada, First Draft, Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism.'

Say what you want about "conspeerasy theerusts on thuh innernets",

1. NO ONE ON EARTH PUMPED OUT 1% OF THE COVID-RELATED DISINFORMATION THAT TNI OUTLETS SPREAD THEMSELVES.
2. NO GROUP OF PEOPLE ON EARTH HAVE EVER DONE AS MUCH TO SQUASH THE FLOW OF ACCURATE INFORMATION THAN TNI DID. They didn't just squash the truth on covid, they also squashed the truth about the Hunter laptop. They even banned the NYPost from Twitter for telling the truth, and the FBI knew it was true when they were telling Twitter to ban it. 

 

 

Is this all a conspiracy? Well, Fauci lied about the origin of covid to start it all off, then TNI backed his story and aggressively stifled any and all talk of alternate possibilities. Our gov'ts lied to us incessantly about covid, and in Canada we even had vax-fascism.

Conspiracy? Who cares? If it looks like sh1t and smells like sh1t, don't eat it. And in your case, if it also tastes like shit, stop eating it and telling everyone that it's delicious.

Edited July 23, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Army Guy]

On 7/21/2025 at 11:12 PM, TreeBeard said:

7 years isn’t long enough. 

Sure, those that participated in OKA, a far worse protest , were for the most part pardoned that is after Mohawk warriors had killed one police officer, with no one charge with murder.....only one person was charged with a criminal offense and served jail time...and they had a armed protest with automatic weapons  that took the army to bring an end to that protest with tanks,IFV, Helos, and at one time F-18 fly....So ya i understand why blasting some truck horns and bouncy castles , lets not forget the hot tubs, would definitely warrant a more than 7 year sentence...all of them might have had to be shot down in the streets to appease the snowflakes that cried every night...and claimed PTSD, oh the horror...

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Several warriors were detained by the military, and a number were later charged by the SQ. Five were convicted of crimes, including assault and theft; only one served time in jail.

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On 20 August, the armed forces’ Operation Salon began. Four thousand soldiers took up positions in and around Kanesatake and Kahnawake, along with armoured military vehicles, helicopters, artillery, police vessels on the Ottawa River, and other equipment

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/oka-crisis

Edited July 23, 2025 by Army Guy

[Michael Hardner]

On 7/22/2025 at 3:29 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

You came in hot disagreeing with my post.  Then you start to back-pedal and attempt to start shaming for "reading your mind" LOL.  Sure maybe you disagree the punishment is too severe, but it doesn't change the fact that your opinions of the convoy are coloured by things like their political persuasion (rightwing chuds) and race.

You're a guilt-ridden self-hating progressive like the vast majority of white male progressives and hate being called on it.  If these were indigenous progressives protesting pipelines your opinion of the them and the movement would be different, yet the crimes would be exactly same.  Your long posting history shows your biases (wait I forgot, you're an objective "conservative").

Done with the manipulation and gaslighting, you're very good at it, which suggest a lot of practice at it.  Go find your next victim, i'm not a sucker.

Okay, this is what I take from this:

I'm not on ignore yet. 

I came in hot. I'm sensitive and objective, so I can see that could have been true. If so I apologize, but I don't have the time to scroll up and look for the post. 

No backpedaling, you reading my mind and ascribing opinions to me is a regular pet peeve of mine with you. So I add that on top of everything else 

You acknowledge that you were wrong about my opinion on the punishment. That's a good thing. 

My opinion on the convoy is not as simple as you stated here. 

If my opinions are colored by their personas, then surely you must admit you're in the same boat as me. Just facing a different way. 

I don't think the people were chuds, I have friends who were there.. close friends. I will admit they went for the party. 

The paragraph where you put together a cartoon outline opf me is not accurate. 

For you to say I'm manipulating you, there would have to be some outcome other than just us talking. Since I can't get anything else from you other than a response to my ideas, how can you say I'm manipulating you any more than your manipulating me? I find that to be an odd accusation 

It's okay Graham. I do accept that I'm an annoying person to more than just you. You should post on here so you enjoy yourself. I did like posting to you for the odd time because you ascribe to a different perspective than me, far different, and yet you were able to accept some of my ideas some of the time. That's the commonality that I hope for on these boards with everyone else. 

I don't think it's possible with most people but we did do it from time to time and for that I'm grateful. 

Okay... Ignore away, I won't hold it against you. And I'm sorry if I was insulting.

 

 

 

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

after Mohawk warriors had killed one police officer, with no one charge with murder.....only one person was charged with a criminal offense and served jail time...and they had a armed protest with automatic weapons  that took the army to bring an end to that protest with tanks,IFV, Helos, and at one time F-18 fly....So ya

What makes you think I am in favour of a lack of prosecutions, and consequences, at Oka?

Edited July 23, 2025 by TreeBeard

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Lets get something straight and right.

No one (especially me) every asked younger generations or any generation to get vaxxed up.

You supported vax-mandates 100%, you even lied about the safety and efficacy of the jabs to try to make the case for them. You also slandered the Freedom Convoy just like every other leftard here.

And FYI the cumulative effect of all your support for forcing young people to take the jab is equally repugnant, whether it's your own children that you're forcing to vax or someone else's. 

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I always said it was your choice and that of your employer. I could not care less if you got vaxxed or not

Your employer has more than you to think about or worry about. He has all the employees to be concerned about and if a person went to work unvaxxed and spread covid around, he would be liable so, they made decision based on their liability. 

No, they made their decision based on pseudo-science and fear mongering from your LPOC. 

The convoluted stream of BS about "don't wear masks/wear masks, stand 6 feet apart, it's ok to have people fly in from Wuhan this week and walk around the int'l airport but next week Canadians won't be allowed to walk outside in the park, this sheet of plexiglass will protect the cashier from laser-covid because it only travels in straight lines, you can't get sick/ok hospitalized/ok end up in ICU/ok you can't die/you ca't give covid to granny, the vax protects me but the unvaxed can get covid and spread it to the vaxed who will then die" was not believable. Their lies were outrageous. 

The whole vax passport thing was a setup right from the get-go. It was designed for the purpose of leveraging people's work, school and social lives against them in order to force them to take a shot which 75% of them never needed at all, and which didn't prevent a single Canadian from spreading covid. 

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If "insults and their childish wrath have no effect on me" then get over it....most people have.

1. Just because I'm not affected by your childish insults doesn't mean that I'm not going to set the record straight
2. It is imperative to not "get over this", we need to have an honest look at what happened, and your stonewalling and lying is another form of support for the vax-fascism

What if the next time it comes around Lord Fauci says that "the old people are carriers because their immune systems are so weak. We can't prevent them getting or spreading covid. They all need to stay inside or we will all die."

What then? And what if the data that comes out doesn't support Lord Fauci's conclusions at all, but you're still quarantined? Will you suddenly care about actual facts and stats?

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Oh and your "truth" is only what fits your narrative. The world does not agree with "your truth" LOL 

The world actually agrees that covid did come from the BSL4 lab, that it isn't safe, that it doesn't prevent you from getting sick or giving it to granny, it doesn't prevent hospital/ICU/morgue visits, etc. 

The entire world understands that now. 

Also, it's Health Canada's stats that say that "more m-vaxed Canadians died of covid in 2022 than the total number of people who died of covid in 2020", I'm just the guy who presented you with that knowledge.

None of you believed me in 2022 when I told you that covid deaths weren't down at all that year. 

Eyeball even tried to tell me that "zero vaxed Canadians ever died of covid" long after I was presenting the "covid deaths by vax status" graphs that came from Health Canada data.

The media gave you the mushroom treatment, exflyer. I did not. I told you dozens of things in a timely manner that you never got around to understanding until MONTHS and probably even years later. 

Why didn't you guys know that thousands of m-vaxed Canadians had already died of covid while you still thought that the total was zero? Why did the media downplay the number of hospitalizations and deaths in Canada in 2022 so drastically? Remember this: the reason we even decided that we needed a vax was because there were so many hospitalizations and deaths in 2020, but then when hospitalizations tripled in 2022, and deaths were up by 36% from the previous year, the MSM was pretending that hospitals could resume to normal. WTF? How is that even possible? 

I don't care what ignorant/uninformed people agree on. I care about the truth, and at every stage of the game, my truth was on track to eventually become the established facts, whether you were willing to agree with me at that point or not. 

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In the US alone "estimate that COVID-19 vaccination was associated with over 8 million fewer confirmed cases, over 120 thousand fewer deaths, and 700 thousand fewer hospitalizations during the first six months of the campaign." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10129007/

You're talking about estimates from the NIH, exflyer. Do you know where Fauci worked FFS?

Where did he work, ef?

Who funded research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to make coronaviruses more transmissible between human cells, ef? Was that me, you, Fauci or the NiH? 

Sorry, that was a trick question, there are two correct answers: it was Fauci and the NIH that funded research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to make coronaviruses more transmissible between human cells.

It was Fauci who said that the coronavirus had to have mutated through a pangolin, while knowing full well that his own virus was sitting a few blocks away. And that some of the original carriers were from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

It was Fauci who originally made all of the claims about the vax that have since been debunked. 

Go back and look at every single thing that The Lord Of the NiH said during covid, and at this point, NONE OF FAUCI'S COMMENTS ARE FUGGING TRUE ANYMORE. NONE OF THEM. What did Fauci say in 2020 or 2021 that doesn't look like a lie at this point? 

Does it seem a bit unscrupulous that the guy who knew that he had almost certainly funded the creation of the virus said "It had to have come from over there"? How the F do you still believe that guy? How do you still trust the NIH?

After all the things that I said, which you didn't believe, have come to be established facts, and all the things that Fauci said, which you believed, turned out to be lies, WHY THE F ARE YOU STILL QUOTING THEM AND CALLING ME A LIAR? 

You have Stockholm Syndrome, ef.

Those guys held your mind captive for two years, you blindly followed them, and you still can't shake them.

 

The NIH's NARRATIVE that you just cited means absolutely nothing in Canada. 

Their covid waves and deaths peaked early, ours peaked later. IN 2022, AFTER WE VAXED 85% OF OUR POPULATION IN CANADA, DEATHS AND HOSPITALIZATIONS EXPERIENCED MASSIVE INCREASES - FULL STOP. 100% fact, straight from Health Canada. 

Are you honestly going to try to tell me that deaths were down here because the NIH said so, when I showed you Health Canada's own stats that say we had the most deaths ever here in 2022? How the F does your mind work, ef? 

They lied to you CONSTANTLY. Stop f'ing quoting them as if they have all the credibility in the world, buddy.

You're like a reporter who's asking the Nazis if they killed any Jews, and then ignoring all evidence to the contrary and telling the world that there were no concentration camps.

There's a HUGE pile of dead bodies in Canada that say that the vax didn't slow or stop the spread, PERIOD. The NIH's OPINION is not welcome here. They can suck my dick. 

Edited July 23, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

What makes you think I am in favour of a lack of prosecutions, and consequences, at Oka?

I was pointing out that OKA was much more violent than the convoy ever was , and required much more resources spent on it than the convoy we should expect a much lighter sentence, but i get it lefties are crying for blood much like you.......What they should be looking at is a slap on the wrist....our government has already punished these people with enough BS

Edited July 23, 2025 by Army Guy

[Army Guy]

Of course there is this comparison, 6 years for killing their son....i wonder how long they practice the crying routine....So ya i can see where the need for more than 7 years....i mean they did keep people up all night, must have been terrible, maybe reparations would be in order...Maybe , and i say this with a big maybe this country should have some more common sense than a rapid squirrel gives while chasing a walnut, when it comes to justice system in this country.... 

Calgary parents get 6-year sentence after toddler dies from scalding water in diaper

[Zeitgeist]

On 7/21/2025 at 10:27 PM, TreeBeard said:

She’s a wannabe domestic terrorist. 

That’s an irresponsible thing to say.  They never proposed any kind of violence.  Trudeau would’ve unnecessarily continued restrictions longer if it wasn’t for the convoy.