Michael Hardner Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 (edited) 10 hours ago, TreeBeard said: What makes you think I am in favour of a lack of prosecutions, and consequences, at Oka? Who did jail time at Ipperwash? Edited July 24, 2025 by Michael Hardner Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Barquentine Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: you reading my mind and ascribing opinions to me is a regular pet peeve of mine with you Yeah, that happens a lot on this site. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: You supported vax-mandates 100%, .... The NIH's NARRATIVE that you just cited means absolutely nothing in Canada. ... OMG...what LOSER. Get over it Dude...LOL 5 years is a long time to harbour such relentless vitriol. no one except fools like you give a shit anymore I am entitled to as much opinion as you...like it or not. Do what you want. Believe what you want. Say what you want. It is over. Only when you LOSERS bring it up does the topic regain footing. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: I was pointing out that OKA was much more violent than the convoy ever was , and required much more resources spent on it than the convoy we should expect a much lighter sentence, but i get it lefties are crying for blood much like you.......What they should be looking at is a slap on the wrist....our government has already punished these people with enough BS There have been dozens upon dozens of changes to the criminal law legislation since OKA 35 years ago....by all governments, conservative and liberal. Our society has demanded changes in the laws for so many things as out society got and gets softer. What was applicable back then is most likely changed since then. I suggest as a result of the OKA incident there was specific changes in the law. So, comparison with OKA and the truckers debacle is not a valid comparison. As I said , prosecutors are required to demand max sentence but chances are there will only be a slap on the wrist and time served. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Moonbox Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 19 hours ago, Nationalist said: It is? You have proof the vax had any positive influence? You mean other than the clear correlation of lower vaccine rates with higher death rates? Sure. Tons. Vaccination against covid-19 has reduced deaths in Europe by at least 57% and saved at least 1.4 million lives, the World Health Organization has estimated. https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q125 Vaccination against covid-19 has reduced deaths in Europe by at least 57% and saved at least 1.4 million lives, the World Health Organization has estimated. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9537923/ Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, new research has found, bolstering evidence that the inoculations continue to provide powerful protection, even against the delta variant. https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/1036023973/covid-19-unvaccinated-deaths-11-times-more-likely https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status I don't expect any of this to matter to you, since it didn't the first few hundred times it was presented to you. 3 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Michael Hardner Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 15 minutes ago, Moonbox said: You mean other than the clear correlation of lower vaccine rates with higher death rates? Sure. Tons. I think a "systems thinking" response on this would necessitate acknowledging that a certain segment of "the" public will never engage with an expert-led information model and we have to account for that. While I do think that public engagement needs to be curated at all levels, I also think that if you acknowledge that we can accept single-digit percentages of ... whatever you want to call them, let's say "refuseniks" ... then their involvement needs to be considered differently. Basically, you are doing this with them for 'entertainment'. You don't have a hope of convincing them, nor do you have any real stake in doing so. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
WestCanMan Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: OMG...what LOSER. Get over it Dude...LOL 5 years is a long time to harbour such relentless vitriol. no one except fools like you give a shit anymore I am entitled to as much opinion as you...like it or not. Do what you want. Believe what you want. Say what you want. It is over. Only when you LOSERS bring it up does the topic regain footing. Face it, ef. You got sucked into believing a string of probably 50 lies, some of them as absurd as "my vax protects me but the unvaxed can give me covid which will kill me", and you sold out your fellow Canadians. Not even just "Canadians", you sold out our younger generations and even our children. Fauci started off by saying "covid came from over there" while he was standing in the Wuhan lab with a vial of coronavirus in his hand, and then he led you around by the nose for TWO YEARS while you were none the wiser 😆. Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? an you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: OMG...what LOSER. Get over it Dude...LOL 5 years is a long time to harbour such relentless vitriol. no one except fools like you give a shit anymore I am entitled to as much opinion as you...like it or not. Do what you want. Believe what you want. Say what you want. It is over. Only when you LOSERS bring it up does the topic regain footing. Face it, ef. You got sucked into believing a string of probably 50 lies, some of them as absurd as "my vax protects me but the unvaxed can give me covid which will kill me", and you sold out your fellow Canadians. Not even just "Canadians", you sold out our younger generations and even our children. Fauci started off by saying "covid came from over there" while he was standing in the Wuhan lab with a vial of coronavirus in his hand, and then he led you around by the nose for TWO YEARS while you were none the wiser 😆. Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Michael Hardner Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? Obviously Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
WestCanMan Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: OMG...what LOSER. Get over it Dude...LOL 5 years is a long time to harbour such relentless vitriol. no one except fools like you give a shit anymore I am entitled to as much opinion as you...like it or not. Do what you want. Believe what you want. Say what you want. It is over. Only when you LOSERS bring it up does the topic regain footing. Face it, ef. You got sucked into believing a string of probably 50 lies, some of them as absurd as "my vax protects me but the unvaxed can give me covid which will kill me", and you sold out your fellow Canadians. Not even just "Canadians", you sold out our younger generations and even our children. Fauci started off by saying "covid came from over there" while he was standing in the Wuhan lab with a vial of coronavirus in his hand, and then he led you around by the nose for TWO YEARS while you were none the wiser 😆. Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? Can you give granny covid if you're vaxed, loser? Can you end up in the hospital if you're vaxed, loser? Can you end up in the ICU if you're vaxed, loser? Can you die if you're vaxed, loser? Did the jab get us to herd immunity, loser? Is the jab 97% effective, loser? Is the jab 95% effective, loser? Is the jab 88% effective, loser? Is the jab 77% effective, loser? Is the jab 67% effective, loser? Is the jab 57% effective, loser? Is the jab 47% effective, loser? Is the jab 27% effective, loser? Does it give you a 20% higher chance of surviving now, loser? Have any m-vaxed Canadians even died of covid, loser? Why did deaths go up by 36% in 2022, after we vaxed 86% of our population, loser? Why did hospitalizations triple in 2022, after we vaxed 86% of our population, loser? Why did our MSM stop talking about covid in 2022 when hospitalizations tripled and deaths went up by 36%, loser? How is it possible that 90% of our covid deaths were among the vaxed in summer 2022 when the jabs are 97% effective, loser? All of the m-vaxed here would have to get infected 100 times each to end u with that many deaths if the jabs were 97% effective... How is it possible that 75% of the covid deaths in summer 2022 were among the 3 and 4 times jabbed, loser? Isn't that like layer upon layer of "95% protection"? Or 85%? Or, or, or, or..... 😂 There were barely even any 4-jabbed here at that point, and not for very long. We only started giving idjit jab #4 in about May of that year. Is the jab safe, loser? Has it ever injured a kid, loser? How long did it take for the vax-fascists to finally admit that children were being grievously harmed and even killed by the jabs, loser? Do kids even need a jab to protect them covid, loser? Why did kids start dying of covid 6 times as fast in Canada after we started vaxing them, loser? Was it really safe to let people fly in from Wuhan and walk around our int'l airports and then waltz into restaurants, loser? Was it necessary to prevent Canadians from walking in public parks a week later, loser? Did we really need to build "voluntary self-quarantine centres" in Yukon, loser? Do you just need 2 jabs, loser? Do you just need 3 jabs, loser? Do you just need 4 jabs, loser? Do you just need 5 jabs, loser? Do you just need 6 jabs, loser? Have you had your 7th jab yet, loser? OMG, are you still alive? GET IT! QUICK! AND FORCE YOUR GRANDKIDS TO TAKE IT! DON'T LET YOUR KIDS VISIT YOU IF THEY'RE NOT JABBED, LOSER! Did you snitch on your neighbours for having friends over, loser? Did you cheer when Trudeau poached our first 1.9 million jabs from the 3rd-world charity pool, you racist loser? Your first jab might have been earmarked for a doctor in Africa, racist loser. Buddy, just look at all the crap you believed that's all false now. YOU STILL HAVEN'T MENTIONED SOMETHING FAUCI SAID IN 2020 OR 2021 THAT'S STILL TRUE TODAY. ALL OF IT WAS EVENTUALLY PROVEN TO BE FALSE, LOSER. FFS, the guy was on our TV's for hours and hours and hours making claim after claim, surely you can find one thing that he said that was true, no? Honest to God, the closest he came to saying the truth about anything was when he said "herd immunity", because he thinks of us as cattle. And after all ^^that^^, YOU'RE STILL A FAUCI CULTIST 😆 Do you have a Fauci shrine in your home, loser? A Trudeau shrine? 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
ExFlyer Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 (edited) 29 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Face it, ef. You got sucked into believing .... .. Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? Face it westconman. You got sucked into believing the conspiracy theorists LOL Bu that is OK, you can believe in anyone or anything you want. You have the absolute right to be wrong Oh and yes, anyone can get sick if they are vaxxed...no guarantees were ever offered. Oh and does name calling make you a smarter or better person??? Edited July 24, 2025 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Moonbox Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Basically, you are doing this with them for 'entertainment'. You don't have a hope of convincing them, nor do you have any real stake in doing so. That's especially true online, and on an unmoderated forum like this. Sometimes you can actually engage with some of these self-taught "geniuses" face-to-face, as they're less likely to insult you for asking questions. My oldest friend (known him since daycare) lost his business, his fiancé, stopped talking to his family and lost most of his friends on account of his vaccine denialism and his belligerence on the topic. Amidst one of his poor-me rants, I asked him if he believed that his year or so of internet scrolling and "research" gave him comparable levels of knowledge and expertise on COVID and the vaccines as the doctors and specialists who spent 7+ years studying these topics. Naively, I thought this would elicit a moment of humility and reflection on his part. To my astonishment, he actually answered yes. That led me to my next question, where I asked him what sort of information, data or source would he have to see/hear from to change his mind on the topic. His answer was something along the lines of it requiring a fundamental shift in reality...essentially he was already certain and the cosmos would have to flip upside down to change his mind. 🤷♂️ 1 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
WestCanMan Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Obviously That's just the tip of the iceberg, MH. It's just one of the hundreds of lies told by Fauci and our MSM while they were actively preventing people from telling the truth about the BSL4 lab, etc. We both know that ex-flyer isn't going to answer any questions, and you're probably the most level-headed leftist here, can you name something that Fauci said in 2020 or 2021 that was true? 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Legato Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Oh and yes, anyone can get sick if they are vaxxed...no guarantees were ever offered. 1 1 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Face it westconman. You got sucked into believing the conspiracy theorists LOL Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? Can you give granny covid if you're vaxed, loser? Can you end up in the hospital if you're vaxed, loser? Can you end up in the ICU if you're vaxed, loser? Can you die if you're vaxed, loser? Did the jab get us to herd immunity, loser? Is the jab 97% effective, loser? Is the jab 95% effective, loser? Is the jab 88% effective, loser? Is the jab 77% effective, loser? Is the jab 67% effective, loser? Is the jab 57% effective, loser? Is the jab 47% effective, loser? Is the jab 27% effective, loser? Does it give you a 20% higher chance of surviving now, loser? Have any m-vaxed Canadians even died of covid, loser? Why did deaths go up by 36% in 2022, after we vaxed 86% of our population, loser? Why did hospitalizations triple in 2022, after we vaxed 86% of our population, loser? Why did our MSM stop talking about covid in 2022 when hospitalizations tripled and deaths went up by 36%, loser? How is it possible that 90% of our covid deaths were among the vaxed in summer 2022 when the jabs are 97% effective, loser? All of the m-vaxed here would have to get infected 100 times each to end u with that many deaths if the jabs were 97% effective... How is it possible that 75% of the covid deaths in summer 2022 were among the 3 and 4 times jabbed, loser? Isn't that like layer upon layer of "95% protection"? Or 85%? Or, or, or, or..... 😂 There were barely even any 4-jabbed here at that point, and not for very long. We only started giving idjit jab #4 in about May of that year. Is the jab safe, loser? Has it ever injured a kid, loser? How long did it take for the vax-fascists to finally admit that children were being grievously harmed and even killed by the jabs, loser? Do kids even need a jab to protect them covid, loser? Why did kids start dying of covid 6 times as fast in Canada after we started vaxing them, loser? Was it really safe to let people fly in from Wuhan and walk around our int'l airports and then waltz into restaurants, loser? Was it necessary to prevent Canadians from walking in public parks a week later, loser? Did we really need to build "voluntary self-quarantine centres" in Yukon, loser? Do you just need 2 jabs, loser? Do you just need 3 jabs, loser? Do you just need 4 jabs, loser? Do you just need 5 jabs, loser? Do you just need 6 jabs, loser? Have you had your 7th jab yet, loser? OMG, are you still alive? GET IT! QUICK! AND FORCE YOUR GRANDKIDS TO TAKE IT! DON'T LET YOUR KIDS VISIT YOU IF THEY'RE NOT JABBED, LOSER! Did you snitch on your neighbours for having friends over, loser? Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Oh and yes, anyone can get sick if they are vaxxed... Correction: Anyone can die if they are jabbed. Quote no guarantees were ever offered. FYI the jab never lowered anyone's chance of dying. It didn't do that for healthy children, because they don't die of covid. Ditto for young adults. It didn't lower old people's chances of dying either because the 3 and 4 times jabbed literally set the record for covid deaths in the summertime of 2022, for any year. They probably tripled the number of deaths in summer 2020, when covid was still a novel virus. You don't think that saying "It's safe and effective, and you don't have to worry about giving granny covid if you're jabbed" was some kind of guarantee? Fauci (Director of the HIH) said it, Rochelle Wolenski (Director of the CDC) said it, and that message was broadcast across our country in every form of media, on our Canadians stations, along with plans for using the jab to save our country FFS. Now you say "there were no guarantees"? You're conflating the back-pedalling message with the original message, ef. Do you think that at some point our gov't said "We don't really know if it's going to work, but you can fire people for not taking it, and we won't give those people EI or CERB"? Do you think that our gov't didn't pretend that it was working as promised? Don't you remember hearing about the "pandemic of the unvaccinated"? "Only 90% of our covid deaths are among the vaxed. THIS IS A PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED!!!!" 😂 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
ExFlyer Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 30 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Can you get sick if you're vaxed, loser? ... Did you snitch on your neighbours for having friends over, loser? What a bunch of paranoid blather LOL 15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Correction: More paranoid blather LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
WestCanMan Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 21 minutes ago, Moonbox said: My oldest friend (known him since daycare) lost his business, his fiancé, stopped talking to his family and lost most of his friends on account of his vaccine denialism and his belligerence on the topic. You say "denialism", but with the benefit of hindsight, we now know that the jabs didn't work, and they did cause serious injuries and even death, so he wasn't just denying; he was smarter than you. FYI when 90% of the people who are dying of covid are multi-jabbed, and 75% of them have 3-4 jabs, that's not considered "a success". When covid hospitalizations triple and deaths go up by 36% after we vax 85% of the population, that's not a success. When the number of multi-jabbed covid deaths in 2022 exceeds to total number of covid deaths in 2020 (while no one was vaxed), that's not a success. I've posted Health Canada's own stats that show those exact things here many times, so you have no excuse for not knowing. He wasn't the belligerent one, moonie. He's the one who was forced to comply and jab and not visit people and wear a mask, etc, etc etc, and he was surrounded by low-IQ cultists who were just blindly regurgitating the dumbest propaganda ever broadcast. "If you have the jab you don't have to worry, but the unvaxed can give you covid and it might kill you" is literally the dumbest message ever transmitted to the general public. He didn't "lose friends": he merely ceased to socialize with the kinds of people who force kids to take an experimental vaccine just to save their own hide, and those people are incapable of true friendship. I certainly don't have any friends like that. You would have landed on your head if you spoke to me in person like you do here. 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: What a bunch of paranoid blather LOL More paranoid blather LOL I post a litany of facts here, you're limited to posting snotty insults and LOL's. 😉 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
ExFlyer Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 (edited) 3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I post a litany of facts here, you're limited to posting snotty insults and LOL's. 😉 You post a litany of paranoiac BS... But, like I said, you have the absolute right to be wrong...and so wrong too LOL Oh and, never a "snotty insult". Being told you are paranoid is not in the least snotty...it is a fact. Edited July 24, 2025 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Nationalist Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: You mean other than the clear correlation of lower vaccine rates with higher death rates? Sure. Tons. Vaccination against covid-19 has reduced deaths in Europe by at least 57% and saved at least 1.4 million lives, the World Health Organization has estimated. https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q125 Vaccination against covid-19 has reduced deaths in Europe by at least 57% and saved at least 1.4 million lives, the World Health Organization has estimated. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9537923/ Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, new research has found, bolstering evidence that the inoculations continue to provide powerful protection, even against the delta variant. https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/1036023973/covid-19-unvaccinated-deaths-11-times-more-likely https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status I don't expect any of this to matter to you, since it didn't the first few hundred times it was presented to you. It doesn't. Especially if you're gonna quote the WHO. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: It doesn't. Especially if you're gonna quote the WHO. It wasn't all I was quoting, and I could give you pages and pages of sources with similar conclusions, from countries all over the world and it wouldn't make a difference. You're not actually interested in any of the empirical or objective data because none of it, from anywhere, supports your viewpoint. You're going to continue dismissing it without even a moment's consideration, and then distort reality around yourself and pretend none of the data exists, as you've done in this thread. 🙃 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 7 minutes ago, Moonbox said: It wasn't all I was quoting, and I could give you pages and pages of sources with similar conclusions, from countries all over the world and it wouldn't make a difference. You're not actually interested in any of the empirical or objective data because none of it, from anywhere, supports your viewpoint. You're going to continue dismissing it without even a moment's consideration, and then distort reality around yourself and pretend none of the data exists, as you've done in this thread. 🙃 Yes I've seen all the... 8 minutes ago, Moonbox said: pages and pages of sources with similar conclusions, from countries all over the world and it wouldn't make a difference But none of it passes my "sniff test". And if it swims like a fish and stinks like a fish...it ain' a horse. The WHO is about the last "experts" i would give any credibility to. They and the governments of the time have lost all credibility. 7 minutes ago, Moonbox said: It wasn't all I was quoting, and I could give you pages and pages of sources with similar conclusions, from countries all over the world and it wouldn't make a difference. You're not actually interested in any of the empirical or objective data because none of it, from anywhere, supports your viewpoint. You're going to continue dismissing it without even a moment's consideration, and then distort reality around yourself and pretend none of the data exists, as you've done in this thread. 🙃 Yes I've seen all the... 8 minutes ago, Moonbox said: pages and pages of sources with similar conclusions, from countries all over the world and it wouldn't make a difference But none of it passes my "sniff test". And if it swims like a fish and stinks like a fish...it ain' a horse. The WHO is about the last "experts" i would give any credibility to. They and the governments of the time have lost all credibility. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Michael Hardner Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 58 minutes ago, Moonbox said: 1. That's especially true online, and on an unmoderated forum like this. Sometimes you can actually engage with some of these self-taught "geniuses" face-to-face, as they're less likely to insult you for asking questions. 2. My oldest friend (known him since daycare) lost his business, his fiancé, stopped talking to his family and lost most of his friends on account of his vaccine denialism and his belligerence on the topic. 3. Amidst one of his poor-me rants, I asked him if he believed that his year or so of internet scrolling and "research" gave him comparable levels of knowledge and expertise on COVID and the vaccines as the doctors and specialists who spent 7+ years studying these topics. Naively, I thought this would elicit a moment of humility and reflection on his part. To my astonishment, he actually answered yes. 4. That led me to my next question, where I asked him what sort of information, data or source would he have to see/hear from to change his mind on the topic. His answer was something along the lines of it requiring a fundamental shift in reality...essentially he was already certain and the cosmos would have to flip upside down to change his mind. 🤷♂️ 1. The "TheyLied.ca" people set up a booth near a public park. First time I got to see some of these people in the flesh and I honestly just felt bad for them. They just looked uncomfortable, unhappy and ill-fitted. I did get mad, though, when one of them tried to hand my 6-year old a piece of anti-vax būllshit propaganda fashioned to look like a 20 dollar bill. They seemed shocked that I would tell them to not talk to my children, but I'll bet their at the school meetings slobbering about LGBTQ 'propaganda" in the form of a rainbow sticker pasted somewhere. 2. My longest friend was always a naive guy. Unbeknownst to me, he started listening to bro podcasts and went down into the muck. I told him I loved him when he explained his position and said we're done with this. Like many on here, he desperately wanted to "debate" undebatable things like values, opinions etc. 3. Same situation with me. My pal actually grabbed an AI page, neglected to clip the AI signature, and posted it to me as his opinion on things. 4. Right. So you can't build a system based on 100% agreement or engagement. Your experience mirrors mine. 2 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 21 minutes ago, Moonbox said: It wasn't all I was quoting, and I could give you pages and pages of sources with similar conclusions, from countries all over the world and it wouldn't make a difference. You're not actually interested in any of the empirical or objective data because none of it, from anywhere, supports your viewpoint. You're going to continue dismissing it without even a moment's consideration, and then distort reality around yourself and pretend none of the data exists, as you've done in this thread. 🙃 When people lie to me, I tend to discount what they say. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Nationalist said: When people lie to me, I tend to discount what they say. That's reasonable, but on this topic it's the proverbial "they" who apparently lied to you, and I don't think you could describe what sort of sources you would trust if they challenged and disproved what you've already chosen to believe. Could you? Edited July 24, 2025 by Moonbox 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
WestCanMan Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 (edited) 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I think a "systems thinking" response on this would necessitate acknowledging that a certain segment of "the" public will never engage with an expert-led information model and we have to account for that. While I do think that public engagement needs to be curated at all levels, I also think that if you acknowledge that we can accept single-digit percentages of ... whatever you want to call them, let's say "refuseniks" ... then their involvement needs to be considered differently. Basically, you are doing this with them for 'entertainment'. You don't have a hope of convincing them, nor do you have any real stake in doing so. FYI you're not "analyzing an expert-led information model" with the capacity to reach your own informed conclusions, MH. Stop putting on airs. What you're doing is "accepting the narratives of the people who created the virus and then said that it came from a pangolin". They get raw data and we get raw data. They try their level best to skew that data into something that they can use to pull their fat outta the fire, and I say "why did deaths increase by 36% from 2021-2022, and why were almost 90% of our deaths among the multi-vaxed?" Sure, they have access to a bit more data than we do, and they can bloviate about things that don't concern laymen like us, but the number of hospitalizations and deaths in an entire country after vaxxing is where the rubber hits the road. They can have a T-cell parade if they want, and pin up posters of strands of DNA clad in skimpy bikinis if they want, but they are judged by "did the vax decrease deaths?" Not just that mind you, but "Did the vax decrease deaths by a large enough margin that it justifies vax-fascism?" You can say whatever you want about spiked proteins, T-cells, mRNA vax technology, and minor irritations around the injection site all day but all that truly matters is "who died, who's suffering long-term effects, and who used up hospital resources". FYI we didn't all spazz out as a country because we wanted mRNA jabs so that our blood would cool under an electron microscope. So here are the main objective truths for you to swallow, MH: covid deaths in Canada went up by 36% from 2021 to 2022. They were 24% higher than in 2020. I have the stats right from Health Canada for you if you'd like to see them Hospitalizations in Canada tripled in 2022 MH. the whole "vaxing slows the spread" theory was blown right the f out the window. I posted that graph from Health Canada earlier in this thread. Almost 90% of the people who died from covid in Canada in 2022 were multi-vaxed for the last few months that Health Canada tracked those stats. In the summers of 2020 and 2021, covid deaths dropped to the low double digits per week. In 2022 there were never less than 200 deaths, and 75% of them were either 3 or 4x-vaxed, and like I said, 86% were m-vaxed. It's certain that more vaxed people died in 2022 than the total number of vaxed and unvaxed in 2021, and a near certainty that there were even more than 2020, but Health Canada Stopped sharing those stats with 3 months to go in 2022 so it's a mere statistical certainty and not a numerical difference. If you vaccinated 85% of the population with a vax that dropped the CFR by 80%, as some vax-apologists like to claim the jabs did, then deaths should go down to about 32% of what they were. If you vaccinated 95% of the most vulnerable people, as was theorized here (we vaxed 95% of old people, but we don't know about vax-rates for people with serious underlying health issues), then you should be looking at even less than 32% of what they were. In order to end up with the same number of vaxed deaths (with the -80% CFR) as there'd normally be if these people were unvaxxed, you'd have to have 5x as many infections among the unvaxed. To get a 36% increase you'd need to have about 7x as many infections. But how could there be so many infections when there was a "vaccine" that slows the spread? And don't forget, we're talking about the summertime, when covid restrictions were off in all 3 years. Further to that last part, when the unvaxed were locked down (Nov 2021 until late spring or early summer 2022) and the m-vaxed were free to roam, covid deaths and infections were exploding. How did that happen when the glorious vaxed were the only people out and about? How does that show that the vax was slowing the spread? Again, T-cell and spiked protein conversations are on hold now because they play second fiddle to hospitalization and mortality stats. No one cares if your car's carburator is in better shape than my carburator if mine allows gas into the engine and yours doesn't. If the car's not running, it's a fail. If the car's running, the worst that you can get is a D-. We pay mechanics to keep cars running, not so that they can bore us by talking about grapple-grommits and filbert flanges. Keep my car on the road and we're good. I don't care about my fuel mileage 😁 So just dazzle us with your shiny facts, MH. What have you got for us that can explain how the sharp rise in deaths and hospitalizations translates into a vaccine success story? How do they prove that the vaccine worked? P.S.: And try to do that using stats that didn't come from anyone who had a hand in creating the virus, thanks. Edited July 24, 2025 by WestCanMan Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
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