Aristides Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 10 minutes ago, West said: He's Joe's fall boy again. Imagine being that sick that you use your own son to cover yourself. Joe isn't a man, he's a coward And ran out the clock on Joe's crimes in the process Takes a lot of mental gymnastics to be a MAGA. It must be exhausting. That post is a perfect example of what Beaver's article talks about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 "The fix is in, he is going to get off". But he was convicted "Its all part of the Biden master plan" For a supposed senile old fart, you sure seem to think Biden is one smart cookie. A regular Machiavelli. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, Aristides said: "The fix is in, he is going to get off". But he was convicted "Its all part of the Biden master plan" For a supposed senile old fart, you sure seem to think Biden is one smart cookie. A regular Machiavelli. They complain and cry conspiracy no matter the outcome it seems. 1 3 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 54 minutes ago, West said: He's Joe's fall boy again. Imagine being that sick that you use your own son to cover yourself. Joe isn't a man, he's a coward And ran out the clock on Joe's crimes in the process ^You are a LIAR with ZERO EVIDENCE. 🤮 36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: They complain and cry conspiracy no matter the outcome it seems. Der leader will disown the MAGA CULT members who admit being wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 10 hours ago, robosmith said: I stated FACTS, not your interpretation that I'm "pushing Russian disinformation." "they don't have the FACTS," and "is STILL UNKNOWN" is ONLY pushing the FACTS about what is NOT KNOWN, NOT drawing a conclusion that you're CLAIMING. Thanks for demonstrating your FAILURE to understand and desperation at pushing YOUR AGENDA. No, this is great. I am glad you agree there is no Russian Disinformation. Thank you for clearing this up. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 24 minutes ago, robosmith said: ^You are a LIAR with ZERO EVIDENCE. 🤮 Der leader will disown the MAGA CULT members who admit being wrong. The laptop is the evidence dummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, West said: The laptop is the evidence dummy It's NOT EVIDENCE until YOU POST IT HERE. Otherwise, it's JUST YOUR CLAIM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 14 hours ago, West said: What lies? Pick one. Trump has thousands of documented lies and baseless conspiracies and smears against politicians, including fellow Republicans, media personalities, lies about his own personal success and competence, lies about his record as president and so on. THE BIG LIE is of course the most obvious of them and really being an entire constellation of lies all on its own. 14 hours ago, West said: The right said the laptop was real and turns out it was The right also said the laptop contained child pornography and evidence of multiple crimes, which it did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Pick one. Trump has thousands of documented lies and baseless conspiracies and smears against politicians, including fellow Republicans, media personalities, lies about his own personal success and competence, lies about his record as president and so on. THE BIG LIE is of course the most obvious of them and really being an entire constellation of lies all on its own. The right also said the laptop contained child pornography and evidence of multiple crimes, which it did not. How do you know Trump lied? We have evidence Intel was spreading disinformation to help Joe Biden now. 11 minutes ago, robosmith said: It's NOT EVIDENCE until YOU POST IT HERE. Otherwise, it's JUST YOUR CLAIM. We have: -A laptop demonstrating evidence of foreign racketeering -A former business associate blowing the whistle on impropriety Only hard partisans cry there is no evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 6 minutes ago, West said: How do you know Trump lied? We have evidence Intel was spreading disinformation to help Joe Biden now. It's EASY for you to make ^BULLSHIT CLAIMS, but IMPOSSIBLE for you to post EVIDENCE. 6 minutes ago, West said: We have: -A laptop demonstrating evidence of foreign racketeering No you don't. See I can post gratuitous claims just like you did. 6 minutes ago, West said: -A former business associate blowing the whistle on impropriety Only hard partisans cry there is no evidence Post it HERE, or it doesn't EXIST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 4 hours ago, BeaverFever said: If there was a secret deal he wouldn’t have pleaded not guilty. I’ll remind you the attempt at a plea bargain FAILED because of concerns raised by the judge If the judge was in the Biden’s pocket that wouldn’t have happened I'm sure you think that's true. I'm sure you'd believe that if there was a back room agreement as to what sentencing would be that, being honest people. they would stand up and say 'by the way, in accordance with our secret backroom deal i plead guilty" LOLOL This is a show. Of course he was going to be guilty. But the appearance now is that he was convicted and such and people (especially gullible people. Like you. ) will believe that's proof that justice was done. Which is critical for Joe to avoid the political storm that would have come from him getting off. This is spectacle. Hey - if he is sentenced to two years and actually serves that time i'll be the first in line to admit i'm wrong. But i think we'll see hunter a free man going into 20225 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 4 minutes ago, robosmith said: It's EASY for you to make ^BULLSHIT CLAIMS, but IMPOSSIBLE for you to post EVIDENCE. No you don't. See I can post gratuitous claims just like you did. Post it HERE, or it doesn't EXIST. Uh it's been all over the news, son. Tony Bobulinski has provided the goods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 11 minutes ago, West said: How do you know Trump lied? We have evidence Intel was spreading disinformation to help Joe Biden now. We have: -A laptop demonstrating evidence of foreign racketeering -A former business associate blowing the whistle on impropriety Only hard partisans cry there is no evidence A Republican House committee said the laptop has no evidence of illegality. That’s the word of Republicans. Trump has a whole legion of former associates alleging misdeeds, impropriety, incompetence and general unfitness for office, one of whom testified at his trial and many of whom were his most senior White House officials. You write them all off with baseless shrieking of “conspiracy!!!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, West said: He's Joe's fall boy again. Imagine being that sick that you use your own son to cover yourself. Joe isn't a man, he's a coward And ran out the clock on Joe's crimes in the process Well in a nutshell, this is what it looks like to me There were credible claims joe biden was taking money for his family's influence peddling, with testimony and emails, and that was gaining traction. Then this came up. So now Hunter will take the spanking for the lesser charges and he'll still be a rich man in a few months when he's out, but now joe will claim this as proof that he's not involved and "why can't you leave my son alone from further questioning? He's already paid his price!" any time any questions come up about illegal influence peddling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 20 hours ago, West said: If the Democrats had any integrity they'd be locking up Brennan and the multiple Intel professionals who signed the nonsense about Russia for obstruction of justice Sorry, I know you're a foreigner, but in the United States we have a constitutional protection for freedom of speech. We don't lock up citizens for expressing opinions. I know the MAGA crowd views the constitution as an unwelcome impediment at this point, but most Americans still believe it has meaning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hodad said: Sorry, I know you're a foreigner, but in the United States we have a constitutional protection for freedom of speech. We don't lock up citizens for expressing opinions. I know the MAGA crowd views the constitution as an unwelcome impediment at this point, but most Americans still believe it has meaning. Is impeding a criminal investigation "freedom of speech"? Sure they have a right to be wrong but do not have a right to stand behind their title to spread malicious lies. Edited June 12 by West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 3 minutes ago, Hodad said: Sorry, I know you're a foreigner, but in the United States we have a constitutional protection for freedom of speech. We don't lock up citizens for expressing opinions. You absolutely do if someone deliberately lies for the purpose of defrauding others. Freedom of speech does NOT extend to 'i'll sell you this bridge cheap" If the FBI, or any other gov't agency recognized as being qualified or expert, makes a claim that's deliberately misleading or inaccurate then they absolutely can face both civil and criminal charges. But i love that you, as an American, are trying to sell the idea that freedom of speech means freedom to defraud people 1 minute ago, West said: Is impeding a criminal investigation "freedom of speech"? Only if the investigation is on a democrat apparently "You offered to sell this police officer crack cocaine". "You can't arrest me for that! Freedom of speech!!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 20 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: A Republican House committee said the laptop has no evidence of illegality. That’s the word of Republicans. Trump has a whole legion of former associates alleging misdeeds, impropriety, incompetence and general unfitness for office, one of whom testified at his trial and many of whom were his most senior White House officials. You write them all off with baseless shrieking of “conspiracy!!!” https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/emails-reveal-how-hunter-biden-tried-to-cash-in-big-with-chinese-firm/ Wrong again about the laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I'm sure you think that's true. I'm sure you'd believe that if there was a back room agreement as to what sentencing would be that, being honest people. they would stand up and say 'by the way, in accordance with our secret backroom deal i plead guilty" LOLOL What a ridiculous thing for you to say. The whole reason people plead guilty is to get a lighter sentence. It’s not a secret backroom deal it’s a public deal between the defence and the prosecution. Look at all the Trump associates and Jan 6 insurrectionists who have pleaded guilty to crimes. The Democrat judge is the one who quashed the plea deal being worked out between Hunter’s defence team and the Trump-appointed prosecutor who brought the charges. 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: This is a show. Of course he was going to be guilty. But the appearance now is that he was convicted and such and people (especially gullible people. Like you. ) will believe that's proof that justice was done. Which is critical for Joe to avoid the political storm that would have come from him getting off I think the only gullible people are people like you who believe in conspiracies woth no evidence. If he pleads guilty for a lighter sentence, it’s rigged. If he pleads not guilty and is acquitted it’s rigged. If he pleads not guilty and is convicted it’s still somehow secretly rigged they’re just trying to make it look like it’s not rigged. So to recap you’re going to admit you’re wrong if BOTH of the following happen: - He is sentenced to at least 2 years in prison, AND -He serves the entire 2+ year sentence behind bars As you likely well know first time non-violent offenders rarely serve the entire prison sentence behind bars so I think you’re deliberately setting an artificially high bar so you can scream conspiracy And the 2 year sentence which you seem to have just pulled out of your ass is also unreasonably high once again so you scream conspiracy. As I noted earlier in this thread, the median sentence for this crime is 15 months and those most similar to Hunter (no prior convictions, etc) have received a range of 10-16 months, with 30% getting no jail time at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 21 hours ago, West said: It's implied by the guys profession, jackass. The man had a fiduciary duty to act in the best interest of his client and not bring harm on him. No. He used his lawyer as an intermediary to pay this person hush money. He was clearly trying to hide the expense. He even paid extra to cover Cohen’s income tax as part of the scheme to hide the payment. Nixon hatched illegal schemes with his lawyers, too. 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rebound said: No. He used his lawyer as an intermediary to pay this person hush money. He was clearly trying to hide the expense. He even paid extra to cover Cohen’s income tax as part of the scheme to hide the payment. Nixon hatched illegal schemes with his lawyers, too. It's really not "clear" what he was trying to do. Either way his lawyer still had the duty to advise him this was illegal (if in fact it was, which is heavily disputed) I also don't really care about Donnie and his sex addiction all that much. Immoral? Absolutely. I care more about the west being sold out to communist dictatorships and then implementing fascist type policies in every facet of society. This has more of an impact than whether or not Trump filed the correct tax form after being extorted by a greasy lawyer and his bimbo Edited June 12 by West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Takes a lot of mental gymnastics to be a MAGA. It must be exhausting. That post is a perfect example of what Beaver's article talks about. To the contrary, I think it takes very little mental energy to just parrot whatever random crap Trump and his cronies say. No thinking required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 11 hours ago, CdnFox said: No, it's very common to be charged for what hunter did. What's rare is that someone is ONLY Charged for what he did. I'm quite certain a plethora of additional charges could have been laid had they wished, but they just went with one charge. That's what's unusual about this, they didn't try and charge him with anything else It’s uncommon because this is typically an add-on charge when authorities take down gun smugglers, drug traffickers, gang members etc It’s absurd MAGA logic to assume that the fact Hunter wasn’t charged with crimes like that proves that he must be guilty of them. The reality is that Trump loyalists put the Biden family under a microscope to find SOMETHING to charge SOMEBODY with, given all the Trump acolytes who have been convicted and the many investigations into Trump’s own misdeeds. Hunter’s taxes and his gun application are all they could come up with. So that’s what he’s been charged with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) 15 minutes ago, West said: Is impeding a criminal investigation "freedom of speech"? Sure they have a right to be wrong but do not have a right to stand behind their title to spread malicious lies. They didn't impede any investigation. That's asinine. There is zero difference between the open letter and the expert pundits that appear on news channels 24/7 to opine about the news of the day. These are private citizens expressing their opinions about events. The United States of America protects freedom of speech. Maybe it will be different in Trumpistan. Edited June 12 by Hodad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 8 minutes ago, Rebound said: No. He used his lawyer as an intermediary to pay this person hush money. He was clearly trying to hide the expense. He even paid extra to cover Cohen’s income tax as part of the scheme to hide the payment. Nixon hatched illegal schemes with his lawyers, too. Nixon was hiding crime what Trump was hiding isnt a crime. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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