BeaverFever Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 41 minutes ago, West said: It impacted public perception going into an election So did a thousand other things, including countless lies by the Right But that’s still not obstruction of justice except in right wing fascist land. BTW. A Republican House Oversight Committee investigated the laptop and concluded it did not contain any evidence of wrongdoing Biden’s tax and gun charges are not due to the laptop 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, BeaverFever said: So did a thousand other things, including countless lies by the Right But that’s still not obstruction of justice except in right wing fascist land. BTW. A Republican House Oversight Committee investigated the laptop and concluded it did not contain any evidence of wrongdoing Biden’s tax and gun charges are not due to the laptop What lies? The right said the laptop was real and turns out it was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, robosmith said: It's REALLY IMPOSSIBLE to be "wrong" when they say they don't have the FACTS, just REASONS and EXPERIENCE. The FACT is, whether Russians tampered with the laptop with enough skill to HIDE it, is STILL UNKNOWN, no matter how CERTAIN you believe YOU are. It is not impossible to be wrong at all. They made a claim that was false. Instead of you dealing with that fact, you are here pathetically trying to cover for it. It is also still unknown if Aliens secretly tampered with it in a way that the could hide it! See how dumb this game is you are playing? There is zero evidence the Russians did anything to that laptop and what we know now is that it was in fact a real laptop that belonged to Hunter and it was not some Russian disinformation campaign. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 5 minutes ago, User said: It is not impossible to be wrong at all. They made a claim that was false. Instead of you dealing with that fact, you are here pathetically trying to cover for it. It is also still unknown if Aliens secretly tampered with it in a way that the could hide it! See how dumb this game is you are playing? There is zero evidence the Russians did anything to that laptop and what we know now is that it was in fact a real laptop that belonged to Hunter and it was not some Russian disinformation campaign. The gun charges are just a cover for the real crimes on that laptop Joe and the 51 intelligence officials are above the law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 He will do a little time. For the sake of the country and the Dem party. Joe knows that. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 19 minutes ago, West said: The gun charges are just a cover for the real crimes on that laptop Joe and the 51 intelligence officials are above the law The system is working the way it should and Hunter is being prosecuted for firearms and income tax violations. It pisses you off so much that all you have left is his laptop and its mythical crimes, which seems to be a nothing burger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, West said: Your leftist sites are often full of shit. If you actually wanted to make a dent in gun crimes you'd look at handgun restrictions. The problem with talking gun control with a raging leftist is they don't really understand the issue and are force fed bullshit on the issue. Several were not during that time jackass. You also made up the nonsense about there being a decline when in fact the evidence is not conclusive There are still restrictions on fully automatic riffles and calling them "military style" is misleading I didn't call them "military style" you did. But that is an accurate description. Your stupidity gives you no right to call others here names, since you are routinely WRONG and have been PROVEN IGNORANT about US history. 1 hour ago, West said: I don't want coke heads carrying around firearms. No one cares what you Canucks want for our country. Duh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, Aristides said: How so? He already had the gun. Do you really think an addict will care about today's ruling? Do you really think addicts never lie? Even you can't be that thick. How many addicts have been prosecuted for buying a gun who's name isn't Biden? According to Trey Gowdy, only a dozen or less are prosecuted per year. The vast majority were ALSO prosecuted for violence with the weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: That’s not true. He is still under indictment for tax issues which is a separate case set to take place in California in September. we'll see Quote So this is your official prediction that you’ll be held to? That i'll be 'held' to?!? What, is there some new york only law that says people who make predictions about democrats are committing a crime? LOL It's an educated guess, i have no idea what was negotiated behind the scene, but the sentence will be based on politics and that's a reasonable guess. for political reasons. They can't let him off scott free politically. So NO sentence is probably out They won't want him to become a news story during the election so having him 'released' during the election campaign is problematic. But i think it's safe to say daddy won't want him in jail for a year or more. we'll see how much time he actually spends in jail But one way or another i suspect we'll see this is over for him by the end of the year or such. And i have serious doubts he'll actually go to jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, User said: It is not impossible to be wrong at all. They made a claim that was false. Instead of you dealing with that fact, you are here pathetically trying to cover for it. It is also still unknown if Aliens secretly tampered with it in a way that the could hide it! See how dumb this game is you are playing? There is zero evidence the Russians did anything to that laptop and what we know now is that it was in fact a real laptop that belonged to Hunter and it was not some Russian disinformation campaign. I see you are making claims while citing ZERO evidence from the statement to support it, despite my posting a link to it. Put up or shut up. Duh 1 hour ago, West said: The gun charges are just a cover for the real crimes on that laptop Joe and the 51 intelligence officials are above the law Just keep digging that hole to deflect from the FACT you got BUPKIS. 🤮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 Dan Abrams states on ABC News that there has never been another case in which ANYONE was prosecuted for lying on the form when there was no crime USING the gun, and the person had no criminal record. IOW, an example is being made of Hunter for publicity to tar Joe. Of course, the blatant contrast between Joe's handling of this case and Trump's whining tantrums is making Trump look doubly bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 55 minutes ago, robosmith said: I see you are making claims while citing ZERO evidence from the statement to support it, despite my posting a link to it. Put up or shut up. Duh You are the one still pushing this as Russian disinformation. You put up or shut up. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, robosmith said: According to Trey Gowdy, only a dozen or less are prosecuted per year. The vast majority were ALSO prosecuted for violence with the weapon. Exactly, they were prosecuted for committing a crime after they bought the gun, not for buying it in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: Exactly, they were prosecuted for committing a crime after they bought the gun, not for buying it in the first place. They were prosecuted for BOTH, but the form violation was included as sentence enhancement. 6 minutes ago, User said: You are the one still pushing this as Russian disinformation. You put up or shut up. Quote where I said that or admit YOU'RE LYING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 5 minutes ago, robosmith said: Quote where I said that or admit YOU'RE LYING. "It's REALLY IMPOSSIBLE to be "wrong" when they say they don't have the FACTS, just REASONS and EXPERIENCE. The FACT is, whether Russians tampered with the laptop with enough skill to HIDE it, is STILL UNKNOWN, no matter how CERTAIN you believe YOU are." 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) 20 minutes ago, robosmith said: They were prosecuted for BOTH, but the form violation was included as sentence enhancement. Yes but they were only prosecuted for buying the gun after they had committed a crime with it. That's what passes for gun control with Republicans. Edited June 12 by Aristides 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 On 6/4/2024 at 9:35 PM, West said: It'll be interesting to see if they apply their screams for gun control to a member of their own They just f*king did, stupid. He's guilty on 3 charges of breaking what little "gun control" laws are in place, stupid. This place is a hotbed of the braindead thinking they're 'the true conservatives'..... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 27 minutes ago, Aristides said: Exactly, they were prosecuted for committing a crime after they bought the gun, not for buying it in the first place. I'm more worried about the influence peddling and the prosecutor allowing the statute of limitations to pass because the FBI chose to sit on the laptop for several months while peddling disinformation. Election interference and racketeering are the crimes BUPKIS 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Dan Abrams states on ABC News that there has never been another case in which ANYONE was prosecuted for lying on the form when there was no crime USING the gun, and the person had no criminal record. IOW, an example is being made of Hunter for publicity to tar Joe. Of course, the blatant contrast between Joe's handling of this case and Trump's whining tantrums is making Trump look doubly bad. Not surprised a far left loonies trying to downplay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 Deflect, deflect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, User said: "It's REALLY IMPOSSIBLE to be "wrong" when they say they don't have the FACTS, just REASONS and EXPERIENCE. The FACT is, whether Russians tampered with the laptop with enough skill to HIDE it, is STILL UNKNOWN, no matter how CERTAIN you believe YOU are." I stated FACTS, not your interpretation that I'm "pushing Russian disinformation." "they don't have the FACTS," and "is STILL UNKNOWN" is ONLY pushing the FACTS about what is NOT KNOWN, NOT drawing a conclusion that you're CLAIMING. Thanks for demonstrating your FAILURE to understand and desperation at pushing YOUR AGENDA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 59 minutes ago, West said: Not surprised a far left loonies trying to downplay Just STATING FACTS about the extreme rarity of no one else being prosecuted for what Hunter did. You're the one doing the down playing of the OVER CHARGING of Hunter. 🤮 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: Just STATING FACTS about the extreme rarity of no one else being prosecuted for what Hunter did. You're the one doing the down playing of the OVER CHARGING of Hunter. 🤮 No, it's very common to be charged for what hunter did. What's rare is that someone is ONLY Charged for what he did. I'm quite certain a plethora of additional charges could have been laid had they wished, but they just went with one charge. That's what's unusual about this, they didn't try and charge him with anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: we'll see That i'll be 'held' to?!? What, is there some new york only law that says people who make predictions about democrats are committing a crime? LOL It's an educated guess, i have no idea what was negotiated behind the scene, but the sentence will be based on politics and that's a reasonable guess. for political reasons. They can't let him off scott free politically. So NO sentence is probably out They won't want him to become a news story during the election so having him 'released' during the election campaign is problematic. But i think it's safe to say daddy won't want him in jail for a year or more. we'll see how much time he actually spends in jail But one way or another i suspect we'll see this is over for him by the end of the year or such. And i have serious doubts he'll actually go to jail. If there was a secret deal he wouldn’t have pleaded not guilty. I’ll remind you the attempt at a plea bargain FAILED because of concerns raised by the judge If the judge was in the Biden’s pocket that wouldn’t have happened What you’re doing is dodging the question because like most MAGAs you want to make baseless accusations and predictions and you don’t want to be held accountable when those claims turn out to be BS. You want to be able to shriek that he got some secret special treatment no matter what the sentence is. SO I ASK YOU AGAIN : Tell us what a reasonable sentence is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) MAGA’s Shocking New Lie About Hunter Biden Verdict Is Deeply Revealing Even the presidential son’s conviction is proof of a vast conspiracy against Donald Trump. It’s all about laying a pretext for Trump to go after Biden and Democrats. …It’s worth dwelling on how convoluted the new MAGA claim truly is. First, recall that the special counsel who secured Hunter Biden’s conviction, David Weiss, was originally appointed as a U.S. attorney by Trump. Did he deliberately handle his prosecutorial task skillfully in order to serve this sinister end of making the justice system appear balanced, thus secretly doing Biden’s 11-dimensional-chess bidding? What’s more, remember that the right exploded with fury last spring when prosecutors originally reached a plea deal with Hunter Biden (which subsequently fell apart), seeing the impulse to spare him a trial as another sign of a pro-Biden conspiracy. On top of that, during Hunter Biden’s trial, right-wing media figures relentlessly chargedthat Biden family members, including the president, were secretly trying to influence the jury and tamper with witnesses—more evidence of dark and dastardly Biden family machinations, this time geared toward getting Hunter Biden off. Now that the thing the MAGA right warned against (Hunter skating free) did not happen, it too has magically been repurposed into the same Biden-orchestrated conspiracy. Finally, recall that the MAGA right’s primary purpose in focusing so relentlessly on Hunter Biden has been to gin up a case for impeaching and prosecuting his father, mostly around a tortured series of claims about the Bidens’ foreign dealings. Why haven’t either of these things happened? Well, House Republicans failed to find any basis for impeachment after months of trying. Despite all that effort, they still haven’t found any grounds for criminal referrals about President Biden to the Justice Department (they have referredtheir claims about Hunter Biden). Meanwhile, another special counsel, Robert Hur, did not recommend charging the president with criminal mishandling of classified documents because he couldn’t find evidence of it. Hur, too, was originally appointed U.S. attorney by…President Trump. For the MAGA right, the problem here can’t possibly be that President Biden didn’t actually commit any crimes. It can only be that the Justice Department is too corrupted to prosecute them, and that House GOP leaders are too weak-kneed and feckless (another bizarre MAGA claim) to ferret them out themselves. Bizarrely, after all that, now that Hunter Biden actually has been found guilty of crimes, that also cannot possibly mean the justice system is operating as it should, because that would be exonerating to the president and affirm his claims that he is keeping his hands off the department. The enormous contortions required to portray the justice system as rigged at every turn show yet again that pretty much everything the MAGA right is saying about these matters is about laying a pretext for Trump, once back in office, to launch prosecutions of Biden and Democrats without cause, under the guise of tit-for-tat payback for something that wasn’t actually done to Trump and his followers. As I’ve argued, Trump and his MAGA allies relentlessly claim that he will seek “revenge” and exact “retribution” with such prosecutions, to reverse-engineer the deceptive impression that Trump was the victim of what he is threatening, i.e. prosecutions without a legitimate basis. Additionally, MAGA Republicans have constantly claimed that law enforcement has relentlessly targeted ordinary conservative parents (which is a lie) and that the prosecutions of January 6 rioters are illegitimate (they are absolutely in keeping with the rule of law). The sum total of all this monumental deception is that Trump and his followers are being massively victimized by our justice system, and that only carrying out mass prosecutions against the opposition will set that right. That the president’s son was found guilty by a jury of his peers who evaluated actual evidence presented by prosecutors—just as happened to Trump in his hush money trial—is kryptonite to this sleazy scam. Nothing is more devastating to the MAGA worldview than the idea that the justice system is actually functioning fairly. https://newrepublic.com/article/182603/hunter-biden-verdict-guilty-trump Edited June 12 by BeaverFever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 12 hours ago, Aristides said: The system is working the way it should and Hunter is being prosecuted for firearms and income tax violations. It pisses you off so much that all you have left is his laptop and its mythical crimes, which seems to be a nothing burger. He's Joe's fall boy again. Imagine being that sick that you use your own son to cover yourself. Joe isn't a man, he's a coward 9 hours ago, CdnFox said: No, it's very common to be charged for what hunter did. What's rare is that someone is ONLY Charged for what he did. I'm quite certain a plethora of additional charges could have been laid had they wished, but they just went with one charge. That's what's unusual about this, they didn't try and charge him with anything else And ran out the clock on Joe's crimes in the process 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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