The fix is in for Hunter Biden

[West]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

A. You cannot demonstrate that the lied, and indeed it's very unlikely that they did. You're welcome to believe they were wrong, but that's a different matter.

B. Their "titles" as retired or non-active intelligence personnel have no bearing on the situation. 

C. Even if BOTH of those points were true and relevant, it would in no way would it have impeded any investigation. That's absurd. Utterly ridiculous. I ridicule thee!

It's propaganda from lying propagandists. Grow yourself in your critical thinking skills

[Hodad]

58 minutes ago, West said:

There you have it. It's their right to sell out the presidency to a hostile foreign government, Democrats gleefully exclaim 

Hunter Biden is not Joe Biden. Hunter Biden is a private citizen. 

Trump and Kushner both, on the other hand, did direct business with China and Chinese interests. Some of it while in the White House in evident quid-pro-quo.

If you were actually concerned about any of this, that's what should really outrage you. But you're not actually concerned about it. You're just looking for some way to smear Joe Biden. The Republican house zoo has come up empty over and over again, but I'm sure you'll crack the case!🙄

4 minutes ago, West said:

It's propaganda from lying propagandists. Grow yourself in your critical thinking skills

You are welcome to hold that opinion. 

But you sound like an ignorant buffoon when you start saying that the government should prosecute people for sharing their opinions. 

[West]

14 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Hunter Biden is not Joe Biden. Hunter Biden is a private citizen. 

Trump and Kushner both, on the other hand, did direct business with China and Chinese interests. Some of it while in the White House in evident quid-pro-quo.

If you were actually concerned about any of this, that's what should really outrage you. But you're not actually concerned about it. You're just looking for some way to smear Joe Biden. The Republican house zoo has come up empty over and over again, but I'm sure you'll crack the case!🙄

You are welcome to hold that opinion. 

But you sound like an ignorant buffoon when you start saying that the government should prosecute people for sharing their opinions. 

What you or I are doing is sharing opinions. 

What an intelligence officer with security clearance does when they give an illusion of expertise while covering up crimes is called obstruction. 

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Yes you are VERY STUPID if you believe that a JoSCOTUS taking bribes to stay on the court is the same as Hunter (private citizen) pursuing business in China. LMAO

Here you go again. I have already had this discussion with you before. Bribe has a very distinct definition. It is not a bribe to go on vacations with your rich friend. 

Calling me stupid doesn't change the stupidity of your comments here. 

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

And New York state election laws. Only a violation of the Federal law you cite if it was NOT REPORTED which of course it WAS NOT.

Where is it lawful to claim hush money payments as a campaign expense in New York?  He can't legally report it as a campaign expense... because it was not one. 
 

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Not reporting self-financed campaign expenditures is illegal.

Why do you believe you know the law when you clearly DO NOT?

Paying hush money to someone is not a campaign expense. 

[Hodad]

17 minutes ago, West said:

What you or I are doing is sharing opinions. 

What an intelligence officer with security clearance does when they give an illusion of expertise while covering up crimes is called obstruction. 

There were no active intelligence officers signatory to that letter. They had no access to secure information. They were just people with opinions.

And, again, you clearly have no idea whatsoever what "obstruction" means. Private citizens sharing their opinions--regardless of any claimed titles--has absolutely no ability to obstruct an investigation. 

Start with the basics:

Obstruction is a broad crime that may include acts such as perjury, making false statements to officials, witness tampering, jury tampering, destruction of evidence, and many others. Obstruction also applies to overt coercion of court or government officials via the means of threats or actual physical harm, and also applying to deliberate sedition against a court official to undermine the appearance of legitimate authority.^{[citation needed]}

[West]

5 minutes ago, Hodad said:

There were no active intelligence officers signatory to that letter. They had no access to secure information. They were just people with opinions.

And, again, you clearly have no idea whatsoever what "obstruction" means. Private citizens sharing their opinions--regardless of any claimed titles--has absolutely no ability to obstruct an investigation. 

Start with the basics:

Obstruction is a broad crime that may include acts such as perjury, making false statements to officials, witness tampering, jury tampering, destruction of evidence, and many others. Obstruction also applies to overt coercion of court or government officials via the means of threats or actual physical harm, and also applying to deliberate sedition against a court official to undermine the appearance of legitimate authority.^{[citation needed]}

You continue to run cover instead of just accepting the obvious. Very shameful and dishonest

[Hodad]

8 minutes ago, West said:

You continue to run cover instead of just accepting the obvious. Very shameful and dishonest

🤣What's "obvious" is that you're just running around spouting off nonsense you heard someone say on TV or received in your chain emails. I have no interest in your wildly improbable conspiracy theories.

And regardless, none of it would be obstruction of justice or any impediment to an investigation. That's beyond stupid. And that's why you can't present even a single rational example of how an open letter impedes an investigation. 

Edited June 12 by Hodad

[West]

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

🤣What's "obvious" is that you're just running around spouting off nonsense you heard someone say on TV or received in your chain emails. I have no interest in your wildly improbable conspiracy theories.

And regardless, none of it would be obstruction of justice or any impediment to an investigation. That's beyond stupid. And that's why you can't present even a single rational example of how an open letter impedes an investigation. 

😆. 

Says the guy defending the rejects who pushed the Russian conspiracy theory 

[robosmith]

28 minutes ago, User said:

Here you go again. I have already had this discussion with you before. Bribe has a very distinct definition. It is not a bribe to go on vacations with your rich friend. 

Says you. Thomas let it be known that he needed more money or he would leave the court.

Crow who had business before the court then "befriended" Thomas and offered him ALL SORTS of favors to the tune of $4 MILLION and Thomas didn't even disclose most of it.

That is NOT just "go on vacation with your rich friend." That is a violation of the ethics code in force for ALL OTHER FEDERAL JUDGES. 

IOW, you really are thick headed.

28 minutes ago, User said:

Calling me stupid doesn't change the stupidity of your comments here. 

No, because it's your comments which are IGNORANT.

28 minutes ago, User said:

Where is it lawful to claim hush money payments as a campaign expense in New York?  He can't legally report it as a campaign expense... because it was not one. 

You don't understand how it affected the election? Really?

28 minutes ago, User said:

Paying hush money to someone is not a campaign expense. 

Anything spent to affect the election outcome is a campaign expense.

THINK! 

If you're really that dumb, there is no point to my further discussing that issue with a M0R0N.

[robosmith]

20 minutes ago, West said:

😆. 

Says the guy defending the rejects who pushed the Russian conspiracy theory 

Do you really not understand the extensive EVIDENCE of Russian collusion?

Or just believe you can wish it away by claiming it doesn't exist? LMAO

[West]

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you really not understand the extensive EVIDENCE of Russian collusion?

Or just believe you can wish it away by claiming it doesn't exist? LMAO

Man are you under a delusion

Edited June 12 by West

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure, normally you'd also charge people with cocaine possession or smoking crack or the like...   hmmmm. 

Sure if he was caught in a drug sting and then they happened to discover the gun, but that’s not what happened was it?  You can’t charge someone for drug possession because they had drugs in the past, you have to actually catch them with drugs in their possession. Don’t you know that?

 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's absurd dumbocrat logic to pretend that's what i said. 

That’s what your ridiculous argument amounts to. 
 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Trump didn't find his notebook, trump didn't write the texts where he admits doing drugs, trump didn't try to write off hookers as a business expense on his taxes, trump didn't write the emails which his business partner says refers to giving his daddy part of his influence money, trump  etc etc etc.  I mean there's the fara issues, and dozens more on TOP of the tax issues he's going to court for. 

I really don't give a crap about trump. But anyone with a rational brain can see this guy is NOT some sort  of innocent saint as you suggest who's being railroaded by trump. 

*Don’t be silly. Not ONE person on this thread has said Hunter was innocent or a saint  
 

However law enforcement and a Trump-appointed prosecutor did not just conveniently happen to stumble across Hunter Biden’s misdeeds. Trump allies went looking for dirt on the Bidens. Perhaps Hunter’s escapades were already widely known in certain circles so they knew where to look from the start but the point is Hunter’s apparent crimes were discovered because Republican officials were actively hunting for a Biden.  A jury has found him guilty of the gun charges and a jury will decide if he’s guilty of the tax charges.  Liberals are able to say that with maturity and don’t need to scream made-up conspiracies and bogus claims of people being framed the way conservatives do whenever they hear something they don’t like and  are doing now about Hunter’s conviction. 
 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This guy is a criminal who did a lot of criminal things and yet got charged with a  throwaway charge

The fact is you have no idea what he has or hasn’t done and your claims of secret evidence that has been suppressed is just more made-up MAGA conspiracy nonsense 

[Hodad]

35 minutes ago, West said:

😆. 

Says the guy defending the rejects who pushed the Russian conspiracy theory 

Well, it's evident to all here that you're just spouting nonsense at this point. You have nothing remotely resembling an argument as to how the letter constitutes an obstruction of justice. 

I suppose you can celebrate that kind of ignorant twaddle if you like. Just be aware of how it makes you look.

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, West said:

Man are you under a delusion

No. I read the EVIDENCE that you always IGNORE.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

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Sure if he was caught in a drug sting and then they happened to discover the gun, but that’s not what happened was it?  You can’t charge someone for drug possession because they had drugs in the past, you have to actually catch them with drugs in their possession. Don’t you know that?

 

That isn't even remotely true  

 

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That’s what your ridiculous argument amounts to. 

No that was your argument. I never said any such thing 
 

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*Don’t be silly. Not ONE person on this thread has said Hunter was innocent or a saint  

You pretty much did.  ONLY POSSIBLE CRIME!!!!  is the gun crime. Nope.  POOR MAN UNJUSTLY TARGETED BY EVIL MAAAAAAGGAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!   nope.   The guy is a scumbag criminal. 
 

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However law enforcement and a Trump-appointed prosecutor did not just conveniently happen to stumble across Hunter Biden’s misdeeds. Trump allies went looking for dirt on the Bidens. Perhaps Hunter’s escapades were already widely known in certain circles so they knew where to look from the start but the point is Hunter’s apparent crimes were discovered because Republican officials were actively hunting for a Biden.

Who was that exactly?

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A jury has found him guilty of the gun charges and a jury will decide if he’s guilty of the tax charges

Sure,  Gun crimes are real crimes that are frequently laid.  Tax crimes are real crimes that are frequently laid.  "felony accounting" really hasn't come up before   LOLOL

but i don't think anyone said he won't face trial. I think what people are anticipating is that at the end of the day he won't face much in the way of punishment for it.   I mean - he didn't even pay the back taxes, a rich democrat supporter did that for him. ANd i doubt he'll actually spend much time in jail. 
 

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The fact is you have no idea what he has or hasn’t done and your claims of secret evidence that has been suppressed is just more made-up MAGA conspiracy nonsense 

But that isn't a fact. I've already noted other crimes he could be charged for and haven't even scratched the list. And the evidence isn't secret.  

The problem with you is you think you can dismiss anything at all that you don't want to face or address by using the word 'maga.  I"m not 'maga' anything. 

Sometimes when I read your stuff I think you have the potential to be a strong thinker. Which is why I spend time speaking with you on occasion. But you have these weird bad habits that you really need to get out of the way in order to learn to be a more effective thinker. And you can't just dismiss everything you don't like as Maga

[West]

12 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Well, it's evident to all here that you're just spouting nonsense at this point. You have nothing remotely resembling an argument as to how the letter constitutes an obstruction of justice. 

I suppose you can celebrate that kind of ignorant twaddle if you like. Just be aware of how it makes you look.

No, its evident that Brennan tried to cover his own ass by concocting another conspiracy theory about a very real laptop. 

[User]

26 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Says you. Thomas let it be known that he needed more money or he would leave the court.

No, that is not what he said. It was reported that he discussed with a lawmaker saying Judges need more money or 1-2 might leave. 

So what?

Judges are allowed to talk about their pay conditions. 

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Crow who had business before the court then "befriended" Thomas and offered him ALL SORTS of favors to the tune of $4 MILLION and Thomas didn't even disclose most of it.

No, you are conflating this timeline. He had no business before the court; that money was over 20 years of friendship. They were friends for years before Thomas made any comment about needing more pay. 1996 - Became friends. 2000 was when he commented about needing more pay. 2005 was the court case that Crows parent company had a non controlling interest in and that Crow himself had nothing to do with.

Seriously, you are a complete waste of time. You just spew garbage and then run away when I repeatedly have to correct you in thread after thread.
 

46 minutes ago, robosmith said:

That is NOT just "go on vacation with your rich friend." That is a violation of the ethics code in force for ALL OTHER FEDERAL JUDGES. 

IOW, you really are thick headed.

So what? That was not a violation for Thomas. 

And no, there are limitations on gifts, but none like you say for all federal judges:https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/vol02c-ch06.pdf

 

52 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Anything spent to affect the election outcome is a campaign expense.

THINK! 

If you're really that dumb, there is no point to my further discussing that issue with a M0R0N.

This is absurd nonsense. A politicians entire life could impact the election outcome. They need a house to live in... they need to eat... 

You are being absurd. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That isn't even remotely true  

Absolutely true. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You pretty much did.  ONLY POSSIBLE CRIME!!!!  is the gun crime. Nope.  POOR MAN UNJUSTLY TARGETED BY EVIL MAAAAAAGGAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!   nope.   The guy is a scumbag criminal. 

So now you’re just lying about what I said in to your absurd logic that if someone doesn’t agree to whatever made-up criminal accusations you want to invent then it means they’re saying he’s completely innocent of everything including what he’s been convicted of. 
 

Shameful tactic. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Who was that exactly?

You’re asking who the prosecutor was?  David Weiss, a Trump-appointed Republican 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Sure,  Gun crimes are real crimes that are frequently laid.  Tax crimes are real crimes that are frequently laid.  "felony accounting" really hasn't come up before   LOLOL

Are you for real?  People get convicted on felony charges for fraudulent bookkeeping ALL THE TIME.  It’s the probably the most common white collar crime.  Seriously give your head a shake  

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

but i don't think anyone said he won't face trial. I think what people are anticipating is that at the end of the day he won't face much in the way of punishment for it.   I mean - he didn't even pay the back taxes, a rich democrat supporter did that for him. ANd i doubt he'll actually spend much time in jail. 

 

Well he won’t get the death penalty or life in prison so that pretty much guarantees that Republicans will scream conspiracy. n matter what. He k even if he did, they’d still scream conspiracy. 
 

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

But that isn't a fact. I've already noted other crimes he could be charged for and haven't even scratched the list. And the evidence isn't secret.  

No you’re just parroting Republican propaganda. Look I will repeat the key word for you:    YOU….YOU….YOU don’t know what he has done or not done or what any evidence for these claims might be. Since none of these alleged additional “crimes” have resulted in charges how do YOU happen to know about them?  Similar to your constant inability to tel the difference between facts and your personal opinions you also don’t seem able to differentiate between what you actually know and what other biased sources have told you. Get it?

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The problem with you is you think you can dismiss anything at all that you don't want to face or address by using the word 'maga.  I"m not 'maga' anything. 

No what you describe is the MAGA tactic of dismissing anything they don’t want to believe and you follow it to a tee even if you don’t want to identify as a MAGA

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Sometimes when I read your stuff I think you have the potential to be a strong thinker. Which is why I spend time speaking with you on occasion. But you have these weird bad habits that you really need to get out of the way in order to learn to be a more effective thinker. And you can't just dismiss everything you don't like as Maga

I am a strong and effective thinker but if you don’t want to be called MAGA don’t allege conspiracies and assert imaginary accusations based on imaginary evidence with circular logic Claiming without evidence that certain heinous crimes occurred and then that lack of charges, convictions, and evidence for those crimes proves there’s a conspiracy is typical MAGA. Also claiming that the word of hyper-partisan operatives such as Dinesh D’Souza, Tucker Carlson etc constitutes “evidence” is also typical MAGA.   If you don’t want to be called a MAGA them stop arguing like one.  

[herbie]

Gee, using this law they got Hunter on more than half the gang members in the USA should already be under lock and key.

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Absolutely true. 
 

So now you’re just lying about what I said in to your absurd logic that if someone doesn’t agree to whatever made-up criminal accusations you want to invent then it means they’re saying he’s completely innocent of everything including what he’s been convicted of. 
 

Shameful tactic. 
 

You’re asking who the prosecutor was?  David Weiss, a Trump-appointed Republican 

Are you for real?  People get convicted on felony charges for fraudulent bookkeeping ALL THE TIME.  It’s the probably the most common white collar crime.  Seriously give your head a shake  

 

 

Well he won’t get the death penalty or life in prison so that pretty much guarantees that Republicans will scream conspiracy. n matter what. He k even if he did, they’d still scream conspiracy. 
 

 

No you’re just parroting Republican propaganda. Look I will repeat the key word for you:    YOU….YOU….YOU don’t know what he has done or not done or what any evidence for these claims might be. Since none of these alleged additional “crimes” have resulted in charges how do YOU happen to know about them?  Similar to your constant inability to tel the difference between facts and your personal opinions you also don’t seem able to differentiate between what you actually know and what other biased sources have told you. Get it?

 

No what you describe is the MAGA tactic of dismissing anything they don’t want to believe and you follow it to a tee even if you don’t want to identify as a MAGA

 

I am a strong and effective thinker but if you don’t want to be called MAGA don’t allege conspiracies and assert imaginary accusations based on imaginary evidence with circular logic Claiming without evidence that certain heinous crimes occurred and then that lack of charges, convictions, and evidence for those crimes proves there’s a conspiracy is typical MAGA. Also claiming that the word of hyper-partisan operatives such as Dinesh D’Souza, Tucker Carlson etc constitutes “evidence” is also typical MAGA.   If you don’t want to be called a MAGA them stop arguing like one.  

Might be easier to read this way:

Not true in the slightest. Your delusions are not to be confused with everyone else's reality

No, i'm asking who these alleged agents that were scouring the world for dirt on binden were. You claimed that republican agents have been ripping the planet apart looking for dirt on hunter and that's who came up with this information they forwarded.  What's the name of that person or persons?

No, i'm telling the truth about what you said.  You're painting Hunter as this poor individual who only ever committed this paperwork offense who's being harassed by the MAAAAAAGAAAAAA people.   And that is what you've been portraying him as. If you actually agree with me that he's a criminal dirtbag with likely more crimes than this under his belt then we can carry on. 

And no - nobody gets convicted of 'felony bookkeeping'.  They get convicted of tax evasion. In fact there's no crime at all in what trump did outside of new york, anywhere else you can keep your books however you like as long as you report your taxes correctly.  Lets be clear here - nobody said he actually hid anything for TAXES.  NOBODY gets charged for this.  AND - it would normally be a misdemeanor but they've mashed in other "Crimes" that they did not need to prove in order to make this a felony.  It's a total joke of a prosecution. 

So you're wrong - this is a very unique charge. 

And oh look -  you're back to hunter is a poor innocent who's being unfairly targeted by... ME apparently according to you  I guess i work for trump now? I mean why not if you're just going to make shit up.  But as to hunter there is evidence of many other crimes - but he's not been charged for them. 

And what i describe is you.  YOU YOU YOU  as YOU might say   that is what you're doing.  So if you disapprove of that then do differently 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Gee, using this law they got Hunter on more than half the gang members in the USA should already be under lock and key.

This is such an ignorant comment. 

Most of those gang members are already illegally in possession of guns and breaking numerous other laws. No one needs to use these laws to get them, the left wing DA's already can get them but they are peddling their soft on crime policies instead. 

They catch them, let them go on no bail, and they are back on the streets killing people. 

 

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Nixon was hiding crime what Trump was hiding isnt a crime.

Sure thing, MAGA legal expert.  
New York has laws. 
Trump broke them 

 

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Absolutely true. 
 

So now you’re just lying about what I said in to your absurd logic that if someone doesn’t agree to whatever made-up criminal accusations you want to invent then it means they’re saying he’s completely innocent of everything including what he’s been convicted of. 
 

Shameful tactic. 
 

You’re asking who the prosecutor was?  David Weiss, a Trump-appointed Republican 

Are you for real?  People get convicted on felony charges for fraudulent bookkeeping ALL THE TIME.  It’s the probably the most common white collar crime.  Seriously give your head a shake  

 

 

Well he won’t get the death penalty or life in prison so that pretty much guarantees that Republicans will scream conspiracy. n matter what. He k even if he did, they’d still scream conspiracy. 
 

 

No you’re just parroting Republican propaganda. Look I will repeat the key word for you:    YOU….YOU….YOU don’t know what he has done or not done or what any evidence for these claims might be. Since none of these alleged additional “crimes” have resulted in charges how do YOU happen to know about them?  Similar to your constant inability to tel the difference between facts and your personal opinions you also don’t seem able to differentiate between what you actually know and what other biased sources have told you. Get it?

 

No what you describe is the MAGA tactic of dismissing anything they don’t want to believe and you follow it to a tee even if you don’t want to identify as a MAGA

 

I am a strong and effective thinker but if you don’t want to be called MAGA don’t allege conspiracies and assert imaginary accusations based on imaginary evidence with circular logic Claiming without evidence that certain heinous crimes occurred and then that lack of charges, convictions, and evidence for those crimes proves there’s a conspiracy is typical MAGA. Also claiming that the word of hyper-partisan operatives such as Dinesh D’Souza, Tucker Carlson etc constitutes “evidence” is also typical MAGA.   If you don’t want to be called a MAGA them stop arguing like one.  

You can't call CdnFox a liar, that's his thing.

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You can't call CdnFox a liar, that's his thing.

Only with liars   You know - like people who claim that you need 100 km of room behind a new dam while discussing a dam that's built 25 km away from an existing one, or that there's no place in bc for another dam    That kind of person. 

Edited June 13 by CdnFox

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Only with liars   You know - like people who claim that you need 100 km of room behind a new dam while discussing a dam that's built 25 km away from an existing one, or that there's no place in bc for another dam    That kind of person. 

BC imported 20% of its power last year because of drought and this year will likely be worse but can supposedly double its generating power with run of river. There really is no real place left to dam the Peace, east of the Rockies it is a slow flowing river without a deep valley or much elevation change. 

Your go to when anyone disagrees with you is to call them a liar. That is why I had you on ignore and why you are going back.

Edited June 13 by Aristides