Liberal Climate Activist Greta Thunberg calls for insurrection against western democracies

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

"Little Greta" has more brains and balls than anyone of the deniers sticking to their guns in 2022. She's definitely not all that interested in the opinions of old farts who fished out all the cod, the salmon, pumped 70 years of lead into the air, she's motivating young people.

Because her parents generation forgot they could or should even try to do things to improve life if it wasn't cost effective.

Wah those 3rd world people should be happy cooking roasted bugs over fires using our scrap plastic... why should I have to help them?

Ya here comes the old farts thing , fuc* them boomers, or the generations before them, those guys that built what we have today so you can sit on your mom's couch and type this bullSh** in on some forum. all that cod, salmon that feed your gob for years while you were growing up... I know your parents forced you to eat all that food. now you blame the last generation for the globes condition. you have not contributed to the problem at all. it';s hard to point out the Canadians in the crowd they are the ones pointing their fingers at everyone else. 

 

 

[dialamah]

24 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Ya here comes the old farts thing , fuc* them boomers, or the generations before them, those guys that built what we have today so you can sit on your mom's couch and type this bullSh** in on some forum. all that cod, salmon that feed your gob for years while you were growing up... I know your parents forced you to eat all that food. now you blame the last generation for the globes condition. you have not contributed to the problem at all. it';s hard to point out the Canadians in the crowd they are the ones pointing their fingers at everyone else. 

 

 

Wouldn't you be a little upset if your parents and grandparents had ruined the property you were to inherit, making it valueless and unlivable?  Wouldn't you look at them as the reason why?  I don't blame anyone coming after my generation for blaming us - we had the best in the way of material riches, giving little thought to the future, and now the younger generations will be the ones to pay.

[herbie]

The circle jerk of deniers rises in a NATO like club in it's own defence!

Ayeeee any criticism if capitalist excess is an endorsement of Josef Stalin - ackkk we're not OLD we just think like 19th centurians - EGGGHHHK making them clean up after themselves is a war on oil WAKKK Nazi Greens - URRKK there are no droughts there are no floods and washouts there are no hurricanes it's ALL Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau... 

listen to your own sad and sorry responses. Sad enough to not make the slightest attempt to DO anything about a real problem, but spout endless hours of utter bullshit trying to discourage others from even trying... Can'tservatives, Won'tservatives

[Army Guy]

12 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Wouldn't you be a little upset if your parents and grandparents had ruined the property you were to inherit, making it valueless and unlivable?  Wouldn't you look at them as the reason why?  I don't blame anyone coming after my generation for blaming us - we had the best in the way of material riches, giving little thought to the future, and now the younger generations will be the ones to pay.

I was a huge climate change fan, i bought solar panels to power my home, got a massive heat pump, pellet stoves, had my home spray foamed for the extra r value, purchased high efficient appliances, the only thing i did not do was buy a Pruis that's not happening. I love the outdoors, i hunt, fish and would be content just living off the land. 

Now i question the whole climate change issue, to a massive money-making machine where very little goes into preventing climate change globally. here in Canada, we are content to hack off the arm that feeds us, to please a few disenchanted, brain washed extremists to push an agenda that the majority will say HHHRRRAAAHHH climate change is real mother trucker...until they say this is what it is going to cost then the slowly close the door and you're talking to the doorbell cam. 

and for the most part the majority is happy with all the action the government has taken today... I mean have you seen the COP's number on where Canada sits in progress with climate change near the bottom. Russia is ahead of us with China just below us, does that sound like a nation that is serious about climate change. 

I have not heard one Canadians complain about how much it cost us to get to this point in our lives, or for the most part our quality of lives, which is due to generations before us building what we have today. How many people give the future a second thought when providing for their family of right now. did i think how much carbon went into building my solar panals, or how the earth was affected by building with wood, nope not a second thought. 

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Anything to not talk about Climate Change I guess...

If somebody points at a Meteor coming at earth make sure to take her down based on age and character first and foremost...

If they have nothing of value to add to what a hundred thousand smarter, more knowledgeable people are saying about the meteor then.. yes, ignore her.

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's also easier to cheat on your taxes than to cheat out of an international agreement.  My point is that collective agreements amount to "the whole is greater than the parts"

I disagree. It's much easier to cheat on an international agreement because there's no penalty for doing so, no enforcement mechanism. The Chinese do it all the time. And even if they did sign an agreement to reduce their emissions they would cheat on it if they saw it as being in their interests.

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

So - yes, obviously Canada is a small part of this.  But that's a component of all collaboration.  So I don't see how it is a saleable point about an international agreement where everyone contributes according to their country's level.

Because of the 180 countries on Earth only about thirty are contributing anything at all. While many of the others are pulling hard in the opposite direction.

Edited November 16, 2022 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Wouldn't you be a little upset if your parents and grandparents had ruined the property you were to inherit, making it valueless and unlivable?  

The world is neither valueless nor unlivable and is not going to become so.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

The circle jerk of deniers rises in a NATO like club in it's own defence!

The only one that seems to be in denial about anything here is you. At least about the value of NATO and the threat from Russia.

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Ayeeee any criticism if capitalist excess is an endorsement of Josef Stalin -

Nobody said that but you. You seem to have a gift for twisting every reasonable disagreement with you into some kind of hyperbolic exaggeration and distortion of what other people say. Even as you singularly fail to respond with any intelligent counter.

2 hours ago, herbie said:

ackkk we're not OLD we just think like 19th centurians - EGGGHHHK making them clean up after themselves is a war on oil WAKKK Nazi Greens - URRKK there are no droughts there are no floods and washouts there are no hurricanes it's ALL Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau... 

listen to your own sad and sorry responses. Sad enough to not make the slightest attempt to DO anything about a real problem, but spout endless hours of utter bullshit trying to discourage others from even trying... Can'tservatives, Won'tservatives

That's untrue, as well. We simply disagree with the stupid path you and others have determined on because, well, numbers. We like numbers and yours don't work. We like reality and you don't.  You and many of the other climate alarmists are fixated on a fantasy of how things work and refuse to listen to contrary views.

 

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. You DO realize he bought a pipeline right ?  Right ?

He bought a pipeline that already existed but was being expanded, the Trans Mountain Pipeline.  He killed the proposed Northern Gateway Pipeline, imposed a tanker ban on the west coast, and killed the proposed Energy East pipeline.

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

The world is neither valueless nor unlivable and is not going to become so.

It will be for many people, and potentially for everyone - climate change has caused mass extinctions before, and why should humans be spared?  

But for me, personally, the scenario of societal collapse and billions dead seems most likely.  

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

1. I disagree. It's much easier to cheat on an international agreement because there's no penalty for doing so, no enforcement mechanism.  

 

1. Ok, you got me there.  What I should have said is that it's easier for an individual to avoid detection, and that there's less risk of reputation loss.  

[OftenWrong]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I disagree. It's much easier to cheat on an international agreement because there's no penalty for doing so, no enforcement mechanism. The Chinese do it all the time. And even if they did sign an agreement to reduce their emissions then would cheat on it if they saw it as being in their interests.

Because of the 180 countries on Earth only about thirty are contributing anything at all. While many of the others are pulling hard in the opposite direction.

When I pay taxes there's the understanding I get better roads, garbage pickup, education and health care.

Paying carbon tax, I don't see where the money goes.

Just another liberal false equivalency.

Edited November 16, 2022 by OftenWrong

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

The circle jerk of deniers rises in a NATO like club in it's own defence!

Ayeeee any criticism if capitalist excess is an endorsement of Josef Stalin - ackkk we're not OLD we just think like 19th centurians - EGGGHHHK making them clean up after themselves is a war on oil WAKKK Nazi Greens - URRKK there are no droughts there are no floods and washouts there are no hurricanes it's ALL Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau... 

listen to your own sad and sorry responses. Sad enough to not make the slightest attempt to DO anything about a real problem, but spout endless hours of utter bullshit trying to discourage others from even trying... Can'tservatives, Won'tservatives

Childish and desperate.

https://unherd.com/thepost/bjorn-lomborg-7-myths-about-climate-change/

Now son...go take a Midol and quit acting like a spoiled little brat.

[Zeitgeist]

It’s about time Herbie’s mommy and daddy cut off his internet until he puts down the bong and gets a job.

[Legato]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

The circle jerk of deniers rises in a NATO like club in it's own defence!

Ayeeee any criticism if capitalist excess is an endorsement of Josef Stalin - ackkk we're not OLD we just think like 19th centurians - EGGGHHHK making them clean up after themselves is a war on oil WAKKK Nazi Greens - URRKK there are no droughts there are no floods and washouts there are no hurricanes it's ALL Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau... 

listen to your own sad and sorry responses. Sad enough to not make the slightest attempt to DO anything about a real problem, but spout endless hours of utter bullshit trying to discourage others from even trying... Can'tservatives, Won'tservatives

Translation......my bong is clogged.

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, dialamah said:

It will be for many people, and potentially for everyone - climate change has caused mass extinctions before, and why should humans be spared?  

But for me, personally, the scenario of societal collapse and billions dead seems most likely.  

That is based on climate alarmism so-called journalists spew out for clicks. The UN panel on climate change doesn't even suggest anything along those lines. 

You also fail to take into account just how adaptable mankind is to a change which will be very slow and incremental.

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

That is based on climate alarmism so-called journalists spew out for clicks. The UN panel on climate change doesn't even suggest anything along those lines. 

You also fail to take into account just how adaptable mankind is to a change which will be very slow and incremental.

I take the adaptability of mankind into account, that's why I don't think the entire human race will be wiped out.

Anyway, if I'm wrong about societal collapse and billions dying, so much the better.  But the question won't be answered in my lifetime, or yours, I'm sure.

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

I take the adaptability of mankind into account, that's why I don't think the entire human race will be wiped out.

Anyway, if I'm wrong about societal collapse and billions dying, so much the better.  But the question won't be answered in my lifetime, or yours, I'm sure.

Nope. The people making predictions about what the world will be like 80 years in the future are going to be just as wildly off as the ones who predicted the future in 1940. We can't know the future.

I just know numbers. And by the numbers, nothing we do is going to have any influence. And the only way I'll accept joining in a community effort is if the community joins in. And it's not. China will build 100 new coal plants this year. So will the rest of Asia. I'm not sure how much CO2 100 new coal plants put out but I bet it'll more than enough to make up for everything we've done or plan to do this decade.

The IEA notes that, in the decade to 2021, total installed coal-fired generation doubled. The agency called it the “fastest increase” in coal capacity since the technology was invented in the late 19th century. Rapid population growth and industrialization in the developing world can explain much of the rise.

Edited November 16, 2022 by I am Groot

[dialamah]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Nope. The people making predictions about what the world will be like 80 years in the future are going to be just as wildly off as the ones who predicted the future in 1940. We can't know the future.

I just know numbers. And by the numbers, nothing we do is going to have any influence. And the only way I'll accept joining in a community effort is if the community joins in. And it's not. China will build 100 new coal plants this year. So will the rest of Asia. I'm not sure how much CO2 100 new coal plants put out but I bet it'll more than enough to make up for everything we've done or plan to do this decade.

The IEA notes that, in the decade to 2021, total installed coal-fired generation doubled. The agency called it the “fastest increase” in coal capacity since the technology was invented in the late 19th century. Rapid population growth and industrialization in the developing world can explain much of the rise.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.  

[ironstone]

On 11/15/2022 at 7:15 PM, dialamah said:

Wouldn't you be a little upset if your parents and grandparents had ruined the property you were to inherit, making it valueless and unlivable?  Wouldn't you look at them as the reason why?  I don't blame anyone coming after my generation for blaming us - we had the best in the way of material riches, giving little thought to the future, and now the younger generations will be the ones to pay.

Would the world be a better place if there had never been any kind of industrial revolution? It did lift countless millions out of poverty and give them a better standard of living. I can't speak for you, but I don't want to live a third world lifestyle in a cold climate like Canada has.

People like Greta should be thankful for all the luxuries that surround her, thanks to oil and gas and the industrial revolution.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Would the world be a better place if there had never been any kind of industrial revolution? It did lift countless millions out of poverty and give them a better standard of living. I can't speak for you, but I don't want to live a third world lifestyle in a cold climate like Canada has.

People like Greta should be thankful for all the luxuries that surround her, thanks to oil and gas and the industrial revolution.

I think it would have been better if the industrial revolution had unfolded more slowly. We could have benefitted from a lot more social evolution.

I'm reminded of the question Jody Foster's character in the movie Contact would ask of the advanced aliens 'how did you do it, how did you survive your species adolescence without destroying yourself'?

[Infidel Dog]

The world was going to get warmer following the Little Ice Age with or without the Industrial Revolution.

Actual, for real, climate changes with or without man's influence. That doesn't mean man can't influence it. It just means climate will change with or without them. How much influence does man have on climate? Who knows? Not the Politically charged "experts" who feed chicken littles like Greta - and those gullible enough to think she has a clue - with politically endorsed bits of panic porn they call "the science."

I say "The Science" as opposed to actual science which questions according to the scientific method.

Edited November 20, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[herbie]

On 11/15/2022 at 7:48 PM, blackbird said:

He bought a pipeline that already existed but was being expanded, the Trans Mountain Pipeline.  He killed the proposed Northern Gateway Pipeline, imposed a tanker ban on the west coast, and killed the proposed Energy East pipeline.

Yes. He did everything we wanted!

[SpankyMcFarland]

One small step for Mann…

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US climate scientist Michael Mann has prevailed in a lawsuit that accused two conservative commentators of defamation for challenging his research and comparing him to a convicted child molester. A jury awarded Mann, who is based at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, more than US$1 million in a landmark case that legal observers see as a warning to those who attack scientists working in controversial fields, including climate science and public health.

 

Death threats, trolling and sexist abuse: climate scientists report online attacks

“It’s perfectly legitimate to criticize scientific findings, but this verdict is a strong signal that individual scientists shouldn’t be accused of serious misconduct without strong evidence,” says Michael Gerrard, a legal scholar at Columbia University’s Sabin Center for Climate Change Law in New York City.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00396-y