Emergency Act commission

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

There is a very fair point to be made that mass immigration, if it comes too fast and furious, creates serious social tensions and cultural conflict, especially from parts of the world that don’t share our liberal-democratic values or where disdain towards the “colonial” founding cultures of England and France is prevalent.

Nonsense, it'll come from the folks warning that a storms been a-comin' for decades. 3/4's of them must be using walkers to get around by now.

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These are things worth considering if you believe there’s a Canadian culture worth preserving and that this isn’t just International Tax Jurisdiction 1867.

I'd rather Canada become a nation cultivating a human view that encompasses a pale blue dot's perspective.

Edited October 27, 2022 by eyeball

[West]

RCMP is now saying EA wasn't necessary. Lefties keep losing

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, Moonbox said:

You're tripping over semantics.  When I referred to "extreme ideology, whatever that may be," I was saying that it can span any number of different worldviews.  I explained the term.  I explained the differences between what you think it means and what it actually means.  I even gave you a really clear example (the feminist flasher) and compared her to an ISIS suicide bomber.  Both are extremists, only one is a terrorist.  If that doesn't register with you, I'm afraid this is purely a you problem.  

The only thing that's over the top is your insistence on misunderstanding the term and applying unintended meaning towards it as a source for your outrage.  

That's actually a really good question, but one (probably) without a satisfying answer.  The base word "extreme" is inherently subjective and relative,  so it's very much a matter of perspective and degrees.  Being an anti-abortionist doesn't make you an extremist, for example, but spending your time heckling women at abortion clinics and telling them they're going to burn in hell for it (IMO) does.  

 lets leave it there, you have failed at convincing me, and i failed to convince you.  i personal think your definition is wrong, a stretch by all means when used in the context that the Canadians conveyers were extreme. maybe it makes them a little nuts, but extremist i don't think so. Not extreme enough to declared it a matter of national security. 

BLM movement when they burnt down a city, murdered people in the streets, for days on end, and demanded defund the police that was extreme. Russia invading Ukraine that was extreme, having some protestors keep you awake a night are jackasses at best...see the difference is your perception of the acts and the definition.. 

 

 

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Do you really want to?

Ya i want to i value Moonboxes opinion, or i would not be posting to him, i just don't think that he is right in this case.

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

More to the point, "no trade" with China would tank the economy, period.

Populists suggest that we should make everything domestically.  And as to where the Capital would come from to create this home side industry, and how it would be managed, the answer has to be massive government intervention in markets.

So revealing, this paradox.  They hate Trudeau, and yet under this vision he would lead Soviet Canuckistan, and decide who wins and loses...

You seem to think we could switch it all off overnight not the case at all, it took generations to build this current mess, and the pandemic quickly showed us that our reliance on a massive supply chain spread across the globe is not reliable in crises or time when needs change quickly. 

It would take government /private business, along with consumer base to change it over a long period of time. And the answer does not have to include building it at home, thanks to climate change and carbon taxes no one wants to soak up all of that in the manufacturing portion. Another more friendly nation would be preferred, as we see already happening with large corps moving out of China.

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

 lets leave it there, you have failed at convincing me, and i failed to convince you.  i personal think your definition is wrong, a stretch by all means when used in the context that the Canadians conveyers were extreme. maybe it makes them a little nuts, but extremist i don't think so. Not extreme enough to declared it a matter of national security. 

BLM movement when they burnt down a city, murdered people in the streets, for days on end, and demanded defund the police that was extreme.

Extreme is blowing stuff up, in your case out of proportion.

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The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful

The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) analyzed more than 7,750 Black Lives Matter demonstrations in all 50 states and Washington D.C. that took place in the wake of George Floyd’s death between May 26 and August 22.

Their report states that more than 2,400 locations reported peaceful protests, while fewer than 220 reported “violent demonstrations.” The authors define violent demonstrations as including “acts targeting other individuals, property, businesses, other rioting groups or armed actors.” Their definition includes anything from “fighting back against police” to vandalism, property destruction looting, road-blocking using barricades, burning tires or other materials. In cities where protests did turn violent—these demonstrations are “largely confined to specific blocks,” the report says.

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

 

 

26 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Ya i want to i value Moonboxes opinion, or i would not be posting to him, i just don't think that he is right in this case.

I don't believe you really value his opinion at all if you need to stoop to the extreme point of insisting BLM burned a city down when they clearly didn't.

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Extreme is blowing stuff up, in your case out of proportion.

 

I don't believe you really value his opinion at all if you need to stoop to the extreme point of insisting BLM burned a city down when they clearly didn't.

I guess the media is full of shit then.... goggle has shit tons more 

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=2084804d29f48de5JmltdHM9MTY2Njc0MjQwMCZpZ3VpZD0xNjRjNmYzYi05OWYzLTY5NDgtMjBiYS03ZmFjOTg1OTY4ODAmaW5zaWQ9NTI4MA&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=164c6f3b-99f3-6948-20ba-7fac98596880&psq=BLM+burns+city&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9yZWRzdGF0ZS5jb20vbmljay1hcmFtYS8yMDIwLzA4LzI1LzkwNTEyNS1uMjUyMzc0&ntb=1

BLM protesters shout 'burn it down' as they start fires in the street near Portland police precinct | Daily Mail Online

BLM Burns Down Kenosha -- A City of 100,000 -- With Police and National Guard Deployed – RedState

Washington BLM leader urges rioters to 'burn White House down' in viral video: 'Ready to put police in the grave' | MEAWW

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I guess the media is full of shit then.... goggle has shit tons more 

BLM Burns Down Kenosha -- A City of 100,000 -- With Police and National Guard Deployed – RedState

They burnt the whole city down? Every BLM protester in America was there?  You realize you're talking about 20 million people right?

100000 people were left homeless?  An entire city burned to the ground should be visible from space.  There must be dozens of pictures. How many do you have?

Do you see how easy it is to realize you're talking nonsense with even a minimal amount of critical thought? 

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

 lets leave it there, you have failed at convincing me, and i failed to convince you.

I don't get the impression you were really open to being convinced, honestly.  

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

i personal think your definition is wrong, a stretch by all means when used in the context that the Canadians conveyers were extreme.

My definition is the actual definition, but I suppose it's easier to just have your own personal opinions on what words mean as it suits you.  I very clearly explained the difference between what you think the word means and what it actually means.  I gave you an example twice that highlighted that difference, and you casually shrugged it off without even acknowledging it.

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

maybe it makes them a little nuts, but extremist i don't think so. Not extreme enough to declared it a matter of national security. 

Being "a little nuts" is a surefire predictor of extremism. I'll concede to you at least that the EMA wasn't necessary to deal with the trucker protest, but in the same way that I don't think the army needs to be called to deal with Green Peace extremists.  

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, Contrarian said:

A judge leading the federal inquiry into the Liberal government’s use of a special emergency law to end the ‘Freedom Convoy’ protests has agreed to hear evidence from Canada’s spy agency at a secret hearing.

In a ruling made public late Wednesday, Justice Paul Rouleau said the federal government asked for a secret hearing — behind closed doors and without other parties present — in order for his commission counsel to examine employees of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service on evidence related to the convoy protest that the agency claims is classified. 

It all centres around evidence not yet tabled at the inquiry.

And it is unclear what is the subject of the CSIS intelligence that the spy agency wants to protect.

After Rouleau’s commission lawyers told the government they intend to examine CSIS witnesses and a witness from the Integrated Terrorism Assessment Centre on both versions, the federal government of Canada asked Rouleau to bar the public and other parties from any cross-examination on the classified version, claiming disclosure of the information “would be injurious to the national security.”

The Star (newspaper in Toronto, Ontario).

https://www.thestar.com/amp/politics/federal/2022/10/26/emergencies-act-inquiry-to-hear-csis-evidence-on-freedom-convoy-in-secret.html

CSIS...the escape hatch for Pixie-Dust being created?

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

They burnt the whole city down? Every BLM protester in America was there?  You realize you're talking about 20 million people right?

100000 people were left homeless?  An entire city burned to the ground should be visible from space.  There must be dozens of pictures. How many do you have?

Do you see how easy it is to realize you're talking nonsense with even a minimal amount of critical thought? 

Do you see how easy it is to realize you're covering for a Libbie terrorist organization?

[ExFlyer]

14 hours ago, Goddess said:

I think extremists are people who hold extreme beliefs but don't act out violently on them.

....

Just this week, again, Trudeau has doubled down on being a terrorist government,  threatening lockdowns, restrictions, business closures if 90% of Canadians dont get jabbed every 3-6 months. For the rest of their lives, I presume, since Zero Covid is a scientifically proven extreme belief.

B.S.

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, West said:

RCMP is now saying EA wasn't necessary. Lefties keep losing

BS

"asked Bernier whether he thought the federal legislation was necessary to end the Ottawa blockades. The office replied: “Hard for me to say.”

“I did not get to do the operation without it ? I don’t know what complications I would have had, had it not been in place and I utilized the common law,”"

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

or maybe they found a FSB or CCP connection. Beijing and Moscow are not good friends of Ottawa.

Let me give you my conspiracy theory:?

Some money funneling?! Maybe Beijing or Moscow used so called "patriots" in the United States to funnel this money in as many donations came from the US aswell?

All speculation and theories of course, but for me that would be one logical explanation as to why this act was pushed through with the risk of bad public optics and political cost which will impact the Liberal Party in future elections. 

Plainly ->  your idea for "freedom" might have been on authoritarian money.

And Plainly -> we'll never know because it's all gonna happen behind closed doors. 

Also Plainly -> you seem to have a reason for trying to squelch anything that smacks of disobedience to the Libbie doctrine. 

I wonder what that could be...

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

The Liberal Party lost the Ontario elections and in my view will lose the next few elections. 

Present your theory.

Why would CSIS mentioned this is classified and the judge agreed for this material to be behind closed doors?

They are are a spy agency which deal with other foreign spies. 

This is mine:

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or maybe they found a FSB or a CCP connection.

Beijing or Moscow are not good friends of Ottawa.

Let me give you my conspiracy theory: ?

Some money funneling?! Maybe Beijing or Moscow used so called "patriots" in the United States to funnel this money in as many donations came from the US aswell?

All speculation and theories of course, but for me that would be one logical explanation as to why this act was pushed through with the risk of bad public optics and political cost which will impact the Liberal Party in future elections. 

Plainly ->  your idea for "freedom" might have been on authoritarian money.

I don't trust CSIS. Trust is EARNED...and CSIS lost mine years ago.

[Zeitgeist]

51 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I don't trust CSIS. Trust is EARNED...and CSIS lost mine years ago.

Yeah sketchy organization.  I still remember when they basically installed a fake white supremacist with a fledgling white supremacist organization that then thrived under the influence of the fake.  It looked like they created a problem so they could solve it.  I guess it’s hard to justify paying for fire trucks if there aren’t any fires or they’re usually more like smoking barbecues than actual fires.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

B.S.

Enjoy your 10 covid jabs.

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Enjoy your 10 covid jabs.

Ha!

Called out for your BS (again) and you change subject. Nice try at deflection LOL

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I don't trust CSIS. Trust is EARNED...and CSIS lost mine years ago.

How can an agency shrouded in secrecy "earn" trust??

You (and I) really have no idea what they know, what they deal with, who they deal with, what they can and cannot make public.

[ExFlyer]

10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yeah sketchy organization.  I still remember when they basically installed a fake white supremacist with a fledgling white supremacist organization that then thrived under the influence of the fake.  It looked like they created a problem so they could solve it.  I guess it’s hard to justify paying for fire trucks if there aren’t any fires or they’re usually more like smoking barbecues than actual fires.

??

 Where did you get that?

Are you saying using undercover people and sources is not a common and acceptable tactic?

How do you know what they know, how they operate and what information is provided to government? You work there or have a spy there or?????    Blowing smoke

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

How can an agency shrouded in secrecy "earn" trust??

You (and I) really have no idea what they know, what they deal with, who they deal with, what they can and cannot make public.

Ya except...I have a general idea of the things CSIS gets up to. For instance...privacy is a fantasy and has been for several decades now.

[Goddess]

15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Ha!

Called out for your BS (again) and you change subject. Nice try at deflection LOL

 

Typing "BS" with no explanation or rebuttal is calling someone out to you?  Do you EVER have anything intelligent to add to a discussion?  You need constant attention to your inanity, like a 3 year old.  So here you go - here's all the attention you're gonna get from me.  Enjoy.  And don't forget your wubbie today.

10 days ago:

 

[West]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

BS

"asked Bernier whether he thought the federal legislation was necessary to end the Ottawa blockades. The office replied: “Hard for me to say.”

“I did not get to do the operation without it ? I don’t know what complications I would have had, had it not been in place and I utilized the common law,”"

Nonsense.. 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-emergencies-act-inquiry-lucki/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Zeitgeist]

19 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

This is a movie that they would play at the local FSB station of spies in Crimea.

Which operation is this one? and who leaked it? they have recordings? 

It was all over the CBC.  I remember seeing the news segment.  The guy who infiltrated felt a lot of guilt.  It’s well documented. https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/lbrr/archives/jl 86.s4 s43 1994-eng.pdf

 

[Zeitgeist]

35 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

How can an agency shrouded in secrecy "earn" trust??

You (and I) really have no idea what they know, what they deal with, who they deal with, what they can and cannot make public.

The problem with such organizations is that they can easily become unaccountable.  The CIA had its own military forces and got up to so many things that the public knew nothing about and might not support.  Watch The Year of Living Dangerously.  The FBI under Hoover were pretty rogue.  Eisenhower warned the public before he left office of the military industrial complex.  Anyway, I don’t pretend to know what any of these organizations are up to or how accountable they are today.  

Edited October 27, 2022 by Zeitgeist