Moonbox Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 4 hours ago, myata said: There's no logical relativism here no matter how much you like to sound smart. Because I do use facts and logic while you, pretty much never only hollow claims. No you don't. You offer exaggerated hyperbole and repeat vague complaints ad nauseum. The Emergency Act was a mistake and an overreach but that doesn't signal an end to democracy and you screaming into your pillow over it doesn't change anything. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
eyeball Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: Many of your posts seem to express a desire for an independent body to hold people in government accountable. How would such a body be selected? Who would hold such a body accountable? Who would watch the watchers? How large a group woud this be? They would be looking over the shoulders of thousands of legislators and government employees. How much would this extra layer of government cost? What could they do that the existing checks and balances can't? Remember what happened to the CIA when some one turned James Jesus Angleton lose to root out enemy moles. How would you prevent the same paralysis from happening in the governments of Canada. It would be us if everything in the public's domain was, you know, public. In theory it should be a hell of a lot less to souveil the government than it does to surveil the entire population. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
myata Posted October 31, 2022 Author Report Posted October 31, 2022 8 hours ago, ExFlyer said: And enough Canadians still vote them in.... 3 times In China they vote"" too. As in Russia. Wow, surprise! Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted October 31, 2022 Author Report Posted October 31, 2022 8 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: Being an MP is a hard life where everyone you are trying to help calls you a liar and a crook. But, it is even harder on your family. Your children, who never get to see you, get bullied in school. You get death threats daily and if you happen to be female, the threats can be terrible. None of this answers an obvious question: why, how pseudo-representatives appointed by Central Committee then paid obscenely and watched every step to stay strictly in the line could perform, even theoretically and remotely any functions of independent checks on the system? How could total and absolute dependency produce anything independent? Answer: only in a pretty picture book. Cannot exist in the reality. Simply precluded by logic. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted October 31, 2022 Author Report Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Moonbox said: The Emergency Act was a mistake and an overreach but that doesn't signal an end to democracy There could be a nuance here, can something end that never began? Independent checks on governments providing real and everyday accountability, simply don't exist here and never have. Majority PM have near-absolute powers that is covered by cute rules and conventions that can be.. OK overcome on a whim (just as seen). Courts in some other places reacted to attempts of overreach and abuse within days. All is clear here... only another decade or two. This is a joke of course, a parody of democracy. Pretty signs, words in a book do not make it and never made it. China and Russia have signs and words. This is the kind of a democracy we're heading toward and War Measures for a trivial epidemics - Sweden never had a single mandate, is just another sure sign, a token to that. Useless chitchatting after the fact is not the same as finding, checking and arresting abuses of power by governments before they happen. Just doesn't exist as a notion. Just couldn't get it, the difference. And more, there's precious nothing to check the progression. Never was in the plan, to think, design and create. No, the plan has been that no change is needed or will ever be. It was perfect already back then, two or three centuries. Colonial. Edited October 31, 2022 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
ExFlyer Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 7 hours ago, myata said: In China they vote"" too. As in Russia. Wow, surprise! Ahhh, you are saying our elections are like the ones in China and Russia? So, you have some proof/evidence/indication of that or is that another of your rectal plucks?? Oh no, you cannot provide that?? Wow, surprise! LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
myata Posted October 31, 2022 Author Report Posted October 31, 2022 49 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Ahhh, you are saying our elections are like the ones in China and Russia? Parallels and similarities, certainly. Obviously even. If you can "vote", but the choice is limited to one option, that's China and Russia. And if your options are limited to two near identical choices, that would be Canada. The result: exclusion of meaningful choice is the same, methods can be different, but that's already cultural/traditional etc. And no number or duration of talking head shows can add anything to the basic fact: meaningful choice does not exist, eliminated. And it doesn't just happen by itself mind you, there's very elaborated system of hooks, spins and crooks that works and worked from day one to prevent any possibility of a meaningful change. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
ExFlyer Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, myata said: Parallels and similarities, certainly. Obviously even. If you can "vote", but the choice is limited to one option, that's China and Russia. And if your options are limited to two near identical choices, that would be Canada. The result: exclusion of meaningful choice is the same, methods can be different, but that's already cultural/traditional etc. And no number or duration of talking head shows can add anything to the basic fact: meaningful choice does not exist, eliminated. And it doesn't just happen by itself mind you, there's very elaborated system of hooks, spins and crooks that works and worked from day one to prevent any possibility of a meaningful change. Are you still sleeping and dreaming?? "options are limited to two near identical choices,"? In what dream did that come from? "there's very elaborated system of hooks, spins and crooks that works and worked from day one to prevent any possibility of a meaningful change." What "hooks, spins and crooks" are you imagining?? Do you actually live in Canada?? It seems not if you imagine all the BS you accuse it of. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Queenmandy85 Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 8 hours ago, myata said: This is the kind of a democracy we're heading toward and War Measures for a trivial epidemics - Sweden never had a single mandate, is just another sure sign, a token to that. Sweden had twice as many cases per capita as Canada and a death toll per capita almost double that in Canada. You trivialize a deadly pandemic. 2 Quote Socialism is the opiate of the intellectual class.
Moonbox Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 8 hours ago, myata said: There could be a nuance here, can something end that never began? Independent checks on governments providing real and everyday accountability, simply don't exist here and never have. Majority PM have near-absolute powers that is covered by cute rules and conventions that can be.. OK overcome on a whim (just as seen). Courts in some other places reacted to attempts of overreach and abuse within days. All is clear here... only another decade or two. Speaking of nuance, you show none. You hysterically exaggerate both the power the PM wields as well as the scale and consequences of the Emergency Act overreach/abuse. By your telling, we're just a step away from Trudeau making "undesirables" like Tamara Lich and Pat King disappear (like in China or Russia) but a reasonable person knows this isn't the case. 2 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
ExFlyer Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 20 hours ago, myata said: None of this is a mystery. There are plenty of examples. Need only two things: honesty and will. Really. But everybody in this country knows that nothing can be changed for real. It means that the above is basically, dishonest. You don't care about how the system can be change in the meaningful way; only proving that what you had 200 years back is the best we can ever have. To yourself only, and for the umptieth time of course because such proof does not and cannot exist in reality. Dinosaurs know. Name one. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
West Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 The press is already saying the trucker testimony won't be "truthful".. running cover for the criminal PM.. the sooner the media gets cleaned up the better.. throw the press on trial for war crimes Quote
Moonbox Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, West said: The press is already saying the trucker testimony won't be "truthful".. running cover for the criminal PM.. the sooner the media gets cleaned up the better.. throw the press on trial for war crimes Okay Mr. Hysterical. As usual, we can always count on you for level-headed and totally-not-emotional contributions to the debate. ? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
ExFlyer Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, West said: The press is already saying the trucker testimony won't be "truthful".. running cover for the criminal PM.. the sooner the media gets cleaned up the better.. throw the press on trial for war crimes What press? Right wing specials?? LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
myata Posted October 31, 2022 Author Report Posted October 31, 2022 5 hours ago, Moonbox said: Trudeau making "undesirables" like Tamara Lich and Pat King disappear Indeed they do, only in a different way and you fail to even try to notice the reality. 1. Only Trudeaus of Canada have any chance to rule - they made sure of that on the day one of quasi-democracy. 2. Trudeaus can designate their opponents with any labels and crimes ("mysogynists", etc) without any accountability or responsibility. When, where did you see them take any real responsibility for their words and acts? The take: you are deliberately blind to the reality. You want to remain that way. It will make sure that you'll notice it, eventually. Always works that way. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted October 31, 2022 Author Report Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: Sweden had twice as many cases per capita as Canada and a death toll per capita almost double that in Canada. So let's have a martial law on the number of flu cases! And why not, in a great democracy? Need only a tad of flu-scare propaganda pump chug-chug. Whatever works, no limits. Edited October 31, 2022 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Queenmandy85 Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, myata said: Trudeaus can designate their opponents with any labels and crimes ("mysogynists", etc) without any accountability or responsibility. When, where did you see them take any real responsibility for their words and acts? By opponents, do you mean the people who call the Prime Minister a traitor and war criminal? Or how about those people who call the Finance Minister a traitor and a Nazi? You mean those opponents? Quote Socialism is the opiate of the intellectual class.
Queenmandy85 Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, myata said: So let's have a martial law on the number of flu cases! And why not, in a great democracy? Need only a tad of flu-scare propaganda pump chug-chug. Whatever works, no limits. The last time, the only time, we have ever had martial law in Canada was in the Lower Canada rebellion in 1837-38. What is it about the deaths of 40,000 Canadians that doesn't seem to bother you? You seem to have the attitude of let people die, let the healthcare system collapse. Quote Socialism is the opiate of the intellectual class.
Moonbox Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, myata said: 2. Trudeaus can designate their opponents with any labels and crimes ("mysogynists", etc) without any accountability or responsibility. When, where did you see them take any real responsibility for their words and acts? They're words. You're going hysterical over words and hyperbole, when that's generally all you yourself have to offer the debate. When are we going to hold people accountable for calling Trudeau or his supporters Fascists? ? 30 minutes ago, myata said: The take: you are deliberately blind to the reality. You want to remain that way. It will make sure that you'll notice it, eventually. Always works that way. Your take = hysterics and hyperbole unworthy of much attention. The adults will talk and you can rant incoherently in the background all you like. Edited October 31, 2022 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
myata Posted October 31, 2022 Author Report Posted October 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: By opponents, do you mean the people who call the Prime Minister a traitor and war criminal? They're absolutely worth "misogynists" PM. That kind, and level of democracy as seen (with eyes, when available). Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted October 31, 2022 Author Report Posted October 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Moonbox said: They're words. WTH? Invoking Emergency WAR measures on a flu-like epidemics because nothing less worked was "only words"? You are waiting for something real, good then? And won't notice anything less? Good luck! Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Moonbox Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, myata said: WTH? Invoking Emergency WAR measures on a flu-like epidemics because nothing less worked was "only words"? You are waiting for something real, good then? And won't notice anything less? Good luck! No, that part was an overreach. We've already been over that. This is has little/nothing to do with the labels you were whining about. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
West Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: What press? Right wing specials?? LOL Saw it on the ctv while enjoying my burrito. Don't generally watch far left news.. I come on here to know exactly what nonsense they are spewing Quote
West Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: Okay Mr. Hysterical. As usual, we can always count on you for level-headed and totally-not-emotional contributions to the debate. ? Lol.. you are the one throwing around terms like "occupation". Must get that off ctv news.. heard that a few times Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 31, 2022 Report Posted October 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, West said: Saw it on the ctv while enjoying my burrito. Don't generally watch far left news.. I come on here to know exactly what nonsense they are spewing Be still my heart....on MSM??? You agree with MSM??? What has become of you LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
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