Queenmandy85 Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 There is the story of the muleskinner who said, "First you have to get their attention." I am probably wrong, but to me, it seems the EMA finally got the attention of the occupiers. As has been pointed out at the inquiry, if the police already had the resources in place to clear the streets without the EMA, why didn't they? Quote A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I admit, I have not watched every minute of testimony but did see enough and followed on the recaps. to know what was said. So no, they did not say it wasn't necessary. Some said they were not sure it was needed. What is clear is that all 3 police agencies did not communicate and even the RCMP commissioner said so in emails to Ministers the day before they enacted EMA. The RCMP knew they were in trouble trying to enforce the area. The OPP said they had 24 tow companies that could tow vehicles but they also said those operators were scared of any aggressiveness that may occur and would rather not begin towing. With EMA, they had the protection. That was all in testimony this past week. All people charged (over 500) were charged under existing laws and bylaws. No narratives debunked as no one said anyone was charged with unlawful protest, not one official person. So basically what you are saying is incompetence from the police is now grounds for invoking the EA? If they didn't want trucks down there they should've done a better job not get violent against a group of protesters. And yes the narrative was debunked. The EA was used without even 1 charge of unlawful gathering/protest. Parking violations aren't ground for invoking the EA as has been said repeatedly. Trudeau stacked the witnesses and the judge yet still comes out looking like the tyrant he is. Edited October 29, 2022 by West 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said: There is the story of the muleskinner who said, "First you have to get their attention." I am probably wrong, but to me, it seems the EMA finally got the attention of the occupiers. As has been pointed out at the inquiry, if the police already had the resources in place to clear the streets without the EMA, why didn't they? Because it wasn't illegal and the EA was simply political? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said: There is the story of the muleskinner who said, "First you have to get their attention." I am probably wrong, but to me, it seems the EMA finally got the attention of the occupiers. As has been pointed out at the inquiry, if the police already had the resources in place to clear the streets without the EMA, why didn't they? Thats a good question, what they have uncovered so far is they did have the resources, and a plan to end all of this before the EMA, however they did not receive finically minister approval for the tow truck companies and their unlimited liability for damages then and in the future. Justin had taken that call the night before the city could put in place an agreement for the protestors to start collapsing their footprint.,i don't know why as it has not been discussed yet. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Thats a good question, what they have uncovered so far is they did have the resources, and a plan to end all of this before the EMA, however they did not receive finically minister approval for the tow truck companies and their unlimited liability for damages then and in the future. Justin had taken that call the night before the city could put in place an agreement for the protestors to start collapsing their footprint.,i don't know why as it has not been discussed yet. Justin was well aware of the deal made to limit the footprint and the mayor of Ottawa was well aware it would take time to implement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 Very well thought out article on the police stating the EA was not necessary and why invoking the EA was a joke https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-ludicrous-to-call-the-freedom-convoy-an-occupation?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1666972972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted October 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 On 10/26/2022 at 1:58 PM, Moonbox said: That's actually a really good question, but one (probably) without a satisfying answer. The base word "extreme" is inherently subjective and relative, so it's very much a matter of perspective and degrees. Let's try it in the contest of the thread. What makes a citizen who came to a peaceful protest against government abuse of power, "an extremist"? And where, important? Only in Iran, Russia and China this happens? Or we only thought so? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 30 minutes ago, myata said: Let's try it in the contest of the thread. What makes a citizen who came to a peaceful protest against government abuse of power, "an extremist"? And where, important? Only in Iran, Russia and China this happens? Or we only thought so? What makes them extremists are their views. The folk who convinced themselves COVID was a deep fake, that we have a fascist government, that Sandy Hook was a hoax - pick your poison. We're talking the absurd conspiracy clown parade. You don't have to burn a building down to be an extremist. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted October 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: What makes them extremists are their views. Sounds great! So we need an authorized authority, no doubt with outrageous salaries and benefits, to pronounce judgements on citizens views. Good citizens, and not so, extremist ones. Can it work any other way? China North? Edited October 29, 2022 by myata 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Moonbox said: What makes them extremists are their views. The folk who convinced themselves COVID was a deep fake, that we have a fascist government, that Sandy Hook was a hoax - pick your poison. We're talking the absurd conspiracy clown parade. You don't have to burn a building down to be an extremist. Nah extremist views are carding people for their health status before entering an aircraft or sitting at a table in a restaurant 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 12 hours ago, West said: So basically what you are saying is incompetence from the police is now grounds for invoking the EA? If they didn't want trucks down there they should've done a better job not get violent against a group of protesters. And yes the narrative was debunked. The EA was used without even 1 charge of unlawful gathering/protest. Parking violations aren't ground for invoking the EA as has been said repeatedly. Trudeau stacked the witnesses and the judge yet still comes out looking like the tyrant he is. On the contrary. If you have been watching, it must come clear to you that so far, the testimony is all about the first weekend and the assumed and predicted situations and plans. The events that first weekend happened after have not really been discussed so far. It is clear by Sloly's testimony that they never expected the protest to go beyond the first weekend. All agency plans were in line with that opinion. Yes, there have been opinions but they have been contradicted by various speakers. The only thing that has become obvious so far is the complete disconnection between the various enforcement agencies. So no, I do not or did not say police incompetence was the sole reason for invoking the EMA. It may have been a factor. Another factor, yet to be discussed is the border closure issues at 2 provinces. They may have been the driver but we do not know yet. 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: On the contrary. If you have been watching, it must come clear to you that so far, the testimony is all about the first weekend and the assumed and predicted situations and plans. The events that first weekend happened after have not really been discussed so far. It is clear by Sloly's testimony that they never expected the protest to go beyond the first weekend. All agency plans were in line with that opinion. Yes, there have been opinions but they have been contradicted by various speakers. The only thing that has become obvious so far is the complete disconnection between the various enforcement agencies. So no, I do not or did not say police incompetence was the sole reason for invoking the EMA. It may have been a factor. Another factor, yet to be discussed is the border closure issues at 2 provinces. They may have been the driver but we do not know yet. The port closures were already cleared without use of the EA. And to be clear this is about whether or not the EA was warranted, not how bad people who think differently than you are. Edited October 29, 2022 by West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 More and more this is looking simply like Trudeau had a temper tantrum and the War Measures BS was him attacking his perceived critics and enemies. 2 2 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, West said: The port closures were already cleared without use of the EA. And to be clear this is about whether or not the EA was warranted, not how bad people who think differently than you are. Incorrect. They were opened when the EMA was enacted on 14 and 15 Feb. Yes, the commission and inquiry it is about the necessity of the EMA but, the testimony is not there yet. Than me? It is not about my opinion. I am just watching and listening to the testimony and wanting to know who, what , when , where and why of the event by and from the actual people that were there every day.... not tictokers, fascetimers or tweeters making comments on forums. At lest 4 more weeks of questions and answers to come....from all sides. 1 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 Trudeau seems unable to get the various police departments to take the blame...so to speak...as he expected them to. This is just making him more deranged as his most recent performances in the HoC demonstrate. But I'm sure his few remaining diehard supporters think he's still got all his marbles. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Trudeau seems unable to get the various police departments to take the blame...so to speak...as he expected them to. This is just making him more deranged as his most recent performances in the HoC demonstrate. But I'm sure his few remaining diehard supporters think he's still got all his marbles. How do you come to that conclusion? The testimony so far is what led up too the first weekend of the event. What it has, so far, established the disarray between the various enforcement agencies. 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 Just now, ExFlyer said: How do you come to that conclusion? The testimony so far is what led up too the first weekend of the event. What it has, so far, established the disarray between the various enforcement agencies. I have a brain? I don't see any cop taking the fall for the much beloved dear leader. You're free to point out one I might have missed. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 34 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I have a brain? I don't see any cop taking the fall for the much beloved dear leader. You're free to point out one I might have missed. I am sure you have a brain so hopefully you will use it. I am not going to argue with you nor make predictions. i will wait and see the other peoples testimony. I do not see anyone "taking the fall" fro anyone. They are all being asked questions and responding under oath. Not sure what you are expecting from me except to tell you there is a lot of testimony to come and your crystal ball gazing is meaningless to me. I will wait till it is over and the report comes out to make my mind up. 1 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 Just now, ExFlyer said: I am sure you have a brain so hopefully you will use it. I am not going to argue with you nor make predictions. i will wait and see the other peoples testimony. I do not see anyone "taking the fall" fro anyone. They are all being asked questions and responding under oath. Not sure what you are expecting from me except to tell you there is a lot of testimony to come and your crystal ball gazing is meaningless to me. I will wait till it is over and the report comes out to make my mind up. The Fascist-style show trial will get the results it wants, ultimately. Witches will burn. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The Fascist-style show trial will get the results it wants, ultimately. Witches will burn. Not using that brain you say you have? Crystal ball gazing is not using it, that is for sure Edited October 29, 2022 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 Just now, ExFlyer said: Not using that brain you say you have again. I accept that you have nothing to add except personal insults. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 6 hours ago, myata said: Sounds great! So we need an authorized authority, no doubt with outrageous salaries and benefits, to pronounce judgements on citizens views. Good citizens, and not so, extremist ones. Can it work any other way? China North? That's an interesting take. For people so concerned about wokeness and word-policing, it's pretty funny how you'd get your panties all twisted over this one highly subjective word. ? 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I accept that you have nothing to add except personal insults. No personal insult at all, just an observation. Making predictions on what the report, due next February, is going to state is crystal ball gazing, not using a brain. 1 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 There have been many like yourself through history. For a time, you will triumph and people will burn. Enjoy your moment. It will not last. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: For a time, you will triumph and people will burn. Enjoy your moment. It will not last. the God of the Hebrews, our vindicator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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