Emergency Act commission

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the God of the Hebrews, our vindicator

 

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

faith & science are not in conflict

the laws of psychics themselves break down, over & over

you cannot see the singularity at the core of a black hole

any information which escapes, Hawking radiation, is scrambled

it does not record what passed through the threshold into the next world

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

faith & science are not in conflict

the laws of psychics themselves break down, over & over

you cannot see the singularity at the core of a black hole

any information which escapes, Hawking radiation, is scrambled

it does not record what passed through the threshold into the next world

 

James Burke's two great TV series were about how truth is rather flexible according to the time you live in. We all know that the Earth goes around the Sun. But there was a time we thought the opposite. What would it look like if the Sun went around the Earth? Well...exactly the same as it does now...fancy that.

 

Edited October 29, 2022 by DogOnPorch

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

James Burke's two great TV series were about how truth is rather flexible according to the time you live in. We all know that the Earth goes around the Sun. But there was a time we thought the opposite. What would it look like if the Sun went around the Earth? Well...exactly the same as it does now...fancy that.

our ultimate orbit is around Sagittarius A

the super massive black hole at the centre of the Milky Way

we complete the orbit, once every 230 million years

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

our ultimate orbit is around Sagittarius A

the super massive black hole at the centre of the Milky Way

we complete the orbit, once every 230 million years

 

I made an add-on for Celestia that populates our galactic core which meshed with another fellow's model of Sag A*. It was a lot of work...

Anyways...off topic.

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Anyways...off topic.

back on topic

the Liberals are full of sh*t, everything they said about the Freedom Convoy was a lie

according to the Chief Intelligence Officer of the Ontario Provincial Police

the motto of the Province of Ontario being : "Ut incepit fidelis sic permanet"

"Loyal She Began, Loyal She Remains"

[myata]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

For people so concerned about wokeness and word-policing, it's pretty funny how you'd get your panties all twisted over this one highly subjective word.

Are you missing the fact that this innocent word pumped out of all realistic meanings and proportions was used as a rationale for unprecedented government overreach that just happened before our eyes?

[Moonbox]

8 hours ago, myata said:

Are you missing the fact that this innocent word pumped out of all realistic meanings and proportions was used as a rationale for unprecedented government overreach that just happened before our eyes?

The only people who pumped the word out of proportion were the butthurt whiners complaining about it.  Though the Emergency Act was (IMO) clear and obvious government overreach, calling the protestors extremists was not the rationale for removing them.  The fact that the Ambassador Bridge got closed and that downtown Ottawa grinded to a halt for 3 weeks was why they were removed.  

The fact that the term hurt your poor feelings is nobody's problem but yours 🥱.  The term was apt.  Get over it.   

[myata]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

the butthurt whiners complaining about it. 

But of course! Did China or Russia say anything different? Right on the spot (totalitarian one).

Citizens came out against a protracted hands down policy by the government grossly infringing on their freedoms without any accountability. This is a democratic right. Not come out for 0.5 hour to wave flags in a remote safe area, Putin has that, but to come out in great numbers to the cities they own and see the overreach and abuse end; they understand it in Hong Kong and Iran. The point is not to shout and wave; the point is to end abusive policy and nothing less. Convoy understood it.

But clearly someone sees it very differently. They get to decide what is legal or not, not citizens (under a thin cover of quasi elections that change nothing and could not patently). And there can be only one conclusion: this is not a democracy. No, not a real functional one. No mechanisms, independent instruments and powers of accountability, very simple. Words don't make a democracy, no. Putin and China have all the pretty words.

Edited October 30, 2022 by myata

[Nefarious Banana]

Bill C-11 make your post, or this thread, or maybe this whole web-site illegal?  Justin and his crew of bobble-heads be sniffing around your bank accounts/investments/etc.?  

[myata]

6 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Bill C-11 make your post, or this thread, or maybe this whole web-site illegal? 

Sure, Putins have figured that one out. Judiciary"" approved.

[Dougie93]

18 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Trudeau seems unable to get the various police departments to take the blame...so to speak...as he expected them to. This is just making him more deranged as his most recent performances in the HoC demonstrate.

But I'm sure his few remaining diehard supporters think he's still got all his marbles.

so true

Trudeau is a complete & total nutjob

pathological lying psychopath

but what is even more crazy,

if how all the cowards, sycophants, cronies & traitors in the government & media rally around this lunatic

thing about Trudeau, he was always like this

like when he was a teenager and first appeared publicly

he immediately came off as a weirdo

like his entire persona, his personality, is so obviously fake

he's always had that creepy psychopath vibe about him

he doesn't relate to people, he thinks he's fooling people, with his phony persona

that's the mark of a psychopath, they are faking it, they are pretending

Edited October 30, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

18 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

More and more this is looking simply like Trudeau had a temper tantrum and the War Measures BS was him attacking his perceived critics and enemies.

the Liberals only chose Trudeau because he was the pretty boy son of PET

he had absolutely no qualifications, he had literally done nothing with his life

but they were so desperate after several pathetic leadership candidates, other complete fops like Ignatieff

they knew they could sell the Trudeau brand, so they went all in on the PET mythology

they were simply blinded to the fact that he was actually a creepy psychopath with a totally fake persona

then Trudeau & Butts simply made sure to pick cabinet ministers who were utterly weak & useless cronies

the caucus of the Liberal Party is nothing but cronies & sycophants, the party makes sure only they can run

but now its out of control, Trudeau is now destroying the Natural Governing Party brand itself

and there is nobody in the party who can stop him, they've created a monster, and he's wrecking their party

[Dougie93]

21 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The Fascist-style show trial will get the results it wants, ultimately. Witches will burn.

this is the most corrosive aspect

this is the thing which has destroyed my faith in Canada over the years

the institutions in Canada never result in any sort of accountability for public officials

even if this "commission" rules against Trudeau, it's meaningless

Trudeau can and will simply ignore the findings and carry on

the public officials are effectively above the law, there is no mechanism in Canada to hold them accountable

[Moonbox]

6 hours ago, myata said:

And there can be only one conclusion: this is not a democracy. No, not a real functional one. No mechanisms, independent instruments and powers of accountability, very simple. 

There are many conclusions that reasonable people can make.  This isn't one of them.  🙃

[Dougie93]

7 hours ago, myata said:

But of course! Did China or Russia say anything different? Right on the spot (totalitarian one).

Citizens came out against a protracted hands down policy by the government grossly infringing on their freedoms without any accountability. This is a democratic right. Not come out for 0.5 hour to wave flags in a remote safe area, Putin has that, but to come out in great numbers to the cities they own and see the overreach and abuse end; they understand it in Hong Kong and Iran. The point is not to shout and wave; the point is to end abusive policy and nothing less. Convoy understood it.

But clearly someone sees it very differently. They get to decide what is legal or not, not citizens (under a thin cover of quasi elections that change nothing and could not patently). And there can be only one conclusion: this is not a democracy. No, not a real functional one. No mechanisms, independent instruments and powers of accountability, very simple. Words don't make a democracy, no. Putin and China have all the pretty words.

democracy is a double edged sword

there is both liberal democracy & illiberal democracy

the original democracy in ancient Greece was illiberal

they voted by white ball or black ball dropped into a vase

hence the terms "blackballing"

that's the sort of democracy Canada has transformed into

the illiberal democracy where your rights are voted down by a mob

[myata]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

There are many conclusions that reasonable people can make. 

Reasonable people make conclusions based on facts and arguments of reason and logic. This is, factually, not one of them.

[myata]

24 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the illiberal democracy where your rights are voted down by a mob

Another similarity is that the ruling caste, though complying formally, had virtually unlimited slew of tricks, hooks and means to influence the vote. Looks very much like that kind of democracy. Just recall Covid scare pump - it was real and factual, 100%.

[Queenmandy85]

Whether the EMA was necessary will be determined by the Commission of inquiry. Regardless of that determination, the barbarians were removed frome the gates and none of this will rate a paragraph in future histories of Canada, because the convoy came, they violated the rights of thousands of citizens, and then the Police moved them out. 

 

[Dougie93]

Just now, myata said:

Another similarity is that the ruling caste, though complying formally, had virtually unlimited slew of tricks, hooks and means to influence the vote. Looks very much like that kind of democracy. Just recall Covid scare pump - it was real and factual, 100%.

indeed

and banishment as well

blackballing in ancient Greece generally resulted in being banished from the society

the original totalitarian Social Credit scoring

[myata]

One more time, and I'll keep repeating, the three pillars of Canadian quasi-democracy are:

1. Zero accountability of governments and public administrations.

2. Frozen political system in which meaningful change is simply impossible.

3. A culture of outrageous, out of and without any bounds or checks entitlement.

It looks quite a bit like a caste. Is it?

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, myata said:

One more time, and I'll keep repeating, the three pillars of Canadian quasi-democracy are:

1. Zero accountability of governments and public administrations.

2. Frozen political system in which meaningful change is simply impossible.

3. A culture of outrageous, out of and without any bounds or checks entitlement.

It looks quite a bit like a caste. Is it?

We actually have a pretty good system that evolves as necessary. You know a government system is functioning properly when you realize Prime Minister Harper's government would have done the same things as Prime Minister Trudeau's. At present, there does not appear to be a need for any "meaningful" change. We get the government we are willing to pay for. The main conundrum governments face is the fact that voters want all the government services but don't want to pay for them.

Edited October 30, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Another similarity is that the ruling caste,

I think the word you are looking for is "class", not "caste." 

[Nefarious Banana]

49 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 You know a government system is functioning properly when you realize Prime Minister Harper's government would have done the same things as Prime Minister Trudeau's. At present, there does not appear to be a need for any "meaningful" change. We get the government we are willing to pay for. The main conundrum governments face is the fact that voters want all the government services but don't want to pay for them.

Another Queenmandy85 assumption above.

Do you honestly believe that Prime Minister Harper would have refused to meet with the Freedom Convoy and try to work out a solution?  That Prime Minister Harper would have sniped the misogynistic, racial, and utterly un-called for comments that came out from Justin Trudeau?

There's two types of 'class' Queenmandy85 . . . . . 'first class' and 'no class,'   Care to guess which category your 'boy' falls into?

[myata]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

when you realize Prime Minister Harper's government would have done the same things as Prime Minister Trudeau's.

That would be p.2, thanks. The caste is happy whatever label it chose to stick on itself.

Edited October 30, 2022 by myata