WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/14/2022 at 11:24 AM, ExFlyer said: Who is "they"? Harper made Duffy a senator. Lavalin and WE may not have been in the debates but they sure were used by oppositions. No one forgot about them and they were talked about. Justin still won the elections. The G7 debacle was under Harper rule. Regardless, all irrelevant to this EMA hearing. The MSM, which constantly receives large sums of taxpayer money from Trudeau (the CBC received a $675M raise from Trudeau right after he won hs first election), plagued Harper with illegitimate criticisms about Duffygate for 3 years. They made it an election issue for 3 years. If something happened and you wanted to watch the news that night you had to endure 3 minutes of babbling about Duffygate every time. They'd open the show with brief highlights of all the stories of the day, starting with yelling and shouting from Trudeau and Mulcair, then their first story would be idiotic fluff, then they'd preview the Trudeau/Mulcair crap for "after the break, then they'd show the Duffygate BS, then they'd finally get around to stories that mattered. You're too young to remember it, but anyone who watched "news" on CTV or CBC between 2012-2015 was conditioned to believe that Duffygate was the biggest political scandal in world history. In the end, Duffy didn't even do anything wrong and it wasn't even a scandal at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The MSM, which constantly receives large sums of taxpayer money from Trudeau (the CBC received a $675M raise from Trudeau right after he won hs first election), plagued Harper with illegitimate criticisms about Duffygate for 3 years. They made it an election issue for 3 years. If something happened and you wanted to watch the news that night you had to endure 3 minutes of babbling about Duffygate every time. They'd open the show with brief highlights of all the stories of the day, starting with yelling and shouting from Trudeau and Mulcair, then their first story would be idiotic fluff, then they'd preview the Trudeau/Mulcair crap for "after the break, then they'd show the Duffygate BS, then they'd finally get around to stories that mattered. You're too young to remember it, but anyone who watched "news" on CTV or CBC between 2012-2015 was conditioned to believe that Duffygate was the biggest political scandal in world history. In the end, Duffy didn't even do anything wrong and it wasn't even a scandal at all. Well he overspent based on a residency claim and other nonsense, but it looks pretty quaint after hearing about the Gov General’s in-flight catering bill. These patronages often look like prizes for cronies. Of course when the recipients realize there’s actually accountability and work involved…. Harper wrote a good op ed on the weekend about having a committee for vetting GG candidates. He’s right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/14/2022 at 9:10 AM, ExFlyer said: You completely ignored what I said It was the logical thing to do in that moment. Quote Basically, I do not and could not care less about the past. People who choose to remain ignorant to history are condemned to repeat it. FYI, that's you, just in case you didn't notice. Leftists ignore all of Trudeau's similarities with Hitler because they think that fascism means "stuffing Jews into gas chambers", but fascism is a rolling menace that gathers a lot of steam before they get to that point. Trudeau's accusation that anti-vaxers are racists & misogynists and that they're unclean is right straight out of Hitler's hatemongering against Jews. It follows the script perfectly. Then he upped the ante to a gesundheitspass and open discrimination. He seized people's bank accounts, yet another blatant tribute to Adolf Hitler. He had police beat up protesters in the streets who had surrendered peacefully. He forced tens of thousands of people out of work if they didn't submit to his will. The only thing that stopped Trudeau is the fact that the Senate stepped up to put an end to his fascist lunacy. In 100 years senators just rubber stamped everything and then received massive pensions. It took Trudeau's fascism to make them actually get off their asses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Well he overspent based on a residency claim and other nonsense Did he really though? Quote "I filed my claims as the Senate rules provide, and was approved by Senate administration, and as Judge Vaillancourt agreed were valid," Duffy told CBC News in an email. Before the scandal broke in 2013, it had been widely known that Duffy, who represents Prince Edward Island, had lived in Ottawa for more than two decades during his time as a television broadcaster. Duffy's previous expense claims led to a criminal investigation, and he was charged with 31 counts of fraud and breach of trust. After a year-long legal saga, Duffy was found not guilty on all charges in a resounding victory issued by Justice Charles Vaillancourt. How bad of a look is it for our RCMP that Duffy was charged with 31 counts of fraud and breach of trust and they were all overturned? How could a judge all see it so differently? It just seemed like a witch hunt from the beginning. And in any event, there wasn't enough oomph in that accusation to keep up such a massive stink for years. $90K, really? Like I said, the WE scandal was over $900,000,000.00. It's several orders of magnitude higher, and there's even a trail of $500,000.00 to Trudeau's own mother. $900,000,000 $90,000 Literally 10,000 times as much money, an actual scandal where the finance minister had to resign, and Trudeau just got to say "I should recused myself". then the media stfu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Did he really though? How bad of a look is it for our RCMP that Duffy was charged with 31 counts of fraud and breach of trust and they were all overturned? How could a judge all see it so differently? It just seemed like a witch hunt from the beginning. And in any event, there wasn't enough oomph in that accusation to keep up such a massive stink for years. $90K, really? Like I said, the WE scandal was over $900,000,000.00. It's several orders of magnitude higher, and there's even a trail of $500,000.00 to Trudeau's own mother. $900,000,000 $90,000 Literally 10,000 times as much money, an actual scandal where the finance minister had to resign, and Trudeau just got to say "I should recused myself". then the media stfu. I agree. It just illustrates how bought our press is. Not really a free press. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) On 10/16/2022 at 11:13 AM, Aristides said: The Ottawa protesters were well past their best before date, they had made life miserable for the people of Ottawa for weeks, ignored court orders and broke numerous laws. It was time to go. <Ottawa> -> <Hong Kong>, <Canada> -> <China> Find one difference (soon). Seriously. Process does not give legitimacy. China has process. Every dictator can have at least a plausible imitation of a process. Democracy is not the process. But you forgot. Edited October 17, 2022 by myata 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, myata said: Democracy is not the process. If it’s not the process, then what is it? What gives our democracy legitimacy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: If it’s not the process It's not if. Dictators have process. Iran and Hong Kong have process. 14 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: What gives our democracy legitimacy? Conscious, active and voluntary participation of citizens. Short and without that, it wouldn't be possible to create independent of the governments checks, balances, and ultimately, accountability. Without accountability, I argue democracy cannot exist as a living entity, only a formal empty shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: They weren't doing anything wrong. They were protesting against fascist overreach by our government. One would think that would be appreciated in a western society. We all know what happened when fascism went unchecked in Germany. Maybe for a day or two. Not 3 weeks plus and pledging to continue on indefinitely. Godwin FTW BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, myata said: <Ottawa> -> <Hong Kong>, <Canada> -> <China> Find one difference (soon). Seriously. Process does not give legitimacy. China has process. Every dictator can have at least a plausible imitation of a process. Democracy is not the process. But you forgot. Much as I agree that our country went that way for most of the last few years, I guess that the Senate here actually wound up being a functional roadblock for our out of control PM. It appears that the people with the lifelong appointments actually still care for democracy more than they fear Trudeau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Much as I agree that our country went that way for most of the last few years, I guess that the Senate here actually wound up being a functional roadblock for our out of control PM. It appears that the people with the lifelong appointments actually still care for democracy more than they fear Trudeau. I would hope they care for democracy more than any PM. The Senate doesn't answer to the PM. They have no reason to fear him. Edited October 17, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Like the supreme court, the Senate has mandatory retirement at 75. Lifetime appointments are a US thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: The MSM, .....They made it an election issue for 3 years. ..... You're too young to remember it, but anyone who watched "news" on CTV or CBC between 2012-2015 was conditioned to believe that Duffygate was the biggest political scandal in world history. In the end, Duffy didn't even do anything wrong and it wasn't even a scandal at all. I am not too young. What I remember and know, is that Mike Duffy lived in Ottawa for over 30 years and in order to be a senator from PEI he had to get property there. So he bought a cabin. He still lived in Ottawa yet claimed he lived in PEI and got more money. There were several others as well and they got off too. Mac Harb and I cannot remember the other ones. The whole thing was a scam and it would have done too much damage to the senate to prosecute them. They all should have been punished. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDog Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 POTawa isn’t fit to be capital but I no longer care. Get Alberta out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: It was the logical thing to do in that moment. People who choose to remain ignorant to history are condemned to repeat it. FYI, that's you, just in case you didn't notice. ..... Logical to ignore facts? Typical. There is a big difference between not caring about the past and not knowing it. I am very cognizant of the past and its value. i am also very cognizant of past events that are a spitball in a lake, like the trucker debacle and not worth anything. Edited October 17, 2022 by ExFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) Just now, RedDog said: POTawa isn’t fit to be capital but I no longer care. Get Alberta out. Then f off LOL Your repetitiveness is gone rancid a long time ago. Edited October 17, 2022 by ExFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDog Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, ExFlyer said: Then f off LOL Not that easy. I want the money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, myata said: It's not if. Dictators have process. Iran and Hong Kong have process So all processes should be treated as equal? Why? Do you not think that Canada’s processes are superior to Iran’s? 20 minutes ago, myata said: Conscious, active and voluntary participation of citizens. Participation in what…. the processes? How many of the citizenry need to participate? 100%? 50%? 21 minutes ago, myata said: Short and without that, it wouldn't be possible to create independent of the governments checks, balances, and ultimately, accountability. Without accountability, I argue democracy cannot exist as a living entity, only a formal empty shell. These are all processes that you’re talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 minute ago, RedDog said: Not that easy. I want the money back. OK, pay for all the services you got and then you get the rest LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RedDog said: Not that easy. I want the money back. You would be very lucky to be able to take all the land with you…. And you’d certainly get your share of the national debt to take with you as well. You may even need to buy Canada’s share of the tar sands out upon leaving…. Edited October 17, 2022 by TreeBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 I lived in Alberta during the 70's. It was great and I like Albertans but they make it difficult at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDog Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: OK, pay for all the services you got and then you get the rest LOL Do you grasp math and the vast numbers involved? The world court has to be involved. You will lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDog Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Alberta has bought and paid for Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: It appears that the people with the lifelong appointments You don’t even know how the Canadian Senate operates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) Of course not, the entire convoy obviously didn't know how Parliamentary Democracy works either. Duhhh we'll hand this made up petition to the GG and the Queen will fire Trudeau... duhhh! edit - FFS they didn't know how anything works. We can't even enter the USA so let's march because we they won't let us back if we do... duhhhh Edited October 17, 2022 by herbie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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